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MP301
02-12-2010, 12:10 AM
EDIT: This is mainly humor folks so try not to get yer knickers in a twist about this post!

First things first. I support the open carry folks for doing what they believe in....to a point. That point being that waiting until after the upcoming court case(s) is the prudent thing. JMHO for what its worth, but not why im postng this thread.

I was thinking about a different tact to use if you intend to UOC either now or after incorporation is settled (forget about whether you should or not - thats for a different discussion that im not looking to have here). This would work especially well with the lone UOCers.

Why not call the Police first. It might go something like this....

Dispatcher

" Police non emergency line, may I help you?"

UOCer

" Hi, my name is John Q. Citizen and I want you to know
I am going to be walking to the 7-11 on 5th and A street from my house at 1234 oak st....and I will be carrying my unloaded handgun in open view in my holster.

Dispatcher

" Sir, why are you telling us this?"

UOCer

"Well, Im already concerned that I could robbed or killed by some of the gang members I see all over the area, but I also wish to avoid being killed by police officers."

Dispatcher

"Excuse me?"

UOCer

"Im just covering all the bases. I dont know how well your dept is trained on dealing with normal law abiding citizens legally carrying guns. Im trying to avoid an accident."

Dispatcher

"Well, Im not going to try and tell you what to do, but we advise you not to carry your gun in public"

UOCer

"And why is that?"

Dispatcher

"Excuse me? Well, our Officers might mistake you for a bad guy."

UOCer

"Yes, that would be unfortunate. That is why im letting you know in advance. Im glad your not telling me I cant, because its not safe out there and I need be able to protect myself if the need arises. Unless, of course, your officers are not that busy right now and would like to escort me to the store? I normally dont go out at night with all the bad things going on in the area, but I need to get milk for the baby and my car is not running and my family depends on me making it back home so I can work and provide for them."

Dispatcher

"Im sorry sir, we cannot do that"

UOCer

"Well ok, but do you think you could maybe have them watch out for me and if they see me, maybe they could double check to make sure my gun is unloaded? I really want to make sure im not breaking any laws..ha ha, I cant work to provide for my family from the county lock up ya know! Or dead for that matter! ha ha"

Dispatcher

"Im sorry sir, we cant do that"

UOCer

"Oh ok, well here is my phone numbe 555-5555 in case you get one of those annoying "Man with a gun" calls. That way, to save time, I can tell them exactly where I am and find out where they want me to meet them. It will save a bunch of time and maybe help the nice officers from not pointing their guns at me. I dont know what a furtive movement is exactly, but I think that making the officers take two weeks off is not fair to them."

Dispatcher

"Is there anything else help you with sir?"

UOCer

"No, I guess that about covers it. Thank you!"

Maybe if everyone UOCing did this each and every time they UOCed, it might make things safer...if not more entertaining!

Thoughts? :43:


Note: I am not looking for comments on the merits of UOC. That has been beaten to death. Just comments on my "call them first" idea please!

CABilly
02-12-2010, 12:18 AM
I don't think that would work in the OCer's favor. Cops would probably cruise on by looking for [him], just because it sounds too much like "if you get any reports of [generic crime] going on, just know that the 7-11 really isn't being robbed, nope no sirree."

picasso
02-12-2010, 12:28 AM
By calling the cops you are creating some drama as reflected by your own scenario/script. I will wait for the time when we can carry "normally" and "fashionably" :D
And loaded.

MP301
02-12-2010, 12:37 AM
Well, it was mainly in jest guys...geeeze, lighten up!

But even in jest, my point is that one would be going above and beyond attempting to avoid trouble with the local constabulary. You would never hear "we didnt know it was a regular citizen with a gun" when your just one FOIA request away from proving "Well, he called you guys in advance, didnt he?"

And who cares if they looked for you? Check my gun, it will be unloaded! Heck, if you did it often enough, you could be on a first name basis with the beat cops. They would leave you alone after a while!

Im sorry you missed the humor....but I thought the "furtive movement" and "two weeks off" comments in the end would have guven it away...

:confused::p:cool::biggrinjester::tt2::rofl:

pitchbaby
02-12-2010, 1:00 AM
Hell, I got it.... I loved it! I wouldn't recommend it... but I figured you weren't necessarily recommending it either.

I would however... consider this if doing it with 50 other guys just prior to a UOC'er rally of some sort. Although, I am not planning to personally do any UOC'ing.... so I guess I'm not one to talk.

MP301
02-12-2010, 1:14 AM
Hell, I got it.... I loved it! I wouldn't recommend it... but I figured you weren't necessarily recommending it either.

I would however... consider this if doing it with 50 other guys just prior to a UOC'er rally of some sort. Although, I am not planning to personally do any UOC'ing.... so I guess I'm not one to talk.

Hmmmm...but I would love to hear a similar dispatch recording on the local news (after incorporation).....:p

Yeah, I carry a gun everday anyway, but I think that after incorporation, i would attend just for GP and support. Safety in numbers and all that.

No, I dont recommend it...but the more I think about it..."IF" your going to OC anyway, why not let em know your coming...kinda takes the element/excuse of surprize right out of the deal, dont it? I wonder how many times of doing this would desensitize them from that "man with a gun" aka "wet down my leg" syndrome?

The more I think about it, I might just call whomever has jurisdiction and ask them if they want to handle...er... check my gun to see if its loaded!

putput
02-12-2010, 6:45 AM
I do think that something similar would be helpful - post incorporation and in large numbers. I think it was an LA open carry video where the police were asking to be informed ahead of time. Their response to that group was way over the top and I'd like to see them pay the associated cost of that over reaction many times in a day and even accross a week or month until they figure it out. I'd get as many people as possible in as many locations as possible and target a day. I'd start calling anywhere from a few hours to a few minuets ahead of time so as not to overload 911 for emergencies. This would force an agency that wants to be "hyper vigilant" to handle the calls and interactions in what we would call a proper way, say making sure there is even a reason to dispatch before sending out 8 cars and a helicoptor.

Roadrunner
02-12-2010, 7:08 AM
I do think that something similar would be helpful - post incorporation and in large numbers. I think it was an LA open carry video where the police were asking to be informed ahead of time. Their response to that group was way over the top and I'd like to see them pay the associated cost of that over reaction many times in a day and even accross a week or month until they figure it out. I'd get as many people as possible in as many locations as possible and target a day. I'd start calling anywhere from a few hours to a few minuets ahead of time so as not to overload 911 for emergencies. This would force an agency that wants to be "hyper vigilant" to handle the calls and interactions in what we would call a proper way, say making sure there is even a reason to dispatch before sending out 8 cars and a helicoptor.

I think that was in San Pedro, if I remember correctly. If enough people did that, they wouldn't have enough helicopters to cover all of the calls. In fact it would be interesting to see how non-responsive they would get afterwhile.

BusBoy
02-12-2010, 7:29 AM
Well, it was mainly in jest guys...geeeze, lighten up!

But even in jest, my point is that one would be going above and beyond attempting to avoid trouble with the local constabulary. You would never hear "we didnt know it was a regular citizen with a gun" when your just one FOIA request away from proving "Well, he called you guys in advance, didnt he?"

And who cares if they looked for you? Check my gun, it will be unloaded! Heck, if you did it often enough, you could be on a first name basis with the beat cops. They would leave you alone after a while!

Im sorry you missed the humor....but I thought the "furtive movement" and "two weeks off" comments in the end would have guven it away...



Man how could you miss the humor!! :rolleyes: That was damn funny and I'd love to see it! :rofl2:

Anyone care to adlib more into this scenario to keep the Friday lite, festive and happy???! :p

pullnshoot25
02-12-2010, 8:33 AM
Why ask a cop to molest you?

pullnshoot25
02-12-2010, 8:35 AM
Sorry, on phone, missed the humor statement.

thegratenate
02-12-2010, 9:54 AM
Why ask a cop to molest you?

Dude, there's nothing like a good molestation by cop to brighten any day.:eek::eek:

nobody_special
02-12-2010, 10:36 AM
Why ask a cop to molest you?

Yeah, even if they sent a cute female officer I wouldn't want them doing an (e) check and handling my pistol. I"m married after all. :p

(Actually, if I were to ever UOC I'd be carrying a long gun. But that might ruin the innuendo. Or maybe not.)

MP301
02-12-2010, 12:17 PM
Why ask a cop to molest you?

Dude, three of the agencies in my area - Amador Co, Ione and CHP each have one really hot officer. All my friends would just love an "e-check" from any one of these officers. The only problem is that in this area if you called and told thier dispatchers what you were doing they would probably say "thats nice, why are you bothering us?"

Heck, I saw the Sheriff win a rifle at the last NRA gig here. I guess being a top dog at CA DOJ prior to retutning to his home county didnt taint him too much....

I think that was in San Pedro, if I remember correctly. If enough people did that, they wouldn't have enough helicopters to cover all of the calls. In fact it would be interesting to see how non-responsive they would get afterwhile.

You know, even in my jest, I see this the same way. Just how long would it take to make UOC an annoying non issue if everyone called in daily (non emergency line) to tell LE that they were going to be legally carrying a gun? I think even requesting that an officer meet them for an e-check would speed up this process.

Dispatcher

"Im sorry sir, we are not going to come out and check to see if your gun is loaded"

UOCer

"Really? Why not? If someone else called you to report a man grocery shopping with a gun in a holster you would come out, right? Im just trying to cut out the middle man. Get the unpleasantness out of the way and all."

Dispatcher

"Im sorry sir. Is there anything else I can do for you?"


UOCer

"Yes there is. Id like to report a man with a gun....in a holster...."

MP301
02-12-2010, 12:21 PM
Yeah, even if they sent a cute female officer I wouldn't want them doing an (e) check and handling my pistol. I"m married after all. :p

"Im sorry honey, I didnt have any say in the matter. But dont worry dear, I didnt make any furtive movement!"

(Actually, if I were to ever UOC I'd be carrying a long gun. But that might ruin the innuendo. Or maybe not.)

A snub nose is not a long gun pal! :p