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hoffmang
02-13-2010, 2:43 PM
Why does it not surprise..

It turns out that she shot and killed her 18 year old Brother in the 1980's but political connections kept her from being prosecuted. The felon ban can't work if you don't convict people...

I suggest clicking through for the links: http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/killer-socialist-professor-amy-bishop-shot-killed-her-brother-in-1986/

Amy Bishop shot and killed Gopi K. Podila, Maria Ragland Davis and Adriel Johnson, all professors in the Department of Biological Sciences at the University of Alabama’s Huntsville campus, yesterday after a meeting on tenure.

AL.com is now reporting that this socialist professor also shot and killed her 18 year-old brother during an argument in 1986.

A Massachusetts police chief is now saying that UAH shooting suspect Amy Bishop shot and killed her brother during an argument, and the case may have been mishandled by the police department more than two decades ago when the fatal shooting occurred.

The Boston Globe reported that Amy Bishop, a biology professor at UAH who is accused of shooting and killing three colleagues yesterday, accidentally shot her 18-year-old brother, Seth M. Bishop, in the abdomen with a 12-gauge shotgun in December 1986.

The report said Bishop was asking her mother, Judith, how to properly unload the gun when it when off and a shot struck Seth.

Braintree Police Chief Paul Frazier is now offering a different account of the shooting to The Globe: “Bishop had shot her brother during an argument and was being booked by police when the police chief at the time ordered the booking process stopped and Bishop released to her mother,” the paper reports on its Web site. Records from the case have been missing since 1987.

Bishop shot at her brother 3 times.

UPDATE: Police released Bishop in 1986 after they received a call from district attorner William Delahunt, now Rep. Delahunt.
The Boston Channel reported:

Braintree officers who remember the 1986 shooting said that former police Chief John Polio dismissed detectives from the case and ordered the department to release Amy Bishop after a telephone conversation with former district attorney William Delahunt.

Delahunt is currently a U.S. congressman from Massachusetts.

When contacted Saturday, Polio, now 86, said that there was no cover up in Seth Bishop’s death, though there were questions about whether the shooting was an accident.

Hat Tip Mrs. Davis

More… Bishop’s mother was in politics on the town Board of Personnel in 1986 at the time of the shooting.


ETA: The police report (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/22558993/detail.html) has just shown up and was linked in a post below and may change some of the implications of the reporting above.

-Gene

SLYoteBoy
02-13-2010, 2:45 PM
wow.

wildhawker
02-13-2010, 2:49 PM
How very disgusting.

Vtec44
02-13-2010, 2:55 PM
I can't wait to read the Brady Campaign's spin on this....

six10
02-13-2010, 2:59 PM
And the official police report of the "incident" has been missing for over twenty years:
The suspect in the Huntsville shooting, Amy Bishop had been involved in a shooting incident in Braintree, Massachusetts in December of 1986. I located the Day Log from December of 1986 and found that the incident had occurred on December 6th. After finding the report number I looked in our archived files for the report. I was unable to locate the report.

Officer Ronald Solimini informed me that he wrote the report and said that I wouldn’t find it as it has been missing from the files for over 20 years. He said that former Police Chief Edward Flynn had looked for the report and that it was missing. He believes this was in 1988.

From here:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/statement_from_32.html

GaryV
02-13-2010, 3:01 PM
Hopefully this gets more exposure. Delahunt's very actively antigun, so it'd be great if this can be lain at his feet.

The Director
02-13-2010, 3:30 PM
She "accidentally" shot at her brother three times??

Theseus
02-13-2010, 3:34 PM
She "accidentally" shot at her brother three times??

Maybe it was an automatic shotgun?

7x57
02-13-2010, 3:34 PM
OK, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, but nobody shoots someone three times by accident with a manual action. Maybe it's theoretically possible for someone with no gun-handling skills to bump-fire a semi-auto three times that way, but in that case it would not stay on target--both the recoil and the surprise reaction would ensure that. Has to be murder.

What I still want to know is what motivated the chief? With what we have so far the investigating officers must surely have "known too much," in crime fiction lingo.

There is also something weird and sick about the fact that her mother appears to have been a witness. I wonder if what happened is that the mother, as the only witness, insisted on the accident story to keep her surviving child out of jail and the police just decided they couldn't convict?

Still doesn't quite fit, but so far nothing does.

ETA: Should have clicked on Gene's excellent links. She assaulted someone as she fled the scene, political connections--yah, can't be anything else really.

7x57

7x57
02-13-2010, 3:46 PM
Heh, heh, heh. if Delahunt's seat wasn't in play before, it is now. :43:

7x57

Buckeye Dan
02-13-2010, 4:09 PM
Apparently she didn't shoot her brother 3 times:
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/22558993/detail.html

hoffmang
02-13-2010, 4:39 PM
Now that's an odd police report...

-Gene

7x57
02-13-2010, 5:02 PM
Now that's an odd police report...


The writer was not sufficiently skilled in the writing of fiction, perhaps? :p

Drudge now links to a NY Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/us/14alabama.html?hp):


A Previous Shooting Death at the Hand of Alabama Suspect

By SHAILA DEWAN and LIZ ROBBINS

HUNTSVILLE, Ala. — The neurobiologist accused of killing three colleagues at the University of Alabama in Huntsville on Friday fatally shot her brother in 1986 in suburban Boston, the authorities in Massachusetts confirmed Saturday.

Early Saturday, the police in Huntsville charged the neurobiologist, Amy Bishop, 45, with capital murder in the shootings Friday during a faculty meeting that also left three people wounded. On Saturday afternoon, the police in Braintree, Mass., announced that Ms. Bishop had fatally wounded her brother in their home 24 years ago, which The Boston Globe first reported on its Web site on Saturday. Ms. Bishop was not charged and the case records were no longer available, said Paul Frazier, the Braintree police chief.

“The release of Ms. Bishop did not sit well with the police officers,” Chief Frazier said in a statement, “and I can assure you that this would not happen in this day and age.”


I said there must be investigating officers who knew more. Why ever might the officers have been displeased? Because they knew a killer was let loose, perhaps?


He said that Ms. Bishop had fatally shot her brother, Seth Bishop, in an apparent argument, contradicting the police account at the time, which said it was an accident.

Chief Frazier said that he had spoken with Officer Ronald Solimini, who was on duty at the time of that shooting. At a news conference on Saturday, the chief said that the original account had been inaccurate. The Globe reported that while he was reluctant to use the word “cover-up,” Chief Frazier said it did not “look good” that the detailed records of the case have been missing since 1988.

In 1986, The Globe quoted John Polio, the Braintree police chief at the time, as saying that Ms. Bishop, then about 20, had asked her mother, Judith, how to unload a 12-gauge shotgun. While Ms. Bishop was handling the weapon, it fired, hitting her brother in the abdomen, according to the Globe’s account.

Chief Frazier said in his statement that Officer Solimini “remembers that Ms. Bishop fired a round from a pump-action shotgun into the wall of her bedroom. She had a fight with her brother and shot him, which caused his death. She fired a third round from the shotgun into the ceiling as she exited the home. She fled down the street with the shotgun in her hand. At one point she allegedly pointed the shotgun at a motor vehicle in an attempt to get the driver to stop.”


No normal person keeps screwing around after an AD, so it's hard to imagine the shooting wasn't intentional. No normal person racks the slide again and shoots the ceiling after a real accidental shooting either.

Can you say "a danger to self and/or others"? She had no business being near firearms.

I will bet that there was plenty of chaos in her life before this happened that indicated she was not safe with a gun. I suspect momma has some responsibility here.


Another officer, Timothy Murphy, seized the shotgun, and Ms. Bishop was handcuffed and transported to the police station under arrest, Chief Frazier said.

He said that he had spoken with the person who had been the booking officer at the time, who recalled getting a phone call “he believes was from then Police Chief John Polio or possibly from a captain on Chief Polio’s behalf” to stop the booking process. Ms. Bishop was released into the custody of her mother, and the two left the police station via a rear exit, Chief Frazier said.

But Mr. Polio, 87, reached at home on Saturday, called even the suggestion of a cover-up laughable and said that the case had been handled lawfully. He said that he remembered there being a shooting and recalled that Ms. Bishop and her brother were “horsing around.”

“Everything was done that should have been done under the circumstances,” Mr. Polio said in a phone interview. “She was questioned, and then turned over to her mother. The determination was made that we were going to turn the inquiry over to the district attorney.”

The district attorney at the time was William Delahunt, a Democrat, who is now a Congressman. A spokesman for Mr. Delahunt said he was traveling in Israel and could not immediately be reached.

Twenty-four years after her brother’s death, Ms. Bishop, a grant-winning scientist and mother of four, is now charged with murder. If convicted, she would be eligible for the death penalty in Alabama.

The shootings on the university campus opened a window into the pressure-cooker world of biotechnology start-ups, where scientists often depend on their association with academia for a leg up. Ms. Bishop was part of a start-up that had won an early round of financing in a highly competitive environment, but people who knew her said she had learned shortly before the shooting that she had been denied tenure at the university.

On Friday, Ms. Bishop presided over her regular neuroscience class before going to an afternoon biology faculty meeting on the third floor of the Shelby Center for Science and Technology.

There, she sat quietly for about 30 or 40 minutes, said one faculty member who had spoken to people who were in the room. Then Ms. Bishop pulled out a 9-millimeter handgun and began shooting, firing several rounds before her gun either jammed or ran out of ammunition, the police said. At least one person in the room tried to stop Ms. Bishop and prevent further bloodshed, said Sgt. Mark Roberts of the Huntsville Police Department.


Well, to be fair and all, faculty meetings are the sort of think that makes one want to shoot, though normal people mostly just want to shoot themselves to make the agony end. :D

Will continue in next post....

7x57

Big Jake
02-13-2010, 5:12 PM
Figures that the state of Massachusets would drop the ball on this one!

7x57
02-13-2010, 5:12 PM
Continued....


After Ms. Bishop left the room, the police said, she dumped the gun — for which she did not have a permit — in a second-floor bathroom. The people left behind barred the door, fearing she would return, the faculty member said.


She didn't, huh? Is one required in Alabama? Perhaps they just mean a CCW, but I'm always suspicious of the media inserting mentions of unregistered guns when none was needed just to accustom the public to the idea that they must be required.


Ms. Bishop was arrested outside the building minutes later, Sergeant Roberts said at a morning news conference on Saturday.

The 911 call came at 4:10 p.m., the authorities said. Few students were in the building, and none were involved in the shooting, said Ray Garner, a university spokesman.

Officials said the dead were all biology professors: G. K. Podila, the department’s chairman, who is a native of India, according to a family friend who answered the phone at his house; Maria Ragland Davis; and Adriel D. Johnson Sr. Two other biology professors, Luis Rogelio Cruz-Vera and Joseph G. Leahy, as well as a professor’s assistant, Stephanie Monticciolo, were at Huntsville Hospital. Mr. Cruz-Vera was in fair condition; the others were in critical condition.

Mr. Garner said Ms. Bishop, who arrived in the 2003-4 academic year, was first told last spring that she had been denied tenure. Generally, the university does not allow professors to stay on after six years if they have not been granted tenure, and this would have been the final semester of Ms. Bishop’s sixth year.

The university does have an appeals process, and people who knew Ms. Bishop said she had appealed the decision.

Ms. Bishop was quick to talk about her tenure worries, even to people she had just met. A businessman who met her at a technology open house in January, and who asked not to be named because of the close-knit nature of the science community in Huntsville, said, “She began to talk about her problems getting tenure in a very forceful and animated way, saying it was unfair.”

“She seemed to be one of these persons who was just very open with her feelings,” he said. “A very smart, intense person who had a variety of opinions on issues.”


Uh, oh. Being smart, intense, and opinionated is a sign of incipient homicidal rage? I want a second opinion.... :chris:


Ms. Bishop may have had academic problems, but her business prospects seemed good. She and her husband, James Anderson, had invented an automated system for incubating cells that was designed as an improvement over the petri dish. The system was to be marketed by Prodigy Biosystems, which raised $1.2 million in capital financing.

“From the way it looked to us, looking from the outside, she’s had success,” said Krishnan Chittur, a chemical engineering professor. “I’ve been here longer than she has, and she’s had more success raising money than I’ve had.”

Mr. Chittur said Ms. Bishop was a respected scientist who nevertheless had trouble getting along with colleagues. As members of the biotechnology program, students have to pass core classes in biology, chemistry and chemical engineering. But Ms. Bishop became convinced, he said, that the chemical engineering professors were trying to keep biology students from succeeding by making the classes too difficult.


Biology students complaining about their quantitative classes? This is news? Maybe if it *wasn't* happening....


“It was one of those things that ultimately became irrational with her, in my opinion,” he said.

Ms. Bishop was also a critic of a new policy to require freshmen and sophomores to live on campus, and was involved in an effort to censure the university president, David B. Williams, over that and other policies, according to Richard Lieu, a Distinguished Professor of Astrophysics at the University who sits on the faculty senate.

She was not the only vocal protestor. Last month, the censure vote failed, 20 to 18.

“I don’t believe this is related,” Mr. Lieu said in a telephone interview.

Andrew Ols, a senior, said he had been in a biology laboratory in the Shelby Center less than five minutes before the shooting began. Knowing now that a faculty member was charged and that no students were injured or targeted, he said, “there’s more shock than there is fear.”

Kourtney Lattimore, a sophomore nursing student, had classes with both Mr. Leahy and Ms. Bishop this semester. Mr. Leahy, she said, was very passionate about teaching. On Wednesday, he used students as stand-ins for a live demonstration of how macrophages and T-cells interact. She said Ms. Bishop’s class, Anatomy and Physiology II, caused grumbling and complaints, in part because there was so much material to cover.

“She might have been aware that people were frustrated with the class, but I don’t think she knew how to do it differently,” Ms. Lattimore said. She said she tuned out during Ms. Bishop’s lectures and stories, but added, “She was really passionate about her research — that’s something we all knew, that she really loved to do her research.”


Not committing a capital crime is never really taught as a vital skill in continuing to do research, but I think it's just *assumed* that people can figure it out.....


Caitlin Phillips, a junior in the nursing program, took two courses with Ms. Bishop as a sophomore. Ms. Phillips said Ms. Bishop was “very socially awkward with students” and never made eye contact during personal conversations.

Students brought complaints about Ms. Bishop’s tests to Mr. Podila, the chairman of the biology department, as well as to a dean, “numerous times,” and included a petition, Ms. Phillips said.

On Ms. Bishop’s faculty Web page, she listed several of her academic publications, many of which had to do with her interest in the role of nitric oxide in the central nervous system. She also said she was developing a neural computer that used living neurons taken from adult stem cells and the cells of bony fish and enriched with nitric oxide.

Ms. Bishop and her husband, who was questioned by the police on Friday, have four children.


I really didn't want to know that. :(


David Karabinos, the chairman of BizTech, a Huntsville mentoring company that helped Ms. Bishop and her husband develop the incubation technology, described her “as a passionate person in general — about the research and her activities as a professor.”

He said the members of the business technology group were all shocked by the events of Friday afternoon.

“There was no hint of what happened,” Mr. Karabinos said in a telephone interview. He acknowledged that Ms. Bishop had mentioned her tenure situation, saying she had been “very nervous about it over the last several months.”


7x57

Seesm
02-13-2010, 5:26 PM
Wow this lady sounds like a train wreck. Did not gte her way with her tenure and I suspect did not get her way years ago with whatever the deal with her brother. RIP to him.

For some reason the idea it was some crazy lady is easier to swallow than some crazy guy.

But truly if not a gun some other tool would have been used.

Terrible tragedy ...RIP all that died.

Please remember bad people do bad things with whatever they can find.

SJgunguy24
02-13-2010, 5:45 PM
Of course after all of this evidence, the Brady bunch will say it's the guns fault.

Wow.......just wow

yellowfin
02-13-2010, 8:04 PM
I guess this little tidbit never came up at her job interview.


As far as Alabama licenses go, no license to own, but you do need one for transportation outside your own property for the most part. That's how they explained it to me. $20 a year and they'll check your background pretty thoroughly but very little hassle on your end, the form is a single page, and they take your picture on pickup after a week or less. It really makes CA and NY's processes obviously excessive. I'd say almost 100% certain they didn't get the psycho lady one. Being from Massachusetts is legally considered insanity in Alabama.

CSACANNONEER
02-13-2010, 8:30 PM
I had to stop reading the police report when I realized that I am too stupid to have been an LEO back then. I just can't figure out several things. The best one is that the mother, let's call her "Judy" since her real name has been officially blacked out on the report, stated that she did not hear any shots come from upstairs since the house is virtually sound proof. But, somehow Amy heard her brother walk into the house while she was in her upstairs bedroom. Also, the officer's apparent lack of proper firearms nomenclature makes it extremely hard for me to understand anything about the firearm. What the hell is "the bottom casing" and how does it unscrew?

Side note, I'm sure glad that I don't live in Mass. At least here we still aren't issued Firearms Identification Cards to own firearms!

dantodd
02-13-2010, 11:47 PM
What the hell is "the bottom casing" and how does it unscrew?

It's the shoulder thing that goes up. But be careful they'll be illegal in.....

Buckeye Dan
02-14-2010, 12:16 AM
I think the reports I supplied are from the state police who arrived on the scene. As I understand it they aren't the arresting officers. They responded, took their requirements of the report and left it in the hands of the arresting officers. In Mass I think this would have been left to the city police. Possibly the county sheriffs dept. From everything I can gather those record/records are the ones that are lost.

domeshotjuan2
02-14-2010, 12:53 AM
um i only got 2 shots one upstairs in her room and then the one that fataly wounded her brother downstairs. am i missing one? i thought it was 3 ? and what kind of person with no knowledge of firearms, has 1 accidental discharge and then picks it back up and takes it downstairs. and im pretty sure she would have had to chamber that 2nd round aswell. theres just too many odd statements in that report.

CCWFacts
02-14-2010, 8:03 AM
Wow. So some corrupt cops let an obviously crazy woman get away with fratricide. Two decades later, she's no less crazy, and her colleagues can probably see that she's nuts and should not have tenure, so she goes on another shooting spree.

And of course guns are at fault!

RobG
02-14-2010, 8:04 AM
When contacted Saturday, Polio, now 86, said that there was no cover up in Seth Bishop’s death, though there were questions about whether the shooting was an accident.

:rolleyes:

Billy Jack
02-14-2010, 8:26 AM
Amy Bishop was a role model to the Feminist Liberal movement and it distresses me to see her reputation has been once again been brought into question.

She was at a faculty meeting where she was proudly displaying her new weapon to colleagues when it accidentally discharged multiple times. She was not familiar with the safety as she had not possessed a weapon since a shotgun she was making 'safe' in her home discharged 3 times killing her brother 20 years ago.

We can learn many things from this tragedy.

Liberals are in desperate need of firearm safety training.

Tenure hearings should be conducted in the nude so weapons can not be smuggled into the room.

If you are not familiar with firearms it is good to have a political friend who is also the District Attorney.

Why do the people of Massachusets keep electing fools and criminals to public office? Barney Frank, Ted 'Mary Jo' Kennedy, Representative Delahunt? What is with that?

Billy Jack

GaryV
02-14-2010, 8:38 AM
I think the reports I supplied are from the state police who arrived on the scene. As I understand it they aren't the arresting officers. They responded, took their requirements of the report and left it in the hands of the arresting officers. In Mass I think this would have been left to the city police. Possibly the county sheriffs dept. From everything I can gather those record/records are the ones that are lost.

From what I've seen on the news, those state police reports were done several months after the incident, and are based only on information given at that time to the state officer by the local PD. In other words, long after any potential cover-up would have been refined, the local PD gave the sanitized version to the state police. The actual reports of the officers at the scene, and the initial interviews, are missing.

While the state police report says two shots, the local PD is saying three - with a pump shotgun. The state report also says that she had an earlier argument with her father, but the local PD says that it was later with her brother. The local story is that she also took the shotgun with her, threatened a driver with it, and was eventually disarmed at gunpoint by local officers.

Purple K
02-14-2010, 8:59 AM
Negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter charges, at a minimum, would seem appropriete for the death of her brother.

B Strong
02-14-2010, 9:23 AM
Sometimes justice isn't only blind, it's deaf and dumb as well.

B Strong
02-14-2010, 9:24 AM
Amy Bishop was a role model to the Feminist Liberal movement and it distresses me to see her reputation has been once again been brought into question.

She was at a faculty meeting where she was proudly displaying her new weapon to colleagues when it accidentally discharged multiple times. She was not familiar with the safety as she had not possessed a weapon since a shotgun she was making 'safe' in her home discharged 3 times killing her brother 20 years ago.

We can learn many things from this tragedy.

Liberals are in desperate need of firearm safety training.

Tenure hearings should be conducted in the nude so weapons can not be smuggled into the room.

If you are not familiar with firearms it is good to have a political friend who is also the District Attorney.

Why do the people of Massachusets keep electing fools and criminals to public office? Barney Frank, Ted 'Mary Jo' Kennedy, Representative Delahunt? What is with that?

Billy Jack

BJ - you should write for The Onion.

FeuerFrei
02-14-2010, 9:29 AM
I guess they should have given her tenure.
Wasn't this a gun free zone too? How odd that the law didn't work...again.

Grumpyoldretiredcop
02-14-2010, 11:03 AM
Now that's an odd police report...-Gene

You can say that again. Reads as though the report were dictated by Captain Buker.

7x57
02-14-2010, 11:17 AM
We can learn many things from this tragedy.

Liberals are in desperate need of firearm safety training.


I guess only a government program could possibly address such a need. :D


Tenure hearings


I think it just said "faculty meeting," different thing.


should be conducted in the nude so weapons can not be smuggled into the room.


Nooooooooooooooo! :shock:

Billy Jack, I suspect I've been around more university faculty than you, and let me assure you that there are few things more horrifying than the thought of nude faculty meetings. We all have a duty to the Republic to resist such a thing with every means at our disposal. :chris: :38:


Why do the people of Massachusets keep electing fools and criminals to public office?

Everybody is more comfortable voting for one of their own? :D

7x57

six10
02-14-2010, 11:33 AM
This report which so conveniently surfaced yesterday is either a second or subsequent report to the lost original, because the original (lost) report was written by Officer Ronald Solimini, and this "newly discovered" report was written by Trooper Brian L. Howe. Hmm...

nick
02-14-2010, 12:02 PM
Why do the people of Massachusets keep electing fools and criminals to public office? Barney Frank, Ted 'Mary Jo' Kennedy, Representative Delahunt? What is with that?

Billy Jack

Well, that's easy to understand. You wouldn't vote against your lord or lady, would you? You peons have no idea of how feudalism works :)

7x57
02-14-2010, 12:18 PM
Well, that's easy to understand. You wouldn't vote against your lord or lady, would you?


I guess we should accept an expert opinion on the subject. :D


You peons have no idea of how feudalism works :)

That's Mister Rifleman Citizen Peon to you, aristocrat. :43:

An Australian friend tells the story of being in full pike & musket kit at a RenFair like event when the local media came around. After getting their fill of the guys in ironware talking about knightly honor and so forth, they came to him and asked "well, so what are you then?" Our man replied "we're the blokes what made all them guys obsolete." :43:

7x57

microwaveguy
02-14-2010, 2:17 PM
It just gets stranger ........ suspected mail bomber in 1993

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/ala_slay_suspec.html

bigcalidave
02-14-2010, 2:40 PM
Oh wow, the details come out... This chick was a nutjob. Should have done some time for killing her brother, at least long term psych counseling. Probably just felt like she already knew how to kill people, no big deal to do it again.

yellowfin
02-14-2010, 2:59 PM
SCCC has been trying for at least 3 years to get campus carry in Alabama to prevent this sort of thing, but the university of Alabama president has been almost solely responsible (or irresponsible, to be more accurate) for blocking it. These people died partially because of Robert Witt, undeniably.

Gray Peterson
02-14-2010, 3:03 PM
Sounds like a case of politically connected spoiled brat syndrome.

oops
02-14-2010, 3:15 PM
wish i had a house that was shotgun soundproof

7x57
02-14-2010, 3:23 PM
It just gets stranger ........ suspected mail bomber in 1993

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/ala_slay_suspec.html


During a search of Bishop's computer, authorities found a draft of a novel that Bishop was writing about a female scientist who had killed her brother and was hoping to make amends by becoming a great scientist, according to a person who was briefed on the investigation and spoke to the Globe on the condition of anonymity.


So, lemme get this straight. She shot up a faculty meeting because the denial of tenure would prevent her from atoning for for killing her brother? :eek:

There is an ugly exponential growth mechanism at work here. If they ever let her out what will she do to atone for killing the faculty--firebomb a daycare? How many must die next time so she can atone for her previous killings? :nuts:

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Buckeye Dan
02-14-2010, 4:13 PM
I am sure there is some legal mechanism in place to prevent this. All though I do not know what that might be. But... Why don't the families of the deceased and the wounded themselves have legal recourse against the state or campus or both for creating a killing zone?

It's historically always been the argument that many guns in the workplace will create a hostile environment. Historically however this is false. Every mass killing that has ever taken place in a gun free zone is the hostile environment. It's a proven fact that when someone snaps the signage and laws preventing firearms have absolutely and indisputably ZERO effect on the outcome that follows when the signs and laws are ignored.

Someone should be held accountable for creating this killing zone. Denying the victims their constitutional rights should have consequences. I have always wondered why this angle has never been approached.

If many firearms in a single locale like the workplace create a hostile or unsafe environment then what do the signs create? The answer...Lambs for the slaughter.

There are routinely massacres at gun stores, gun shows, outdoor shows, shooting events, hunting events or anywhere that a large number of citizens gather with firearms. Especially in states that have several hundred thousand people that walk around concealing firearms on a daily basis. NOT!

kermit315
02-15-2010, 5:14 AM
AL gun law summary. She didnt need a permit for the gun.

I almost wonder if the reference to a permit wasnt from the incident in Mass?

What Are the Gun Laws in Alabama?

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Caution:
This summary is meant for general purposes only. Firearm laws frequently change and the following answers may not reflect changes in the laws.
State Requirements: Rifles, Shotguns and Handguns:
Rifles and Shotguns

* Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
* Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
* Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
* Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

Handguns

* Permit to purchase handgun? No
* Registration of handguns? No
* Licensing of owners of handguns? No
* Permit to carry handguns? Yes

Purchase:
It is unlawful to sell, give, lend or deliver a handgun to any person under 18, or to a person whom the seller has reasonable cause to believe has been convicted of a crime of violence, is a drug addict, a habitual drunkard, or of unsound mind.
Possession:

* No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun, or handgun.

* Law enforcement authorities have advised that minors cannot carry or possess a handgun.

* It is unlawful for any person to have in his possession, or on his person, or in any vehicle any firearm while participating in or attending any demonstration being held at a public place, or within 1,000 feet of a demonstration after being warned by a police officer.

* It is unlawful to possess, sell, or use a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun.

Carrying:

* It is unlawful to carry a concealed pistol, firearm, or airgun without a permit.

* It is unlawful to carry a rifle or shotgun walking cane.

* No person shall carry a pistol in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person, except on his land, in his own home or fixed place of business, without a license.

* Exempt from this prohibition are law enforcement officers, common carriers, and persons carrying unloaded handguns in a secure wrapper from a place of purchase to one’s home or business, or to or from a place of repair, or in moving from one home or business to another.

Concealment:
A license to conceal carry firearms does not authorize any person to carry a concealed firearm into:

* Any airport, courthouse or any other public building that specifically prohibits firearms.

* Any city, state and federal facilities.

* Any public gatherings such as sporting events, political events, parades, etc.

The sheriff of a county may, upon the application of any person residing In that county, issue a qualified or unlimited license to carry a handgun in a vehicle or concealed on or about one's person for not more than one year if the applicant:

* Is 21 years of age.

* Has good reason to fear injury to his person or property.

* Has any other proper reason for carrying a handgun.

* "Is a suitable person" to be so licensed.

The sheriff may revoke a license upon proof that the license holder is "not a proper person to be licensed." The fee for a license varies, depending on the county.
Non-Residents:
A person who is not a resident of Alabama and who is licensed to carry a handgun in any state whose laws recognize and give effect in that state to a license issued under the laws of Alabama shall be authorized to carry a handgun in Alabama. Such a person shall carry the handgun in compliance with the laws of Alabama.
Antiques and Replicas:
Handguns possessed as curiosities or ornaments are exempt from the provisions on purchase, possession, or sale. Such handguns may be transported unloaded and in a bag, box, or securely wrapped package, but not concealed on the person. The same provisions apply to handguns, rifles, or shotguns made in or before 1898, or to blackpowder replicas not made to fire fixed ammunition.
Miscellaneous:
No county or municipal corporation or its political subdivision shall regulate in any manner gun shows, the possession, ownership, transport, carrying, transfer, sale, purchase, licensing, registration or use of firearms, ammunition, components of firearms, firearms dealers, or dealers in firearm components.

* It is unlawful to change or obliterate the name of the maker, model, manufacturer’s number, or other mark or identification of any firearm. It is unlawful to possess, sell or use such a firearm.

* It is unlawful to make any loan secured by a mortgage, deposit, or pledge of a handgun.

* It is unlawful to supply false information or evidence in purchasing or otherwise securing delivery of a pistol, or in applying for a license to carry a handgun.

* It is unlawful to possess or sell brass or steel teflon-coated handgun ammunition, or any ammunition of like kind designed to penetrate bulletproof vests. This prohibition does not apply to teflon-coated lead or brass ammunition designed to expand upon contact.

* It is unlawful to carry or possess any firearm within any wildlife management area without a "permit allowing this privilege."

* It is a misdemeanor to hunt with a center-fire rifle, a shotgun using a slug or shot larger in diameter than standard four shot, or a .40 caliber or larger muzzle-loading rifle, within 50 yards of a public road, public highway, or railroad by anyone other than the landowner or his or her immediate family.

* It is unlawful to discharge any firearm upon or across any public road, public highway or railroad.

See Also:
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action
A synopsis of state laws on purchase, possession and carrying of firearms.

State of Alabama Firearms and Weapons Laws

http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_al.htm

OC4ME
02-15-2010, 6:00 AM
...just another New England liberal clinging to her guns and ideology.

7x57
02-16-2010, 8:09 AM
Here is a Boston Herald story (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?&articleid=1232943&format=&page=1&listingType=Loc#articleFull), which confirms the point that "virgin killers" are almost as common as unicorns--plenty of signs of chaos in her life.


‘Oddball’ portrait of Amy Bishop emerges

Suspect’s family, pals offer clues

By Laurel J. Sweet, Jessica Van Sack, Jessica Fargen and Ira Kantor
Monday, February 15, 2010

As authorities searched for clues into what could have sent a University of Alabama neurobiology professor on an alleged killing spree, friends and family yesterday described Braintree native Amy Bishop as an awkward introvert on the brink of losing her teaching job.

Bishop’s husband, James Anderson, told the Herald his wife had been fighting the university for over a year about a tenure denial, and several months ago received a final decision. She was upset, but not overly emotional, approaching her appeal “like a game of chess,” he said.

Police in Huntsville, Ala., charged Bishop, 44, with capital murder after she allegedly opened fire on six colleagues at a faculty meeting Friday, killing three. Afterward, she calmly called her husband and asked him to pick her up as if nothing had happened, said police Chief Henry Reyes.


Calm? As if nothing had happened? That is simply not the action of a normal person with a normal inhibition against killing. Murder-suicides often happen because right afterwards murderers often can't live with what they just did. Mrs. Bishop appears to be missing a lot of human emotional reactions, here.


“She was an oddball - just not very sociable,” said Sylvia Fluckiger, a former lab technician who worked with Bishop in 1993.

Bishop acknowledged at the time being questioned in the bombing attempt of a Harvard medical doctor evaluating her on doctorate work, a professor with whom Bishop was known to quarrel, Fluckiger said.

Reyes confirmed he is working with the FBI to learn more about why Bishop was a suspect in the attempted bombing of Dr. Paul Rosenberg, who received a double-pipe bomb in the mail on Dec. 19, 1993. He ran from his Newton home with his wife, escaping without injury. The bomb never exploded.

“She was quite cavalier about it,” Fluckiger said of Bishop’s description of her interview with police. She said Bishop “grinned” as she described being asked by cops whether she’d ever taken stamps off an envelope and fastened them onto something else. “I cannot tell you what the grin meant,” Fluckiger said.


I can't either, since I don't understand the question.


Seven years prior, Bishop shot her brother to death in Braintree in an incident that was ruled an accident at the time.

But Braintree police Chief Paul Frazier has raised questions about the handling of the case, and officials are investigating missing records in the 1986 death of 18-year-old Seth Bishop.

A classmate of Seth Bishop’s recalled yesterday that the boy, who was “painfully shy,” never talked about his older, only sibling.

“It was as if he was a complete stranger in her life. It seemed like a dysfunctional family. We just accepted them as being odd,” said the classmate, who spoke to the Herald on condition of anonymity.


Dysfunctional? You think?


Amy Bishop, he said, “wasn’t mean because she wasn’t someone you could get close to. She wasn’t an attractive girl, she didn’t have friends. She didn’t work at having friends. I think people probably, over time, learned to leave her alone.”

The Bishop household, he said, “was anything but a home . . . It was just a really dreary, dark place where there wasn’t a lot of love.”

Meanwhile, in an interview with the Chronicle of Higher Education, Anderson said he was searching for the “trigger” to his wife’s breakdown, and that he wondered whether an e-mail message - potentially in the form of a final tenure denial - might have upset her, because university higher-ups were known to send “nastygrams” on Fridays.

A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was “obsessed” with President Obama to the point of being off-putting.


:(


But Mercedes Paz, a Brookline biochemist who also oversaw Bishop’s work in 1993, described her as a friend and a likable woman.

“She was a very good person,” said Paz, 81. “She was respectful and she did what she was supposed to do. I never saw anything that could make me think she was violent.”


If you ignore the previous murders and pipe bombings it helps. (Yes, I know she presumably didn't know about them, but how would acknowledging that help me make snide comments?)

The bottom of the article has a link to an account of her attempted getaway after killing her brother.

Now here is an interesting point--I haven't yet found a report of any anti-gunners using this to call for more gun control. One suspects they may be finding that calling attention to the fact that this is yet another killing in a gun-free zone is backfiring with the public.

7x57

dantodd
02-16-2010, 12:29 PM
I can't either, since I don't understand the question.

I would suspect that the stamps used to send the pipe bombs were removed from an envelope and then placed on the parcel. Her grin probably meant that she knew "EXACTLY" why they asked her the question.


Now here is an interesting point--I haven't yet found a report of any anti-gunners using this to call for more gun control. One suspects they may be finding that calling attention to the fact that this is yet another killing in a gun-free zone is backfiring with the public.


I suspect it is less about the GFSZ and more about her being an extreme leftist who "obsessed" over Obama. This is one woman I seriously do not want obsessing over me.

ke6guj
02-16-2010, 1:00 PM
Heh, heh, heh. if Delahunt's seat wasn't in play before, it is now. :43:

7x57


yup,

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/02/13/delahunt_says_he_is_considering_leaving_his_seat/

YubaRiver
02-17-2010, 12:59 PM
Now they say she was charged after fight in 2002.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/17/alabama.shooting/?hpt=Sbin

Meplat
02-17-2010, 5:48 PM
Can you say "a danger to self and/or others"? She had no business being near firearms.

I will bet that there was plenty of chaos in her life before this happened that indicated she was not safe with a gun. I suspect momma has some responsibility here.
7x57

One can understand the mother protecting her cubs. But not subtly getting the girl help after the coverup? Not excusable!:rolleyes:

Meplat
02-17-2010, 6:00 PM
This only way any of this even starts to make sense is if it were a simi-auto.um i only got 2 shots one upstairs in her room and then the one that fataly wounded her brother downstairs. am i missing one? i thought it was 3 ? and what kind of person with no knowledge of firearms, has 1 accidental discharge and then picks it back up and takes it downstairs. and im pretty sure she would have had to chamber that 2nd round aswell. theres just too many odd statements in that report.

Meplat
02-17-2010, 6:07 PM
Sounds like she had a Man problem, not a Gun problem.

From what I've seen on the news, those state police reports were done several months after the incident, and are based only on information given at that time to the state officer by the local PD. In other words, long after any potential cover-up would have been refined, the local PD gave the sanitized version to the state police. The actual reports of the officers at the scene, and the initial interviews, are missing.

While the state police report says two shots, the local PD is saying three - with a pump shotgun. The state report also says that she had an earlier argument with her father, but the local PD says that it was later with her brother. The local story is that she also took the shotgun with her, threatened a driver with it, and was eventually disarmed at gunpoint by local officers.

Meplat
02-17-2010, 6:14 PM
If you can kill your brother and swallow it with a smile you have more than one screw lose.

Oh wow, the details come out... This chick was a nutjob. Should have done some time for killing her brother, at least long term psych counseling. Probably just felt like she already knew how to kill people, no big deal to do it again.

Aleksandr Mravinsky
02-17-2010, 7:44 PM
I can't wait to see the Brady Bunch's reaction to this. I can't decide if I think they will ignore it, twist it to seem as though more laws are necessary, or just ignore it completely.

Seems Alabama got a 16/100 according to the Brady Campaign's website. They're probably going to use this to call for stricter control, even though carry on campus was already banned.