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pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 5:53 PM
Let's face it, it takes money to run a good campaign. It appears this lady has it in spades. I have seen the other posts, the poll, other commentary about the gubernatorial campaign, but I don't know (perhaps I missed it) that there has been any half way serious attempt to hash out what the 2A community could do to effect the vote (if at all).

At this point, I only even see 2 viable candidates that I think the people of California will even take a serious look at.

1. Meg Whitman (Cause she can put her money where her mouth is)

2. Jerry Brown (Cause he served once as governor and has catered well to his party base serving as attorney general)

Even for the rest of the big name candidates, I don't think they will be able to overcome the money or popularity of the two I've mentioned above.

Meg, no matter what she say's she is... she is a progressive, straight up. I have no doubt about it. I know I don't even have to bring up her stance on 2A... it doesn't exist!

Jerry, while having proven friendly to 2A issues in his current office.... he's a left wing democrat. I honestly don't think there is a majority of the people here that have an overwhelming love for left wing anything!

Regardless of either of their stances on RKBA, I don't feel these candidates are acceptable to a majority of what I might perceive to be our values as a whole.

Having stated all of these things, I now ask..... What are the alternatives? It is not enough to say that we will "write-in" a name. The question is, what can we REALLY do? Anything? Nothing? I have already come to terms with the fact that I live in a state where the legislature doesn't and will never care about me or my politics (Hardcore Conservative), but I feel like something could be done about a governor if someone with the right ideals and a little bit of guts would actually run.

Are there people in our community who have the kind of money it would take to finance a HEAVY TV campaign? Secondly, is there someone in our community with the guts and the background to look good against the current list of candidates (i.e. experienced biz pro's, attorney's, judges, etc...) If not for this election cycle, what about for the next one?

Again, I don't believe I have seen a forum here that has done anything more than stuck a finger into the wind to get a sense about the current players. I submit that the people of this community, along with other conservative groups need to find and finance a NEW player altogether! Is this even possible? Do we collectively (CGN and other conservative groups) have the guts to attempt it?

HowardW56
02-14-2010, 6:11 PM
Meg Whitman Commercials Give Me A Rash!

ChuckBooty
02-14-2010, 6:13 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this...but I think I have to vote for Brown. Has the world gone mad?!

KING_PALM
02-14-2010, 6:17 PM
i plan on voting for a sheriff in orange county and then not voting on anything else.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 6:17 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this...but I think I have to vote for Brown. Has the world gone mad?!

That's what I am getting at... we have heard all of us in here say that kind of thing before. I don't want the regular answers. I want to see if we can change the game.

I am a hardcore conservative and at this point, I think I would vote for Brown too just because I feel like I would know what I am getting with him. Whitman reminds me far too much of Obama.... promises all the right things, but ends up ruining everything once given the chance!

There isn't a suitable candidate, but what I want to know is... if we find the right power partners in the form of other conservative movement groups... could we find and finance the right candidate?

hill billy
02-14-2010, 6:41 PM
Sadly, I think Whitman is going to win. She has the money and is going to ride the wave of anti "D" sentiment into office.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 6:43 PM
If that happens Bro... you can kiss "Shall Issue" Goodbye... PERIOD! Can't WE do better?

Cokebottle
02-14-2010, 6:48 PM
Meg's commercials are practically identical to Arnold's 2003 commercials.

hill billy
02-14-2010, 6:49 PM
If that happens Bro... you can kiss "Shall Issue" Goodbye... PERIOD! Can't WE do better?

I read somewhere on here the other day that shall issue will only come through lawsuits and not legislation.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 6:50 PM
It doesn't have to be that way with the right governor

HowardW56
02-14-2010, 6:51 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this...but I think I have to vote for Brown. Has the world gone mad?!

I agree, unless a better candidate pops up, I'll be voting for Moonbeam...

hill billy
02-14-2010, 6:56 PM
It doesn't have to be that way with the right governor

I'd like to say I can speak intelligently about the matter. I doubt the Governor can do much with the current state of Ca's Assembly and Senate, though.

DougJ
02-14-2010, 6:58 PM
I'm thinking of a write in...

"None of the above"

Uxi
02-14-2010, 6:58 PM
I read somewhere on here the other day that shall issue will only come through lawsuits and not legislation.

I'd believe that.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 6:59 PM
I agree, unless a better candidate pops up, I'll be voting for Moonbeam...

Does anyone even have a glimmer of hope that with the help of other conservative groups and power players, that we could come up with a better candidate.....

Case in point.... We've heard it before, especially more so lately that "As California goes... So goes the nation". If the pundits and other players in the political stratosphere really believe this, why couldn't they help us find a better candidate out here? Example.... Sarah Palin comes out to rally support behind a hand picked heavy conservative candidate. Perhaps she is not the face that will win the hearts of Cali's on the fence, but I am sure there are others I am not thinking of at the moment who could pull it off.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 7:01 PM
I'd like to say I can speak intelligently about the matter. I doubt the Governor can do much with the current state of Ca's Assembly and Senate, though.

If you read any one of the many statements I have posted here.... you would know I feel exactly the same way, but it can also stall a crap load of BAD legislation as well.

You tell me, what is worse, a bunch of NEW and USELESS legislation, or 4 years of almost nothing changing because of butting heads? As for me, I'll take the latter!

hill billy
02-14-2010, 7:01 PM
My biggest concern with Brown is that he is a greenie and a lib at heart. Maybe he's matured fiscally with age but some of the crap he instituted with CARB and taxes is still bearing bad fruit.

hill billy
02-14-2010, 7:03 PM
If you read any one of the many statements I have posted here.... you would know I feel exactly the same way, but it can also stall a crap load of BAD legislation as well.

You tell me, what is worse, a bunch of NEW and USELESS legislation, or 4 years of almost nothing changing because of butting heads? As for me, I'll take the latter!

I agree with you. So which is worse, someone who is known to be a lib and declares as much but is trying to be more centrist, or someone who claims to be a conservative and is nowhere close?

Things aren't going to change much until we take out the Bass and Steinberg trash.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 7:07 PM
I agree with you. So which is worse, someone who is known to be a lib and declares as much but is trying to be more centrist, or someone who claims to be a conservative and is nowhere close?

Things aren't going to change much until we take out the Bass and Steinberg trash.

I choose to say BOTH are worse! That is why I submit to this forum the question.... CAN WE DO BETTER?

Still, nobody has attempted to comment on that question itself? Does that mean nobody believes it to be possible? Are we all just afraid to try? I am not saying I want it to be Calguns against the world. I am asking... is it possible to join forces with this and other conservative movements around the state AND THEN.... take on the "WHO TO CHOOSE" question.

6172crew
02-14-2010, 7:11 PM
Does anyone even have a glimmer of hope that with the help of other conservative groups and power players, that we could come up with a better candidate.....

Case in point.... We've heard it before, especially more so lately that "As California goes... So goes the nation". If the pundits and other players in the political stratosphere really believe this, why couldn't they help us find a better candidate out here? Example.... Sarah Palin comes out to rally support behind a hand picked heavy conservative candidate. Perhaps she is not the face that will win the hearts of Cali's on the fence, but I am sure there are others I am not thinking of at the moment who could pull it off.

I think your right but not this year. The guys working behind the scenes tell me Jerry B. has kept the doors open for us gun owners which is more than I can say about the clown in office.

hill billy
02-14-2010, 7:12 PM
I think your right but not this year. The guys working behind the scenes tell me Jerry B. has kept the doors open for us gun owners which is more than I can say about the clown in office.

I hate to be a one issue voter but guns and freedom surely top the list.:chris:

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 7:14 PM
I think your right but not this year. The guys working behind the scenes tell me Jerry B. has kept the doors open for us gun owners which is more than I can say about the clown in office.

I even said as much in an earlier post on this thread.... if not this election cycle, than what about 4 years from now?

As for the Jerry vs. Arnold issue... Oh ya brother... tell me about it!

Uxi
02-14-2010, 7:29 PM
You tell me, what is worse, a bunch of NEW and USELESS legislation, or 4 years of almost nothing changing because of butting heads? As for me, I'll take the latter!

Gridlock should be the goal in any representative democracy. Good laws should have an obvious consensus while overthrowing bad laws should be easier.

hockeeplayrr
02-14-2010, 7:54 PM
The sad thing is, is that she is the only one running ads. I have not seen any other candidates on tv. So she is the only person Californians are seeing. And you know darn well she will hook up with Fienstien (Frankenstien) to tighten the gun laws. And try to pass another assault weapons ban. As quoted by Fienstien " We are waiting for the right time to reinstate the assault weapons ban"

Capt. Speirs
02-14-2010, 9:02 PM
What about Steve Poizner, didn't Meg Whitman try to buy him out of the race, maybe he is the answer, certainly not Jerry Brown.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 9:08 PM
Poizner comes off as a progressive as well.... and worse yet.... nothing impressive in terms of any accomplishments in my opinion either. I work in the insurance industry and have been blatantly aware of his lack to do ANYTHING that either helps or hurts my industry. I fear he would be worse yet as a governor who would roll over to anything the legislature pushes on him. Only recently has he gotten remotely involved in laying the heavy hand of the commissioner.... I am certain it is because this is an election year.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 9:08 PM
Oh ya.... and PRO GUN CONTROL on Poizner too.... BLAH!

wash
02-14-2010, 9:21 PM
The Republican party is messed up. They are essentially selling a spot on the ballot to the highest bidder.

Everyone knows that a third party candidate doesn't really have a chance for governor so we've got a choice between bad and worse (although after seeing what Brown did with Oakland, he's probably as good as we could hope for in a Democrat and better than a RINO).

With evil sheep ads, no real political experience, a termed out ~Republican that isn't popular and Brown keeping his hands clean, I'm pretty sure Brown will win.

I'm going to vote Brown on the gun rights issue and to tell the Republican party that if they want my vote they have to give me better candidates than whoever shows up with the deepest pockets.

If you vote for a third party or write in, you have no chance of changing the result positively and the Republicans might not get the message.

Jerry Brown is the only ellectable candidate for governor with an acceptable second amendment record.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 9:29 PM
The Republican party is messed up. They are essentially selling a spot on the ballot to the highest bidder.

Everyone knows that a third party candidate doesn't really have a chance for governor so we've got a choice between bad and worse (although after seeing what Brown did with Oakland, he's probably as good as we could hope for in a Democrat and better than a RINO).

With evil sheep ads, no real political experience, a termed out ~Republican that isn't popular and Brown keeping his hands clean, I'm pretty sure Brown will win.

I'm going to vote Brown on the gun rights issue and to tell the Republican party that if they want my vote they have to give me better candidates than whoever shows up with the deepest pockets.

If you vote for a third party or write in, you have no chance of changing the result positively and the Republicans might not get the message.

Jerry Brown is the only ellectable candidate for governor with an acceptable second amendment record.

This is EXACTLY How I feel. Please note.... I NEVER suggested a third party candidate. I suggest a BETTER candidate. I admit, I took it for granted that it would likely be a republican. Third parties are great for taking a stand, but are a lost cause in my opinion in terms of getting someone elected. I have always felt that and would have to see a significant change far greater than what has happened in our nation lately to sway that opinion.

Having said that.... I still want to see a better candidate. If it comes to a vote this year with what we still have in front of us... I'll put it out there, I will probably vote for Jerry too.... but it would go against almost all logic and reason for me to do so.

wash
02-14-2010, 9:52 PM
The question is how can another Republican get on the ballot and who can we get that can win the ellection?

I can't think of any way that could work, well maybe if they resurected Ronald Reagan and cured his altzheimers but that's still kind of a long shot.

I'm just glad that Brown is the Democrat candidate, it could be a whole lot worse.

pitchbaby
02-14-2010, 9:58 PM
Yes, the logistics so late in the game have me worried as well. Which is why I brought up a 4 years from now scenario as well.... OH THE AGONY!!!

wash
02-14-2010, 10:30 PM
I fear that a true conservative Republican is a hard sell in California. Republicans need to steal some Democrat votes to win, Republicans just don't have the numbers to ellect a candidate without an unpopular Democrat incumbent or a horrible Democrat candidate.

There are just too many people that vote Democrat no matter what and the Republican party thinks that big campain budgets or cross over candidates are the way to win. I don't think any "conservative" candidate would want to spend millions on a job that pays as poorly as governor.

Hunt
02-15-2010, 8:28 AM
I can't believe I'm saying this...but I think I have to vote for Brown. Has the world gone mad?!

meg whitman is an elitist socialist that *hates* guns, she is on record as saying she loves the ideas of van jones!! Face it we are in the Socialist State of North Tijuana, Brown is our only hope at this time. Meg Whitman will have us all planting trees as government workers and impose draconian Hawaiin style gun control laws.

NorCalMama
02-15-2010, 8:37 AM
Regardless of who wins, be it Whitman or Brown, we will NOT see a pro RKBA Governor in office. It's not looking good at all. I'm writing in McClintock and praying for a miracle!

Mute
02-15-2010, 8:48 AM
No governor can help CA much as long as the same oxygen thieves control our legislature. At best, a good governor can fend off all the stupid crap that passes for laws and policies generated by those crooks in Sacramento.

GunNutz
02-15-2010, 9:30 AM
How many years has she lived in PRK? I thought she was ridiculous right off the bat, with her top 3 things to focus on (duh) but not offering any approaches/solutions. Now, she is out there lying when the truth would serve her just as well. Talk to Meg? No, thanks. Meg is the suck.

bwiese
02-15-2010, 9:31 AM
What about Steve Poizner, didn't Meg Whitman try to buy him out of the race, maybe he is the answer, certainly not Jerry Brown.

Steve Poizner self-destructed.
Hell, all the decent


And "certainly not Jerry Brown"?

He's done a lot for gunnies. Gun rights don't have an R or a D after their name. Those *****ing about him are apparently regurgitating Rep. propaganda; his mayoralcy in Oakland was quite indistinguishable from that of a pro-biz, anti-crime Republican surrounded by a far-left City Council.

dixieD
02-15-2010, 9:49 AM
Gridlock should be the goal in any representative democracy. Good laws should have an obvious consensus while overthrowing bad laws should be easier.

I like this, and it is so true. The system is ridiculous when there are 400+ bills per year, and only 260 work days.

Merle
02-15-2010, 10:30 AM
Had a car drive with someone (2 hours to Sacramento) and Meg came up. I had a hard time enumerating why she was bad (personal experience w/ helping her company offshore technical jobs was about it) and an even tougher time identifying a viable alternative (always been told not to criticize unless you can offer alternatives).

I can't see supporting her, but there are no other really good alternatives.

Why did I and others leave CA? Jobs and taxes. If she can increase the former and decrease the latter, then she's viable. But her other politics stink.

Hunt
02-15-2010, 10:47 AM
... But her other politics stink.

she is a Van Jones Big Gov't Socialist, she will do what she can to transfer wealth to the oppressed as reparations and outlaw free enterprise because it harms the environment and minorities. It's hilarious she uses Pete Wilson as an endorser as if that gives her conservative credentials, he was one of the biggest crony fascist we ever had. Wilson was the pointman as San Diego Mayor to lead the Sanctuary City movement and a key player in creating the undocumented worker, economic refugee class. These people are not the friends of Freedom they are Big Gov't Elitist Crony Socialist.

UBFRAGD
02-15-2010, 10:48 AM
What a surprise--another election where we can't get excited by the candidates and are just voting for the least-offensive.

Seems like McClintock could steal this election with a simple ad---
"I'll fire everybody who doesn't do their job, I won't let the working class be subjected to further excessive taxation, and I won't let special interests of any type get in the way of economic recovery and prosperity for citizens."

So pitchbaby, what do you think of McClintock? I've heard him speak off-the-cuff a couple times and he seems decent......

Merle
02-15-2010, 10:50 AM
It's hilarious she uses Pete Wilson as an endorser as if that gives her conservative credentials, he was one of the biggest crony fascist we ever had. Wilson was the pointman as San Diego Mayor to lead the Sanctuary City movement and a key player in creating the undocumented worker, economic refugee class. These people are not the friends of Freedom they are Big Gov't Elitist Crony Socialist.

Yeah, I actually heard that commercial when I was in SJ last week. I wondered how much he got paid to endorse her. It did not appear increase her credentials nor popularity when I heard him speak.

Hunt
02-15-2010, 10:58 AM
Yeah, I actually heard that commercial when I was in SJ last week. I wondered how much he got paid to endorse her. It did not appear increase her credentials nor popularity when I heard him speak.Pete Wilson's endorsement has motivated me to not vote for MW for sure.

Cokebottle
02-15-2010, 1:26 PM
And "certainly not Jerry Brown"?

He's done a lot for gunnies. Gun rights don't have an R or a D after their name. Those *****ing about him are apparently regurgitating Rep. propaganda; his mayoralcy in Oakland was quite indistinguishable from that of a pro-biz, anti-crime Republican surrounded by a far-left City Council.
On this one issue... yes.

But Brown is no less a socialist than Obama.
I lived through Brown's first turn as Governor in the late 70s and witnessed him piss away our budget surplus.
The handout programs that have created the problems that we have today were mostly started or significantly expanded under his administration.
He handed Deukmejian a nightmare, who, like Arnold, papered over the problem which forced Wilson into some tough choices that he still regrets.

Jerry's dad was decent. He and Reagan built a strong state. Solid educational system to support the baby boomers, aquaduct, highway projects.... These were all investments in the future of the state that have been a benefit to every resident of this state.

Sorry... but it looks like this is going to be yet another election where I'll be voting for the Libertarian.

pitchbaby
02-15-2010, 2:08 PM
So pitchbaby, what do you think of McClintock? I've heard him speak off-the-cuff a couple times and he seems decent......

The honest to goodness truth is that I think Tom McClintock would be a WONDERFUL Governor. Perhaps there are even enough people in this state to vote for him given the turn of the tides in politics... who knows... the thing though that keeps me from thinking he would be a shoe in... even if there was a massive change in the political mind of Californians is that he is too intense on camera. He does not appear to be friendly.... I think this quality makes him come off as a snob.... I don't personally think that of him, but I would imagine other people do.

If he can relax on camera, and come off as a friendly guy, I would love to see him run and would be very excited about him getting elected.

Cokebottle
02-15-2010, 3:02 PM
I really like Tom.
I think he's the best thing we've got going, and I was unhappy that he was termed out and moved to Washington... we need him in Sacramento where he can be a bigger fish in a smaller pond, rather than a junior representative among almost 500 people in DC.

That said, he still comes off somewhat as a "used car salesman"... I don't know what it is about him... whether it's his look, or the fact that every time he opens his mouth, it is EXACTLY what I want to hear.
My concern would be if the political tide changes, he might change with it.

timdps
02-15-2010, 3:31 PM
So if all the anti-Brown folks vote Libertarian/Independent/whatever and Whitman gets elected...?

Something about cutting noses...?

Cokebottle
02-15-2010, 4:00 PM
So if all the anti-Brown folks vote Libertarian/Independent/whatever and Whitman gets elected...?

Something about cutting noses...?
And if everyone continues to vote for the "lesser of the two evils" things will never change.

The Republican party needs to know that they have lost my support for the Gubernatorial and Presidential races.
I'm not going to support socialists.

97F1504RAD
02-15-2010, 4:59 PM
I saw my first Meg commercial the other night and it scared the bejeesus out of me because based on her BS ad my guess is she is going to appeal to many and I fear she may in fact be elected.

But to answer your question I say No I do not think we could get a nice conservative elected as there are simply to many fruit cakes in this salad we call California

chris
02-15-2010, 5:26 PM
this state has no chance of change at all. the politicians are entrenched and will not allow anything to be done. Meg Whitman does have some great ideas but it will FAIL period. with the way people vote in this state vote nothing will be done to fix this state.

it is my hopes that this state goes into utter bankrupcty and dies. it deserves to die and we the people to suffer from it since we elected this fools in office this the government we deserve.

and no this state cannot do better with any politician they all talk out of their 4th point of contact! that is their A** for those that don't know it.

sorry i have no faith in any politician doing anything other than screwing us all.

and yes i know we have redistricting to look forward too but will it do anything?

97F1504RAD
02-15-2010, 5:30 PM
The politicians of this state have and will continue to regulate the life right out of it.

chris
02-15-2010, 5:31 PM
The politicians of this state have and will continue to regulate the life right out of it.

every sinlge day the state does just that.

ErikTheRed
02-16-2010, 1:15 AM
I understand perfectly well that this is CalGuns, and therefore, many people looking at the possibilities of our next governor are focusing on 2A issues. Makes logical sense. Jerry Brown keeps coming up as the "logical choice" based on his satisfactory record of gun support. As far as thats concerned, I agree-- he's probably (sadly) the best choice from those which we have to choose. HOWEVER, in this economic disaster, another liberal progressive is NOT THE ANSWER. Sure, gun rights are vital. But so are jobs. So is money. So is a mortgage, rent, a car payment, food, or an electric bill. A vote for Brown, while maybe a sensible choice in defense of gun rights, will only lead to higher taxes, higher unemployement, less business, more environMENTAL restrictions, more illegals, more social programs, and on and on and on with more of the same radical liberal schemes that got this state (and now the Nation) in the mess its in. As much as I cherish and defend my Constitutional rights, particularly the Second Amendment, I will not vote for Jerry Brown. I need a job, a roof over my head, food for my kids, and money for shoes and toilet paper. Jerry Brown will just make those essentials even more difficult, and eventually, impossible. I refuse to vote for socialism, even if it comes cloaked in a pro-2A package.

97F1504RAD
02-16-2010, 6:37 AM
I agree with that completely Erik and it sometimes amazes me how many on this board hammer the unions and bash on union members that follow blindly based on the unions recommendations to vote, Yet here many are following blindly based solely on the 2A issue.

By the way I loved th dig on the EnvironMENTAL

Doug L
02-16-2010, 6:52 AM
...what can we REALLY do?...

...Are there people in our community who have the kind of money it would take to finance a HEAVY TV campaign? Secondly, is there someone in our community with the guts and the background to look good against the current list of candidates...

pitchbaby,

So far, the best idea (and it is a good idea) this discussion has come up with is:

Tom McClintock + a whole lot of $$$$$$$$

Unfortunately, the campaign finance "reform" movement has completely rigged the system, by limiting individual controbutions.
Now, about the only people who can effectively finance a campaign are multi-millionaires, and those with union money.

oddball
02-16-2010, 7:05 AM
Sure, gun rights are vital. But so are jobs. So is money. So is a mortgage, rent, a car payment, food, or an electric bill.

I acknowledge that Brown recognizes the 2A as an individual right and has not gone after firearms during his tenure as AG, but I have no real confirmation of his take on AWBs, magazine capacities, shall carry status, etc. I guess we have to trust him on firearms related issues.

What I don't trust him on is his stance on illegal immigration, public money for "global warming", and his appeasement of SEIU, and other public unions. In other words, a lot of the same stuff that has been dogging this state for years. His lawsuit against the City of Pleasanton (they capped development, essentially of Section 8 housing) leaves another personal mark against him.

But Meg Whitman is intolerable as a Republican candidate. I can't stand her.

pitchbaby
02-16-2010, 8:46 AM
It honestly sickens me to even consider Brown as an option. However, with him we know what we will get. Meg on the other hand is like a ticking time bomb of fresh progressivism. The more I learn about that platform, the more I realize, they've only just begun... And for all I think I know about them, I'm more afraid of what I might not have figured out yet!

johnny_22
02-16-2010, 8:53 AM
On this one issue... yes.

But Brown is no less a socialist than Obama.
I lived through Brown's first turn as Governor in the late 70s and witnessed him piss away our budget surplus.
The handout programs that have created the problems that we have today were mostly started or significantly expanded under his administration.
He handed Deukmejian a nightmare, who, like Arnold, papered over the problem which forced Wilson into some tough choices that he still regrets.

Jerry's dad was decent. He and Reagan built a strong state. Solid educational system to support the baby boomers, aquaduct, highway projects.... These were all investments in the future of the state that have been a benefit to every resident of this state.

Sorry... but it looks like this is going to be yet another election where I'll be voting for the Libertarian.

I also lived through Jerry's first Governor terms. Maybe it was the fact I was young, but, all I remember is having a job, having enough money to buy cars and boats, and enjoying life. Jerry did not mess up my day-to-day life. Prop 13 took care of most of the local government's money grabs.

Hunt
02-16-2010, 9:13 AM
[QUOTE=ErikTheRed;3814321 I need a job, a roof over my head, food for my kids, and money for shoes and toilet paper...[/QUOTE] Between JB and MW , MW is more likely to make these very things you need more difficult to acquire by any number of foolish schemes. Think of ebay and PayPal customer invading the personal, economic and private part of your life. Flavor all that with Van Jones and cohorts in the background. Brown as Gov wouldn't be much better imo, but at least it will be less resistence in part in recovering our civil rights.

bld0121
02-16-2010, 9:13 AM
Is there anyone with $$$$$$$$$$ that is NOT progressive, or supports the progressive movement? If so, they'll have my vote and support for the gubernatorial race as they do for the senate race (Chuck DeVore).

. . . Idea: Get someone with $$$$$$$$ to clone DeVore, and have the "twin" run for Governor.

Hunt
02-16-2010, 9:20 AM
Is there anyone with $$$$$$$$$$ that is NOT progressive, or supports the progressive movement? If so, they'll have my vote and support for the gubernatorial race as they do for the senate race (Chuck DeVore).

. . . Idea: Get someone with $$$$$$$$ to clone DeVore, and have the "twin" run for Governor.

conservative governor is unelectable in a State that has a majority of socialist as citizens. The best thing that can happen to California is epic Fail so it can start over with hindsight, it's just a matter of time.

bld0121
02-16-2010, 10:29 AM
Am I to assume that we're just at "FAIL" as a state and have not yet reached the "EPIC" part yet? (I thought it was already epic . . . guess the sheeple don't have the same definition of epic as this guy)

Glock22Fan
02-16-2010, 11:16 AM
Don't get me wrong, in almost every respect, I like Tom McLintock as well as any one else. However, and this doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet HE IS NOT OUR FRIEND ON RKBA. Same, or similar, camp as Meg on guns.

I'm kinda horrified at the thought myself, but I suspect I will be voting for Gerry Brown. Mainly because I begrudge every inch lost for the RKBA, as I think that any such ground will be hard to regain, whereas some of the leftie nonsense will be easier to overturn.

And those of you who plan not to vote, or plan to vote for some no-hoper on the grounds that he/she would be fantastic if only the rest of us would vote for them, are, in my book, dangerously deluded. Unfortunately, the rest of us don't deserve what your lack of tactical voting know-how might bring us.

hnoppenberger
02-16-2010, 11:19 AM
voting for brown is throwing the state in the trash he is a scum bag. he will ban all guns too.

Glock22Fan
02-16-2010, 1:29 PM
voting for brown is throwing the state in the trash he is a scum bag. he will ban all guns too.

We have some people like you, whose background and authority to say things like this I am unaware of, and then we have some people I know well enough to respect who say the opposite.

If you want to convince me, you will have to do better than this, and lay off the ad hominem attacks.

zchen
02-16-2010, 3:06 PM
When it comes to RKBA, I don't care for which party the candidate is from. I will only vote for the one that represent my interests and has the best chance to win; and that person appears to be Jerry Brown.

Hunt
02-16-2010, 5:39 PM
America has become a strange place, a place where you have to pay to keep your rights and those that take your rights away are called public servants.

Skidmark
02-16-2010, 6:15 PM
When it comes to RKBA, I don't care for which party the candidate is from. I will only vote for the one that represent my interests and has the best chance to win; and that person appears to be Jerry Brown.
I stand ready to contribute to his campaign - he'll need our support, as Whitman will outspend him 10-1. The CA Governor's office should not have a "Buy it now" option...

1859sharps
02-16-2010, 6:41 PM
it's way, way early in the game. Meg is spending a lot to get known. she is trying to tap into the anti incumbent, anti business as usual feelings. regardless of if she is nor not, she is working to come across middle of the road with just a touch of fiscal conservatism.

It will be interesting to see if her strategy pays off. I doubt she will have an easy time of it once the campaign season really gets going. even though she can tap that anti incumbent feeling, she is an "outsider" to politics. we just went a term in a half with an "outsider" and we are no better off. that's going to be hard to counter when she goes up against a Jerry Brown who actually has some experience running a government and his ads kick in with that message.

Cokebottle
02-16-2010, 9:13 PM
I also lived through Jerry's first Governor terms. Maybe it was the fact I was young, but, all I remember is having a job, having enough money to buy cars and boats, and enjoying life. Jerry did not mess up my day-to-day life. Prop 13 took care of most of the local government's money grabs.
I remember getting up at 4am to get into the gas line while my dad ate breakfast and hopefully the station still had gas by the time I (or he) got to the pumps so he could go to work.

This was after he had been laid off for over 9 months.

pitchbaby
02-16-2010, 9:19 PM
I remember getting up at 4am to get into the gas line while my dad ate breakfast and hopefully the station still had gas by the time I (or he) got to the pumps so he could go to work.

This was after he had been laid off for over 9 months.

I'm not a fan of Brown either... but wasn't the oil crisis on a national scale?

Cokebottle
02-16-2010, 9:26 PM
I'm not a fan of Brown either... but wasn't the oil crisis on a national scale?
CARB regulations worsened the problem here, just as they have every time there has been a price spike.

Don't forget that Brown sued the Fed EPA to get them to allow California to implement Arnold's "global warming" emissions standards.

KylaGWolf
02-16-2010, 9:34 PM
i plan on voting for a sheriff in orange county and then not voting on anything else.

It is voters like that let the morons get in office in the first place. If you don't vote you don't have a right to complain when things are not to your liking.

pitchbaby
02-16-2010, 9:57 PM
Don't forget that Brown sued the Fed EPA to get them to allow California to implement Arnold's "global warming" emissions standards.

So True!

Rob454
02-17-2010, 4:02 AM
I woudl vote for M W simply because if she is a s fiscally responsible as she claims she will be the better choice. Especially if she can turn the economy in this state around.

Glock22Fan
02-17-2010, 8:07 AM
It is voters like that let the morons get in office in the first place. If you don't vote you don't have a right to complain when things are not to your liking.

+1000000 You tell them, Kyla!

Glock22Fan
02-17-2010, 8:10 AM
I woudl vote for M W simply because if she is a s fiscally responsible as she claims she will be the better choice. Especially if she can turn the economy in this state around.

You must be joking! That won't happen with the current representatives sitting in Capital Hill, Sacramento. Ahnold, whatever his faults, would be far more fiscally responsible if he was allowed to be.

chessknt
02-17-2010, 8:27 AM
You must be joking! That won't happen with the current representatives sitting in Capital Hill, Sacramento. Ahnold, whatever his faults, would be far more fiscally responsible if he was allowed to be.

Well the governor can refuse to pass an irresponsible tax-laden budget. Ahhnold chose not to exercise his power last year and we got hit with the tax tsunami as a result.

We need someone with balls who doesnt give a **** about what the media thinks/says/spins about them to tell our legislature to stop jerking each other off and actually fix our broken state. Reducing taxes, environmental regulations, and enforcing immigration laws would be an excellent starting point.

Matt@EntrepriseArms
02-17-2010, 9:09 AM
Do not be fooled by Jerry Brown. You may think he is 2A friendly, but I think the is only as friendly as he thinks he needs to be in order to get elected. This guy is a professional politician, and thinks long term.

I don't care for Meg either, but she might be the lesser of two evils.

Hunt
02-17-2010, 5:07 PM
office should not have a "Buy it now" option... dream on, our Liberty has a price on it unfortunately

Uxi
02-17-2010, 5:14 PM
I was trying to give Jerry Brown some consideration. Then saw how the rest of his hideous politics and put the state in the condition it's in (he practically single handedly gave all the public employee unions their power for starters) and his 'climate change' politics make me wanna puke. I like my guns, but not willing to cut my nose off to spite the rest of my face.

Hunt
02-17-2010, 6:53 PM
I was trying to give Jerry Brown some consideration. Then saw how the rest of his hideous politics and put the state in the condition it's in (he practically single handedly gave all the public employee unions their power for starters) and his 'climate change' politics make me wanna puke. I like my guns, but not willing to cut my nose off to spite the rest of my face.I think the same as you maybe this time I'l vote principle "Libertarian" instead of lesser of 2 evils. we really have no options here in CA.

Hunt
02-17-2010, 6:55 PM
It is voters like that let the morons get in office in the first place. If you don't vote you don't have a right to complain when things are not to your liking.

to a point look at the RNC and who they give us!:eek:

Cokebottle
02-17-2010, 8:44 PM
I woudl vote for M W simply because if she is a s fiscally responsible as she claims she will be the better choice. Especially if she can turn the economy in this state around.
Problem is, Sacramento won't allow it.

Look back to 2003. Take Arnold's campaign ads and substitute Meg's voice and face... the 2010 commercials are re-runs of Arnold's 2003 commercials.

popeye4
02-17-2010, 10:05 PM
Meg Whitman's ads are the same old, tired Republican lines from the same playbook they've been running to for decades. She's for jobs, against taxes, against welfare. So what. I've been hearing that line for 30 years and nothing changes. She's talking like she'd have carte blanche to do as she pleases; sorry, that ain't the case. The governor has to be a persuader, not a dictator. The legislature has more power than most want to give it credit for, and this crop of legislators will chew her up and spit her out.

There is more to running a government than there is to running an online auction site. Sorry, but California isn't a corporation and quite frankly, I'd hate to see it run as one (speaking as one who has been embedded in corporations for most of his entire professional life). Yes, it needs to be sustainable; we have killed (or severely injured) the goose that lays the golden eggs, but I really like being able to breathe deeply without choking and drink water that doesn't poison me. For instance, the state hasn't ground to a halt necessarily because of environmental regulation per se, it is because the system is set up to let any crackpot interfere in the process at many stages of the game. If you have to get 40 permits to build a project, and ONE PERSON gets to monkey wrench the process for EACH ONE, it takes a lifetime to get anything done. That really happens..... (And yes, I remember gas lines in New York and New England back in the 70s, it wasn't Jerry Brown's fault).

So does Meg Whitman stand a chance in hell of fixing any of this? Give me a break. I've been a lifelong conservative, but the CA Republican party long ago abandoned its conservative roots. It is unfortunate, but they just aren't a viable alternative these days as a conservative organization. Jerry Brown at least knows how government works (or doesn't) and I'm HOPING that he's mellowed a bit with age (I know I have). His RKBA stance is as good as any of them; he's actually carried the water for us. But I also see him as being the only one on the scene who isn't a certifiable crackpot (hello, Gavin) or a corporate hack. He seems to be the closest thing we have to adult supervision in Sacramento, which is a rather sorry statement on its own. Since the Dems are going to control the legislature, he might actually have a better chance of getting them to do something useful, or at least do less harm.

I hope this state can pull its head out of that dark place before it is too late, but I fear it may already be too late. This place may have to crash and burn before it rebuilds, and I'd rather see a Democrat ride it down in flames than a Republican/conservative. They have, after all, been driving this train and might as well get credit for the wreck.

OK, that's enough of a rant for tonight! :chris:

pitchbaby
02-17-2010, 10:40 PM
Meg Whitman's ads are the same old, tired Republican lines from the same playbook they've been running to for decades. She's for jobs, against taxes, against welfare. So what. I've been hearing that line for 30 years and nothing changes. She's talking like she'd have carte blanche to do as she pleases; sorry, that ain't the case. The governor has to be a persuader, not a dictator. The legislature has more power than most want to give it credit for, and this crop of legislators will chew her up and spit her out.

There is more to running a government than there is to running an online auction site. Sorry, but California isn't a corporation and quite frankly, I'd hate to see it run as one (speaking as one who has been embedded in corporations for most of his entire professional life). Yes, it needs to be sustainable; we have killed (or severely injured) the goose that lays the golden eggs, but I really like being able to breathe deeply without choking and drink water that doesn't poison me. For instance, the state hasn't ground to a halt necessarily because of environmental regulation per se, it is because the system is set up to let any crackpot interfere in the process at many stages of the game. If you have to get 40 permits to build a project, and ONE PERSON gets to monkey wrench the process for EACH ONE, it takes a lifetime to get anything done. That really happens..... (And yes, I remember gas lines in New York and New England back in the 70s, it wasn't Jerry Brown's fault).

So does Meg Whitman stand a chance in hell of fixing any of this? Give me a break. I've been a lifelong conservative, but the CA Republican party long ago abandoned its conservative roots. It is unfortunate, but they just aren't a viable alternative these days as a conservative organization. Jerry Brown at least knows how government works (or doesn't) and I'm HOPING that he's mellowed a bit with age (I know I have). His RKBA stance is as good as any of them; he's actually carried the water for us. But I also see him as being the only one on the scene who isn't a certifiable crackpot (hello, Gavin) or a corporate hack. He seems to be the closest thing we have to adult supervision in Sacramento, which is a rather sorry statement on its own. Since the Dems are going to control the legislature, he might actually have a better chance of getting them to do something useful, or at least do less harm.

I hope this state can pull its head out of that dark place before it is too late, but I fear it may already be too late. This place may have to crash and burn before it rebuilds, and I'd rather see a Democrat ride it down in flames than a Republican/conservative. They have, after all, been driving this train and might as well get credit for the wreck.

OK, that's enough of a rant for tonight! :chris:

Tell me how you really feel.... LOL!

Thanks for the post, I truly understand how you feel.

popeye4
02-18-2010, 11:34 AM
Tell me how you really feel.... LOL!

Thanks for the post, I truly understand how you feel.

I won't hold back next time..... ;)

HUTCH 7.62
02-18-2010, 11:37 AM
Megs commercials are effective in getting your attension. every time I see an obama PSA I change the channel