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Crawfish141
02-10-2010, 10:27 AM
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/taurus_circut_judge-tfb-tm.jpg
Will this be Ca legal? Looks like it'd be an awesome do all type carbine/shotgun.
It's supposed to shoot both .410 an .45 LC!

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/09/taurus-rossi-circuit-judge/

djleisure
02-10-2010, 10:28 AM
Shotgun with revolving cylinder = no go. :(

Crawfish141
02-10-2010, 10:33 AM
Shotgun with revolving cylinder = no go. :(

But there are two versions, a rifled and a smooth bore ;)

7x57
02-10-2010, 11:58 AM
You know, while I'm not crazy about the judge line of firearms as practical weapons, I am quite enchanted with the way they make products guaranteed to make DiFi wake up in a cold sweat. :D

7x57

Chris M
02-10-2010, 12:01 PM
But there are two versions, a rifled and a smooth bore ;)

[edited to remove false information.]

See #3 & #10 in the flowchart:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

The above doesn't apply to shoulder-fired firearms with a rifled barrel.

loather
02-10-2010, 12:04 PM
The revolving cylinder prohibition seems stupid when in fact we have semiautomatic shotguns -- even magazine-fed ones -- legal. While this is understandably a low priority, I'd like to see this attacked by CGF at some point.

mtptwo
02-10-2010, 12:04 PM
Rifling doesn't get rid of the revolving cylinder.

If a firearm is designed to fire any shotshell cartridges and it has a revolving cylinder, it's illegal in CA. Barrel type makes no difference.


See #3 & #10 in the flowchart:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

Strange. What about the pistol caliber shot shells?

ke6guj
02-10-2010, 12:06 PM
But there are two versions, a rifled and a smooth bore ;)

the smooth-bore version is definitely a Shotgun AW, but the rifled-version might be legal since the only definition of Shotgun in the PC states that a shotgun is a "shoulder-fired firearm that shoots fixed shotgun shells through a smooth-bore". If it has a rifled bore, then it technically does not fall under the CA definition of a shotgun. If it isn't a shotgun per CA-law, how can it then be a "shotgun with a revolving cylinder". That said, at this time, I wouldn't possess either verson.

ke6guj
02-10-2010, 12:16 PM
Rifling doesn't get rid of the revolving cylinder.

If a firearm is designed to fire any shotshell cartridges and it has a revolving cylinder, it's illegal in CA. Barrel type makes no difference.


See #3 & #10 in the flowchart:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdfPer the PC, barrel type might make a difference. I might need to adjust the wording of the flowchart.

The revolving cylinder prohibition seems stupid when in fact we have semiautomatic shotguns -- even magazine-fed ones -- legal. While this is understandably a low priority, I'd like to see this attacked by CGF at some point.that restriction was added to ban the streetsweeper-type shotguns. I'd assume that when the AW ban is attacked, all of the AW would be included.

Strange. What about the pistol caliber shot shells?

the law says "fixed shotgun shell", which is commonly known to be .410, 28ga, 20ga, 16ga, 12ga, 10ga, etc. pistol/rifle ammo that is loaded with shot is not the same thing. They could try to say it is, but at that point, 20+ years of not calling every <18" barreled handgun that could chamber a shotshell an illegal SBS would probably be brought up in court. And with CADOJ specifically listing many of those firearms on its website as firearms that are found to be "not unsafe" and legal to purchase from any dealer, would also go against them.

Chris M
02-10-2010, 12:16 PM
Strange. What about the pistol caliber shot shells?

I stand corrected. Maybe I should have read the entire flowchart.

CA Definition of Shotgun:
"As used in this section, a Shotgun means a weapon designed or redesigned made or remade and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of projectiles (ball shot) or a single projectile for each pull of the trigger."

If the barrel is rifled, the firearm is not a "Shotgun".

YubaRiver
02-10-2010, 12:22 PM
How about the ATI 410 shotgun upper then.

http://www.americantactical.us/images/ATI410URCOMCMP.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoSXJ4QuicU

ke6guj
02-10-2010, 12:26 PM
what about it?

Chris M
02-10-2010, 12:27 PM
How about the ATI 410 shotgun upper then.


No revolving cylinder. This one uses a magazine.

In this case it would depend on configuration. See the flowchart.

1064chubbs
02-10-2010, 12:41 PM
How about the ATI 410 shotgun upper then.

Running a fixed mag set up will nullify the feature laws.

loather
02-10-2010, 12:55 PM
How about the ATI 410 shotgun upper then.

Need I say:
WANT

Back to the topic-at-hand, though:

that restriction was added to ban the streetsweeper-type shotguns. I'd assume that when the AW ban is attacked, all of the AW would be included.

What's a streetsweeper-type shotgun? Admittedly, I'm dangerously uninformed on the topic of shotguns. I like them, I'd eventually like to own one, but I really don't know a lot about them.

ke6guj
02-10-2010, 12:58 PM
What's a streetsweeper-type shotgun? Admittedly, I'm dangerously uninformed on the topic of shotguns. I like them, I'd eventually like to own one, but I really don't know a lot about them.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armsel_Striker

djleisure
02-10-2010, 1:39 PM
And don't forget the evil Jackhammer!

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/jackhammer_r.jpg

dantodd
02-10-2010, 3:18 PM
And don't forget the evil Jackhammer!

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/jackhammer_r.jpg

That thing looks almost like a marital aid.