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nicki
02-14-2010, 8:02 PM
Sorry guys,

I screwed up and didn't hit mulitple choice.
Resubmitting poll.

If there is an edit function on polls after submitted, could someone please share "how to with me".

Computer skills are not my strength. Not an engineer.

Nicki

Cokebottle
02-14-2010, 8:08 PM
I believe there are specific restrictions on the carry of weapons at protest events.

At an event that appears to be (or in fact is) a protest, it would not be wise to UOC.

CitaDeL
02-14-2010, 8:18 PM
Possession of a firearm is only restricted while picketing during a strike- ie: a protest related to a refusal to work.

UOC is a form of protest...not a refusal to work.

choprzrul
02-14-2010, 8:25 PM
The Right People have their game plan in motion. I can find no fault with their actions to date, so why would we fragment our effort by deviating from their plan? When the correct combination of events transpire to necessitate this type of action, the Right People will rally us accordingly. We can ill afford to appear dirrectionless right now. We are, after all, only a week into this now. Let's exercise some restraint and patience.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 8:29 PM
The Right People have their game plan in motion. I can find no fault with their actions to date, so why would we fragment our effort by deviating from their plan? When the correct combination of events transpire to necessitate this type of action, the Right People will rally us accordingly. We can ill afford to appear dirrectionless right now. We are, after all, only a week into this now. Let's exercise some restraint and patience.

Agreed

Window_Seat
02-14-2010, 8:42 PM
I say no, let's not do that. It would be more detrimental to the process of addressing this issue correctly. CGF has an excellent letter (http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/East-Palo-Alto-CGF-Ltr-2010-02-12.pdf) to the EPA PD. We should at least give them a chance to respond first. It would be completely endangering upon themselves not to respond.

Erik; can wait (for now).

Alaric
02-14-2010, 8:47 PM
No, UOC will not help us, only hurt us, at this time.

nicki
02-14-2010, 9:26 PM
I agree we let the right people do things and if the "right people" get the "right response" from Palo Alto, then we don't have to take any action.

What I want to guage is how many of you are willing to step up and take action should the "Right People" get the "Wrong response".

I don't want to undermine what the "Right People" are doing, what I want to give the right people is a guage of how many of us will step up should they get the "wrong response".

A "Wrong Response" by EPA officials deserves an increased and timely response from us that will get their attention.

By the time we would have a UOC event, it would be over one month from the initial facebook posting.

Compared to other groups who hold protest rallies when "their rights" are violated, we are moving like "Geriatic Turtles".

If the EPA detective had made comments about "proning out Gays or Blacks", what do you think would be the reaction from either of those groups?

You know that the "Public Officials" here in the Bay Area are a bunch of
American in Name Only(Aino), Nanny Authoritarian(NA), Socialist Statists(SS)(ANASSes) and that we must engage in corrective actions not only on gun rights, but all rights eventually.

A UOC protest at EPA won't be worth the trouble unless we have a significant number of us show up, say at least 50 or more of us anyway.

The "right people" will need to give the green light anyway for this to work.

I brought up a UOC protest at EPA as what I see as the next step, but I am game to hear other options.

Nicki

ChuckBooty
02-14-2010, 9:58 PM
I agree that we need to protest. But NOT while UOC'ing. I keep saying it...we need to SEPARATE the UOC issue from Tuason. This isn't about UOC'ers. It's about a police officer who is willing to KILL citizens. It's about a cop (who made it to the rank of DETECTIVE) who lacks the professionalism, maturity, and smarts to work in law enforcement.

IMO separating the UOC issue from the Tuason issue will keep the media from saying stupid things like, "....a battle between the 1st amendment of a police officer, and the 2nd amendment of a handful of citizens". And it will keep the mayor from saying , "Uh...yeahIdon'treallylikewhathesaid, but I DON'T WANT PEOPLE CARRYING GUNS AROUND". So protest...but leave the UOC out of it!

MP301
02-14-2010, 10:30 PM
I agree that we need to protest. But NOT while UOC'ing. I keep saying it...we need to SEPARATE the UOC issue from Tuason. This isn't about UOC'ers. It's about a police officer who is willing to KILL citizens. It's about a cop (who made it to the rank of DETECTIVE) who lacks the professionalism, maturity, and smarts to work in law enforcement.

IMO separating the UOC issue from the Tuason issue will keep the media from saying stupid things like, "....a battle between the 1st amendment of a police officer, and the 2nd amendment of a handful of citizens". And it will keep the mayor from saying , "Uh...yeahIdon'treallylikewhathesaid, but I DON'T WANT PEOPLE CARRYING GUNS AROUND". So protest...but leave the UOC out of it!

You are 100% correct. This is not just about UOC. It goes way beyond that. It was triggered by UOC, but Tauson could have just as easily have been (and probably has) talking about anyone non LE with a gun.

I think Tauson's first amendment defense is really weak BTW, because his comment involved actions that would be "On Duty" and they could be considered a threat by many.

If CGF's letter fails to hit the mark because EPA is circling the wagons, then a peaceful demonstration without UOC may be warranted. Empty holsters or bananas or whatever, but no guns.

Why not? Well, since it would be twisted into something like " armed protesters confront police", it would not end well. Not to say there would be violence, but at the very least, the Media and legislature would crucify us and and set us back years. Incorporation yeah yeah... but everyone seems to forget that even if/when we get incorporation, we dont know how it will be interpreted and even then, the fight aint over until we win more lawsuits. The more BS laws we have to knock down, the longer it will take.

Anyone remember why OC has to be unloaded in CA in the first place? Remember the Blank Panthers marching on Sac with loaded guns? Do any of you want to be compared to the Black Panthers while you single handedly screw the pooch?

Ask the "right people" their opinion on this nicki. As another poster put it, we have not seen CGF do any wrong to this point, they have a great track record, so maybe we should listen to their opinion on something this important.

SJgunguy24
02-14-2010, 10:47 PM
I'm game but I also think guns would be a bad idea. I'd say lets all have constitutions in our holsters and hand out copies to everybody, officers included.

I Det. Tuason wants to prone out and shoot people exercising their second amendment what's next? Well lets look it up, hmmmm. Lemmie see here, there's the 19th amendment here. Will he prone out and shoot a woman attemping to cast her vote? What about a black or brown person? (15th amendment)

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 10:47 PM
I suggest doing what Nicki is saying, but without UOC.... instead.... just wear T-Shirts, or bring signs that say..... "I would be carrying my side arm, but I was afraid Rod might show up with his AR" or... "I don't look good in PRONE" ... or "I get furtive when I lay down"

OC4ME
02-15-2010, 7:31 AM
...what is the "right response"? No pronings? Det. Rod is out a job, in EPA anyway? What is the "right response"? The right response is changing the mindset of LEO's not politicians and politicians as cops (Chiefs and Sheriffs). The "right people"? They used to say that about black folks back in the day, heck still do.

I will concede that UOC'ers are the country cousin ya'll don't want to come to Thanksgiving supper. Stating that there are severe consequences for "inaction" on the part of EPAPD is like yelling "STOP or I'll yell STOP again".

davescz
02-15-2010, 8:16 AM
might want to change the title of this post to read Detective Roderick Protest. this is not about open carry, it is about roderick, his commnets and the police/city respounce thus far.

we diffinatly need to show up with signs, flags Bill of rights etc...

not only EPA city hall, but also we need one at the county governmnet center. that will get more publicity, EPA is basically a dead town, not very safe, crime ridden, so there will be little traffic to see the protest there.
Of course if the cops did their job instead of hasseling legal open carry folks, maybe EPA would be a nice town?

Window_Seat
02-15-2010, 8:56 AM
Don't prone me bro!:eek: Sorry I couldn't resist it.:)

Erik.

NorCalMama
02-15-2010, 10:10 AM
Like was said, if the "right people" decide to do the usual "internal review" and then wash their hands of it while there are no real consequences, then I'd say a protest would be wise... as long as there will be a large enough turn out. I think signs and gun related shirts or whatever would be good. What about empty holsters, or would that be pointless?

oaklander
02-15-2010, 10:14 AM
That is correct.

The Right People have their game plan in motion. I can find no fault with their actions to date, so why would we fragment our effort by deviating from their plan? When the correct combination of events transpire to necessitate this type of action, the Right People will rally us accordingly. We can ill afford to appear dirrectionless right now. We are, after all, only a week into this now. Let's exercise some restraint and patience.

steadyrock
02-15-2010, 10:32 AM
Like was said, if the "right people" decide to do the usual "internal review" and then wash their hands of it while there are no real consequences, then I'd say a protest would be wise... as long as there will be a large enough turn out. I think signs and gun related shirts or whatever would be good. What about empty holsters, or would that be pointless?

I think you misunderstand who "The Right People" refers to. It is not IA in the EPA PD. The Right People, are on our side.

steadyrock
02-15-2010, 10:33 AM
The Right People have their game plan in motion. I can find no fault with their actions to date, so why would we fragment our effort by deviating from their plan? When the correct combination of events transpire to necessitate this type of action, the Right People will rally us accordingly. We can ill afford to appear dirrectionless right now. We are, after all, only a week into this now. Let's exercise some restraint and patience.

Well stated, and I agree 100%.

pitchbaby
02-15-2010, 10:38 AM
I suggest doing what Nicki is saying, but without UOC.... instead.... just wear T-Shirts, or bring signs that say..... "I would be carrying my side arm, but I was afraid Rod might show up with his AR" or... "I don't look good in PRONE" ... or "I get furtive when I lay down"

I don't think anyone got the joke.... I mean com' on.... "I get furtive when I lay down"... I was laughing my ***** off when I typed that last night. Not only do I think that UOC is a bad prescription for the problems we are having... but wearing t-shirts like that.... that takes more guts than even I've got... LOL!

Choprzrul has it right, I have said it before... if you don't believe it... look up my previous posts... we all need to keep our heads and wait.