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Satex
02-07-2010, 9:59 PM
I am looking for a generic WiFi utility that will provide me as much data as possible on heard networks within range. It seems like modern OS' make a good effort to hide most of the information from the average user, making it more difficult on the rest of us to get some good information. This all stems from the fact that the built in UI no longer shows channel numbers for heard networks.
Any suggestions?

Sniper3142
02-07-2010, 10:06 PM
Sorry but it sounds like something a HACKER or FREAKER would want to know.

I suggest looking on some other board more orientated to that activity. RThis one happens to be watched fairly closely by certain Law Enforcement agencies.

Satex
02-07-2010, 10:20 PM
Sorry but it sounds like something a HACKER or FREAKER would want to know.

I suggest looking on some other board more orientated to that activity. RThis one happens to be watched fairly closely by certain Law Enforcement agencies.

Sorry, but being a gun owner sound like something that only a CRIMINAL or BIGOT would want to be.

I suggest looking on some other board more oriented that that activity. This one happens to be watched fairly closely be certain law enforcement agencies.

...

Dude, get a :chillpill: pill. Up to Windows Vista, basic WiFi stats would be provided from the control panel. Recent OS' obscure the information to avoid intimidating users.

PS: I have Putty and use SSL encryption on my laptop, I must be HACKER...

Satex
02-07-2010, 10:27 PM
I just came across this utility: http://www.metageek.net/products/inssider
It works very well if you want to smartly plan your wireless network.

bigmike82
02-07-2010, 10:33 PM
"Sorry but it sounds like something a HACKER or FREAKER would want to know."
OMG HAXORS! RUN!

And, by the way, it's PHreaker, not Freaker. PH, of course, because phreakers were originall interested in how the telePHone system worked. This idea that wanting to know as much info as possible about stuff like this is somehow related to potentially illegal activity is utterly mind-boggling.

When you say data, what exactly do you mean? You can find a lot of info using netstumbler if you're on a windows box. If you want anything more, take a look at the wireless auditing tools available on Linux. Download and run Backtrack for a nice intro.

domokun
02-08-2010, 12:44 AM
NetStumbler when you want to audit the wireless networks around you.

sfwdiy
02-08-2010, 2:38 PM
Sorry but it sounds like something a HACKER or FREAKER would want to know.

I suggest looking on some other board more orientated to that activity. RThis one happens to be watched fairly closely by certain Law Enforcement agencies.

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/srsly-47667.jpg

NSR500
02-08-2010, 2:48 PM
Sorry but it sounds like something a HACKER or FREAKER would want to know.

I suggest looking on some other board more orientated to that activity. RThis one happens to be watched fairly closely by certain Law Enforcement agencies.

It is not the tool, but the conduct of the user with the tool.

CSDGuy
02-08-2010, 3:00 PM
On a windows machine, use netstumbler. It'll do a lot stuff, primarily tell you if there are any networks around and whether or not they're encrypted. It can do some packet capture... but I've not delved into it enough to go past that. Give a GPS feed and you'll be able to figure pretty much where the wireless networks pretty much are. It IS amazing to see how many wireless networks were unsecured back when...

bigmike82
02-08-2010, 3:04 PM
Hmm, I don't believe netstumbler can do packet capture. For that, you'll need to go with Linux or use one of the airpcap adapters they sell.

Phireglass
02-08-2010, 6:03 PM
windows ubuntu or mac??

shooterfpga
02-08-2010, 6:13 PM
sounds like you're using some type of current windows os, by your description. your best bet is to use netstumbler.

tmncali
02-08-2010, 7:33 PM
I have wi-fi analyzer. I can see channels, levels, freq, SSID, BSSID, encryp type.

JDay
02-18-2010, 10:43 PM
You want Kismet, its the best non-hardware based solution. You'll also need a wireless card that supports monitor mode.

http://www.kismetwireless.net/

SEJeff
03-02-2010, 6:03 PM
Take a look at kismet + aircrack-ng. I routinely use that pair to penetration test WEP "secured" wireless networks. It isn't hard, but I'm not sure if they run on windows.

You can get Mac OS X versions of those utilities or just use Linux like most computer security people.

chiefcrash
03-02-2010, 11:29 PM
want a nice easy gui for windows? netstumbler http://www.netstumbler.com/

have mad linux skillz? backtrack http://www.backtrack-linux.org/

JDay
03-03-2010, 6:07 AM
want a nice easy gui for windows? netstumbler http://www.netstumbler.com/

Doesn't work with any version newer than XP. Its also lacking in features.

have mad linux skillz? backtrack http://www.backtrack-linux.org/

Backtrack comes with Kismet and there are tutorials in their forums on proper use of all the wireless tools. It is much better than Netstumbler, although it requires that you have a compatible card that supports monitor mode. However you can find these for cheap on ebay (Prism2 cards). The good ones require a laptop with a type 2 PCMCIA slot and you will need an external antenna for max range. USB versions of these cards also exist but I have no idea what kind of range they get.

Prism2 PCMCIA Card (http://www.keenansystems.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5)

USB Prism2 Wifi Card (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170409695243&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=%3F*F%3F&GUID=e0da4f7f1260a0aad391c061ffe8f165&itemid=170409695243&ff4=263602_263622)

DaleJohnson
03-03-2010, 6:13 AM
Chunkerz.. Back in the day I was the first one on my block with a 1200bps modem.. I was SOOOO HI-tech

JDay
03-03-2010, 6:23 AM
Chunkerz.. Back in the day I was the first one on my block with a 1200bps modem.. I was SOOOO HI-tech

Back in the day I had to connect to the local BBS' using my 300bps modem and a Commodore 64. No joke. I still have that modem too.

blisster
03-04-2010, 9:19 PM
lookup WiSpy and InSSIDer. I use both to troubleshoot wireless networks on a regular basis. Great tools and not to expensive. (as opposed to AirMagent, which is awesome but also spendy)

CSDGuy
03-04-2010, 9:43 PM
Doesn't work with any version newer than XP. Its also lacking in features.



Backtrack comes with Kismet and there are tutorials in their forums on proper use of all the wireless tools. It is much better than Netstumbler, although it requires that you have a compatible card that supports monitor mode. However you can find these for cheap on ebay (Prism2 cards). The good ones require a laptop with a type 2 PCMCIA slot and you will need an external antenna for max range. USB versions of these cards also exist but I have no idea what kind of range they get.

Prism2 PCMCIA Card (http://www.keenansystems.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5)

USB Prism2 Wifi Card (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170409695243&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=%3F*F%3F&GUID=e0da4f7f1260a0aad391c061ffe8f165&itemid=170409695243&ff4=263602_263622)
I've used Netstumbler with Vista. It does work, just not anywhere as well as it does under XP. It's been a while since I've used it though... For packet sniffing, I used to use Ethereal for packet capture. I just don't remember if ethereal could capture from a wireless card....

I'm certainly not much of a computer guy though. But I do know that linux based programs are much more flexible and better at doing that kind of thing than windows stuff is... I just don't normally delve into that OS, so I'm not too familiar with those utilities...

I might have to look up inSSIDer and such (as above) for myself, just to see what they can do!

bigmike82
03-04-2010, 10:17 PM
"For packet sniffing, I used to use Ethereal for packet capture. I just don't remember if ethereal could capture from a wireless card...."
Not without some hacks. They want you to buy the airpcap device (which works quite well, actually).

JDay
03-06-2010, 7:27 AM
I've used Netstumbler with Vista. It does work, just not anywhere as well as it does under XP. It's been a while since I've used it though... For packet sniffing, I used to use Ethereal for packet capture. I just don't remember if ethereal could capture from a wireless card....


You must be mistaken. Netstumbler is not supported under Vista or 7. You may be able to get it to see the AP that you are connected to but that is it. The software hasn't been updated since April 21, 2004. However there is a knockoff for Vista/7 called Vistumbler.

http://www.vistumbler.net/

jmlivingston
03-06-2010, 7:51 AM
You must be mistaken. Netstumbler is not supported under Vista or 7. You may be able to get it to see the AP that you are connected to but that is it. The software hasn't been updated since April 21, 2004. However there is a knockoff for Vista/7 called Vistumbler.

http://www.vistumbler.net/

Looks like an update to Netstumbler is in the works: http://stumbler.net.

John

CSDGuy
03-06-2010, 12:53 PM
It's been probably since 2007 or so since I've done any stuff like that, so... I very easily could be thinking that I was using NS on my vista laptop when I was using it on an XP laptop... but it has definitely been several years.

Regardless, there should be tools available... and I know that the linux community most likely has some really good ones.

Amazing what happens after a couple years of not working with stuff... ;)