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nicki
02-14-2010, 8:52 PM
Look at the bright side.

The Governors race will be an opportunity for us to make outreach to what would normally be our political opponents and work for a common goal, electing Jerry Brown.

Obviously key people hear know Jerry personally and that those people will put together their collective creativity to help Jerry trully be an effective governor and get this state back in order.

With Brown we have access, with Whitman, we are out in the cold.

Many liberals will get together to support Jerry and there will be phone banks and other campaign things we can get involved in.

I propose that we show up and be open as to who and what we are and say that we are supporting Jerry because he is the best choice for governor.

This is going to be hard for some of us to do because it means we will probably have to work with people who support legalizing pot, support gay marriage, support abortion, who are enviromentalists etc.

If we as individuals can be adults, work with this people, we have an opportunity to shatter stereotypes.

Meg Whitman is a so called "moderate republican", the short answer is she is a "Nanny Authoritarian".

The race will be close, by fall our gun lawsuits will be hitting the courts and gun rights will be a huge issue.

The Bay Area will support Jerry Brown inspite of his support for us because he is good on their other issues.

The Central Valley is not going to rally around a pro abortion, anti gun RINO.


Nicki

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 9:24 PM
I know this is off topic.... is that picture of you with Ron Paul? It is too small to really make it out.

wash
02-14-2010, 9:40 PM
As a person who believes he has no right to tell a woman what to do with her body, I'm disgusted by anyone who suggests that I am "Pro abortion" or support it.

As many pro-choice people might say, I am definitely against unwanted children but that's more about birth control and parenting than abortion.

It's always better to teach your kids to do the right thing than tell them what they can't do.

nicki
02-14-2010, 10:50 PM
As a person who believes he has no right to tell a woman what to do with her body, I'm disgusted by anyone who suggests that I am "Pro abortion" or support it.



If I offended you personally, I apologize.

That being said the Abortion issue is not a defining issue for me, but for many "Social Conservatives" it is a huge issue and most of those people make up a significant voting block of the Republican party.

The Right to Life makes up a significant single voter issue block within the Republican party. If they boycott her, that will represent a significant loss of votes for her.

The fact is Whitman is trying to buy the election and she is going to try to avoid the social issues like the plague.

Meg Whitman declared WAR on us, she banned anything related to firearms sales over on E BAY because she didn't feel the "gun culture" is appropriate.

The "Gun Culture" is why we have America.

Electing her Governor would be like electing Di Feinstein.

I am really curious to see what Meg's position is going to be on legalizing marijuana and gay marriage.

58 percent of Californians will vote yes at this time and few of those voters are Republicans.

I have a gut feeling that by 2010 election, voter support of prop 8 is going to shift.

Bet when it comes to personal rights, perhaps a better label for Meg Whitman would be "selective choice" rather than "pro choice" since she is "selective"on which rights she chooses to support.

If gun activists support Jerry and pro life people boycott Meg, it could make the difference in a close election.

Many on this board are going to support Jerry Brown for governor even though they disagree with him on other issues.

Nicki

VW*Mike
02-14-2010, 11:13 PM
Not all gun people are bible thumping red necks as the media tries to spin (appologies to our bible thumping redneck members) I support gay rights, a woman's right to choose, legalizing pot, and keeping the environment clean (with in reason, we aren't going to shut down 140K acres for a mouse on my watch or rape business in fees and regulations to operate in CA).

Gun rights are important, a VERY important issue to all of us. However, lets face it we have a lot worse problems in this state, albeit no less important then our Constitutional rights, but still, we have a HUGE budget short fall. Spending is almost THREE TIMES what it was when Pete Wilson had his budget shortfall while he was in office. Fleeing citizens and their tax dollars. Fleeing businesses. Liberals and their socialist policies and handouts, out of control environmentalists, decaying infrastructure, on top of the economy thats in shambles and thats going to get worse. I don't want to sound like an ***, but we have HUGE problems that need attention before we are past the point of no return and CA reverts to a bankrupt, crime ridden socialist state that firearm laws will be the least of anyones concerns.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 11:23 PM
Although I disagree with some of your politics, I just need to point out that I am glad your willing to share them here... and vehemently AGREE with where you think this state is going.... if only the weather and the beaches weren't so dang BEAUTIFUL, I might have left here a long time ago!

abusalim81
02-15-2010, 10:00 AM
No way in hell Im voting for Jerry Brown! He is as bad as Arnold and Davis!

Do some research about Brown and you will find out what kind of dirty politician he really is!

pitchbaby
02-15-2010, 10:04 AM
No way in hell Im voting for Jerry Brown! He is as bad as Arnold and Davis!

Do some research about Brown and you will find out what kind of dirty politician he really is!

I agree completely... so, what alternative did you have in mind?

bwiese
02-15-2010, 10:27 AM
No way in hell Im voting for Jerry Brown! He is as bad as Arnold and Davis!

Do some research about Brown and you will find out what kind of dirty politician he really is!

We've done some research. He's pro-gun. That's the only thing I vote on.

ravenbkp
02-15-2010, 10:54 AM
Jerry might be the closest thing to sane we have had in a Governor since RR all the same Hell no cannot do it! if its Meg vs Jerry I am voting for............................ mickey mouse!
Why the hell do republicans let people like her use them this way? she is a joke.

SKSer
02-15-2010, 10:55 AM
Please, we allready have 2,176 "for or against Jerry Brown" threads, If you are against Jerry Brown for Governer, then thats cool, but lets at least let this thread do what it is intended to do and not turn into the 2,177th "For or Against". It doesnt matter anyway, we are screwed with Meg or Jerry in one way or another, so it is another case of choosing the lesser of the two evils.

Zinalskavyan
08-04-2010, 8:05 AM
Corporate criminal activity on a massive scale is funding Whitman’s camapaign to become Governor of California.

She is the fourth wealthiest woman in the state of California with a net worth of $1.3 billion in 2010. most of it in Ebay stock.

Most of Whitman’s campaign financing comes from her stock in Ebay.

Ebay is only making money today as a result of massive criminal activity within it’s Paypal unit.

Without the ongoing massive theft of customers money via paypal Ebay stock price would have collapsed.

Whitman has to know about this.

The criminal activity dates back to her time as CEO. It has grown since she left.

Whitman resigned as CEO of eBay in November 2007, but remained on the Board and served as an Advisor to new CEO John Donahoe until late 2008.

Heres a small example of how Ebay stole money from consumers in 2004. This is just the tip of a very large iceberg;

“…In May, 2004, 17 thousand dollars was taken from my Paypal linked account, and an account linked to that one. It took weeks of work to track down the

source of the theft. The head of security of a major bank told me it was due to an inside job. a ring of Paypal employees, in five days, managed to steal

over $500,000 from paypal customers in Southern California alone…” http://www.paypalwarning.com/paypal_employee_theft

Fast forward to 2010; I just got ripped off by Ebay-Paypal for $6,000 in gold. A friend of mine just got ripped off for $25,000 in similar way.

Ebay was a $40 stock, now its a $20 stock and the only money being made is in its Paypal division.

Without the massive fraud by Paypal, Ebay stock would be in the pennies today and Whitman’s campaign would be bust.

HunterJim
08-04-2010, 8:47 AM
On my way to a pro-gun vote I tripped over Jerry's responsibility for unionizing public employees so they can make Democrat political contributions.

jim

Stonewalker
08-04-2010, 8:48 AM
Hey everyone, lets stay on topic in this thread. It isn't a Meg v Jerry thread, it's a 2A outreach thread. Those who don't support Jerry - don't comment unless you have ideas to add on how to better reach people who don't like firearms. This is specifically a strategy thread on how we can reach out to JB supporters.

We can show your run of the mill liberal that we aren't all the media has made us out to be. I think our single biggest common ground is going to be the Bill of Rights, something which Meg Whitman has not even mentioned in her campaign (as far as I know).

Look at the bright side.

The Governors race will be an opportunity for us to make outreach to what would normally be our political opponents and work for a common goal, electing Jerry Brown.

Obviously key people hear know Jerry personally and that those people will put together their collective creativity to help Jerry trully be an effective governor and get this state back in order.

With Brown we have access, with Whitman, we are out in the cold.

Many liberals will get together to support Jerry and there will be phone banks and other campaign things we can get involved in.

I propose that we show up and be open as to who and what we are and say that we are supporting Jerry because he is the best choice for governor.

This is going to be hard for some of us to do because it means we will probably have to work with people who support legalizing pot, support gay marriage, support abortion, who are enviromentalists etc.

If we as individuals can be adults, work with this people, we have an opportunity to shatter stereotypes.

Meg Whitman is a so called "moderate republican", the short answer is she is a "Nanny Authoritarian".

The race will be close, by fall our gun lawsuits will be hitting the courts and gun rights will be a huge issue.

The Bay Area will support Jerry Brown inspite of his support for us because he is good on their other issues.

The Central Valley is not going to rally around a pro abortion, anti gun RINO.


Nicki

FortCourageArmory
08-04-2010, 8:51 AM
Has anyone here wondered why a billionaire is spending millions ($10 million this year alone so far) to win a $250,000 a year job?

HunterJim
08-04-2010, 9:29 AM
The governor job is her practical factors for president.

jim

johnny_22
08-04-2010, 9:29 AM
Has anyone here wondered why a billionaire is spending millions ($10 million this year alone so far) to win a $250,000 a year job?

Did you leave out a "0"? I thought it was closer to $100 Million.

I am supporting Jerry. I have sent him money. I will be hanging a yard sign. Bumper stickers will be on my truck and car.

motorhead
08-04-2010, 9:34 AM
On my way to a pro-gun vote I tripped over Jerry's responsibility for unionizing public employees so they can make Democrat political contributions.

jim

deal killer for me as well. unions destoyed this state. they need to be crushed or at least neutered politically.

Window_Seat
08-04-2010, 10:01 AM
My reason for voting for a pro-2A candidate is that in order for a Government to infringe on all of the rights of the people, they must first (and always) infringe on the 2nd. It is then that they can begin to walk all over the people, taking all of their other rights. This is why California is ranked #4 in states that are the most restrictive.

This is why I am voting for JB. He put his money where his mouth was when he submitted an Amicus Curiae (http://www.chicagoguncase.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/california_cert_stage.pdf) favoring Incorporation in the McDonald v. Chicago case. Do you have anything on MW that indicates she is more pro than JB?

RvW is an issue that should be put to rest. IMO, RvW is an issue that the (R)s seem to use to escape from other important issues that could be of focus. Just like the (D)s seem to use GC as an issue to escape from other issues of importance to our quality of living, while quietly and discretely pushing for other measures restricting our way of life. Both sides of the aisle are guilty of this, and GC is the center cause.

Gay marriage & rights are something that we will soon have to accept. I'm willing to accept it so long as they are accepting of the Constitution. This is where the Pink Pistols of SF (http://www.pinkpistols.org/) comes in, and I encourage donating to their cause. Civil rights are civil rights.

Erik.

FeuerFrei
08-04-2010, 10:25 AM
On my way to a pro-gun vote I tripped over Jerry's responsibility for unionizing public employees so they can make Democrat political contributions.

jim

Absolutely right! People forget or were not around then and don't know what a nutcase JB really was/is.
MW will get chewed up and spat out like Arney did. Fail!
Why is it we always have to hold our noses and vote.
Meg and Jerry are both huge losers.
The wrong people are running the political table here and they ALL need to go!
Chicago politics have nothing on what we have running this sate.
CA state gov embodies corruption.
God bless California and keep her from crumbling apart before our very eyes.:rant:

Super Spy
08-04-2010, 10:42 AM
If it's a close election I'll vote for Brown, if it's not I'll vote for Chelene....Brown is better than Whitman, but that's not very difficult, a turd sandwich beats Meg.

KylaGWolf
08-04-2010, 10:49 AM
As a person who believes he has no right to tell a woman what to do with her body, I'm disgusted by anyone who suggests that I am "Pro abortion" or support it.

As many pro-choice people might say, I am definitely against unwanted children but that's more about birth control and parenting than abortion.

It's always better to teach your kids to do the right thing than tell them what they can't do.

Birth control isn't perfect though. And even IF we teach our children the right thing there is no promise they will follow the advice. Trust me on that one I raised my daughter right and still had a battle royal from the time she hit high school.

As to Brown while I am not crazy about some of his views....his pro choice stance is fine with me then again I am female and don't think the government has the right to tell me I cannot have an abortion if I as an adult chooses to do so although I probably never would. I did once but my reason was due to being assaulted.

KylaGWolf
08-04-2010, 10:51 AM
If it's a close election I'll vote for Brown, if it's not I'll vote for Chelene....Brown is better than Whitman, but that's not very difficult, a turd sandwich beats Meg.

Your not going to know if its close til after the polls close and the votes are counted. So quite frankly voting for Nightingale will be giving Meg more of a foothold and well Nightingale is a bit of a nutcase anyways.

KylaGWolf
08-04-2010, 10:54 AM
No way in hell Im voting for Jerry Brown! He is as bad as Arnold and Davis!

Do some research about Brown and you will find out what kind of dirty politician he really is!

You think Meg is going to be any better? Get serious. She has already been caught in several out and out lies before she is even elected. She has no qualms in taking away more of your second amendment rights here in CA if she elected. Oh and she never bothered to freaking vote for 28 years why would I trust her to do jack in favor of the state. Oh not to mention she outsourced a whole bunch of jobs for Ebay when she was in charge of it.

Wherryj
08-04-2010, 11:09 AM
No way in hell Im voting for Jerry Brown! He is as bad as Arnold and Davis!

Do some research about Brown and you will find out what kind of dirty politician he really is!

How does this differ from any other politician? I suppose that you can say that Whitman hasn't had the opportunity to drink from the trough of corruption so she wouldn't fit this discription yet.

I agree, however. One can't chose a politician based 100% on a single issue. I also don't take Brown at his word about the second amendment. I haven't seen him making sweeping changes to CA's gun laws during his career to date.

ZombieTactics
08-04-2010, 11:38 AM
As a person who believes he has no right to tell a woman what to do with her body, I'm disgusted by anyone who suggests that I am "Pro abortion" or support it. ...
As someone who believes that everyone has a right to their own life, I am disgusted by any position which uses unscientific, emotion-based rationalizations to "define away" the rights of a genetically-distinct human being (who has committed no crime except being conceived) to justify their summary execution as a matter of convenience.

Nature does not give us the choices we want, only the choices which are possible.

It is fortunate for all that this hot-button issue will probably be solved by scientific advances. It will be possible (as it almost is right now) to either guarantee that no conception takes place except when desired, and/or that no woman will ever have to carry an unwanted child to term, and that nobody must be killed in the process.

Lifeofahero
08-04-2010, 12:11 PM
No.. I won't let my morals and values be trampled on... sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Sgt Raven
08-04-2010, 6:19 PM
No.. I won't let my morals and values be trampled on... sorry if that hurts your feelings.

So you're not voting for the Whitless one? :TFH:

Letitrip
08-04-2010, 6:59 PM
Brown is getting my vote.

I believe that if liberals learn that Brown had the support of the pro 2nd community, many other closeted liberals in favor of gun rights may feel more comfortable being on our side.

Shotgun Man
08-04-2010, 7:15 PM
[...]
The Governors race will be an opportunity for us to make outreach to what would normally be our political opponents and work for a common goal, electing Jerry Brown.

[...]


Here's how you do it. You sidle up to those antis and say, "Isn't it great how JB opposed Prop. 8?" They'll start creaming in their pants. You say:

"You know, initially he defended Prop. 8, but after reflection he concluded that Prop. 8 was denying people of an inalienable right.

I'm hopeful that he shares the same beliefs about the 2A. You know how he wrote a brief in Heller, right?

Imagine if he feels the same way about gun owners as he does about same-sex couples. Wouldn't that be great. That's what I'm hoping."

J.S.Riesch
08-04-2010, 7:40 PM
We just witnessed demise of Prop 8 right before our own eyes. I am sure eventually it is going to make all the way to the Supreme Court. Wherever offended some of us might be I think it represent a unique opportunity in fight for our rights.
How is it relates to the issue at hands? Here is the answer: It is a personal rights issue and it does show how effective liberal’s methods are. Moreover, certainly their legal approach deserved to be study and learned by lawyers working on the side of second amendment.

What JB or Meg got in common with this? Jerry is old; he was in politics most of his life. Being a career politician, he is able to see writings on the wall when it comes to personal liberties. He understands, arguably quite well, that it is just a matter of time before our rights going be restored. Look around, it is not 1989 anymore. This was the only reason why he submitted an Amiscus Curae in McDonald case. This is why he did not commented on prop 8 defeat yet. Probably never will. He is too smart to expose himself to the attacks from right.
Meg on other hand is like Arnold. I will not trust her with my empty garbage can. These days they called it “moderates”. In reality, they are liberal’s masquerading as republicans. Where it leaves all of us this November? I can’t believe I am saying this but I will vote for less restrictive person there-JB.

Shotgun Man
08-04-2010, 7:44 PM
[...] I will not trust her with my empty garbage can. [...]

LOL. I'm gonna use that.

rhbanjo
08-04-2010, 8:53 PM
Isn't anyone here old enough or clear minded enough to remember what the hell Jerry Brown did to our state the LAST Time he was Governor?????? He was a liar then and I see no reason to believe he has changed! He conspired with Sheriff Hutchins (OC) to help her eliminate current CCW's and deny others. He and his buddies almost bankrupted California in the 70's with their endless thirst for more Tax revenue and he'll do it again. For craps sake he couldn't even run Oakland! Maybe Whitman isn't perfect but she's at least conservative and would try to reign in the spending and hopefully the corruption. Brown will be more of what we have now- the legislature wants to INCREASE car registration fees- again, raise income tax- again. Maybe we can invite old Meg to learn to shoot and handle a weapon. Changing her would be way more efficient than trying to bring Jerry Brown to the realization that the state is broke and we are screwed! There's a reason he was called Governor Moonbeam!!

Shotgun Man
08-04-2010, 9:56 PM
Isn't anyone here old enough or clear minded enough to remember what the hell Jerry Brown did to our state the LAST Time he was Governor?????? He was a liar then and I see no reason to believe he has changed! He conspired with Sheriff Hutchins (OC) to help her eliminate current CCW's and deny others. He and his buddies almost bankrupted California in the 70's with their endless thirst for more Tax revenue and he'll do it again. For craps sake he couldn't even run Oakland! Maybe Whitman isn't perfect but she's at least conservative and would try to reign in the spending and hopefully the corruption. Brown will be more of what we have now- the legislature wants to INCREASE car registration fees- again, raise income tax- again. Maybe we can invite old Meg to learn to shoot and handle a weapon. Changing her would be way more efficient than trying to bring Jerry Brown to the realization that the state is broke and we are screwed! There's a reason he was called Governor Moonbeam!!

You can't even talk a straight argument.

I'm plenty old. I remember (from history books) that JB governed in a time when a state education was venerable and cheap.

Meg Whitman is anathema to anyone who considers the 2A a crucial issue.

Legasat
08-04-2010, 10:02 PM
We (the people of CA), lose which ever one of these two gets elected.

So it's ANOTHER election where we have to choose between the lesser of two losers, even if there is only a dime's worth of difference between them on the "terrible" scale.

NightOwl
08-05-2010, 1:43 AM
I have a gut feeling that by 2010 election, voter support of prop 8 is going to shift.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/aug/04/proposition-8-gay-marriage-california

It was the first link on google, no preference to that as a source. Just sayin, prop 8 is over and done for.

Ford8N
08-05-2010, 4:56 AM
I am a one issue voter.

OleCuss
08-05-2010, 6:33 AM
To maybe get things back on topic?

If you support Whitman, maybe you should get involved in her campaign and let the others who are working for her know that you are a strong believer in the RKBA.

If you support Brown, maybe you should get involved in his campaign and let the others who are working for him know that you are a strong believer in the RKBA.

If you support Chelene - I sorta understand but if you get involved in her campaign I think you'd be a fool. Far too much opportunity to be damaged by Chelene's campaign - and unless half the state has brain hemorrhages she hasn't a chance of winning. As a protest vote she might be OK, but I'd recommend writing in Gene, bwiese, artherd, wildhawker, kestryl or someone else of that sort before considering voting for Chelene.

ZombieTactics
08-05-2010, 7:32 AM
I am a one issue voter.

I don't consider myself a one-issue voter, so far as any specific proposal or law. I do consider myself a one-issue voter in the sense that I believe the whole of what I choose to advance and defend centers around one statement:"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

It's not always easy to apply those words reasonably, but I submit that the 2A is central to the notion of an unalienable right to my own life, as it serves to enshrine the liberty to defend it and keep it.

Phouty
08-05-2010, 8:58 AM
Sorry for the slight OT, but someone sent it to me, and initially I've laughed my a@#$ off the chair. But after thinking for a while..... came reflection that maybe 'we the people' should start looking at political campaigns in different light?
Anyway.....enjoy!:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMCYAiSSnMk&feature=player_embedded

stix213
08-05-2010, 8:58 AM
I agree with Whitman on far more issues than Brown by far, and would normally vote for her if this were a normal election (as if there are any normal elections).

Thing is with McDonald, there is likely going to be several important CA gun laws struck down during the next Governor's term, and the anti's in the legislature will be wanting to replacement them quickly with more "common sense" violations of our constitutional rights.

This leaves a great opportunity for a pro-gun Governor to stop the anti's, so for the first time ever I am voting single issue for Brown.

bwiese
08-05-2010, 9:04 AM
Thing is with McDonald, there is likely going to be several important CA gun laws struck down during the next Governor's term, and the anti's in the legislature will be wanting to replacement them quickly with more "common sense" violations of our constitutional rights.

This leaves a great opportunity for a pro-gun Governor to stop the anti's, so for the first time ever I am voting single issue for Brown.

This says it all.

Yes, there will be Hail Mary legislative passes thrown up when laws get killed just because legislature wants to 'do something'. Having a 4yr or more period where they get bored and move on to another issue will make our lives easier and cheaper as we accumulate court wins.

Bhobbs
08-05-2010, 9:19 AM
We've done some research. He's pro-gun. That's the only thing I vote on.

To what extent? Approving AW bans like he said he does. He's pro gun enough not to ban bolt actions and single shots? Even the Brady Bunch supported the McDonald case because everyone knew where this was going. He was just a good politician trying to gain some points.

OleCuss
08-05-2010, 9:36 AM
To what extent? Approving AW bans like he said he does. He's pro gun enough not to ban bolt actions and single shots? Even the Brady Bunch supported the McDonald case because everyone knew where this was going. He was just a good politician trying to gain some points.

Oh, no. You don't know what all he's done.

Remember, he can't actually make laws go away or pass new ones as AG so the complaints some register on that score aren't valid.

But you have to take a look at how the DOJ has changed in personnel and function to understand JB on guns. A lot of stupid and evil stuff went away on his watch.

Remember that OLL were pretty well tolerated by him.

He is also a shooter himself. MSM has talked about how he shoots on his ranch.

Anyway, I've previously posted a non-comprehensive list of things he has done. You could argue that JB is California's RKBA MVP.