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Justang
01-10-2006, 10:10 PM
is there any problem running wolf ammo in an AR15?
I've read it's not the best to run in SU16's, and have read it's led to some kabooms. So I tend to stay away from it.

PanzerAce
01-10-2006, 10:22 PM
well....if you are going for groups, wolf is a no no from what I have heard. IIRC, Ted did a test of a bunch of different ammo types and grains. do a search for it. It basically showed (IMHO) that Wolf ammo sucks.

glock_this
01-10-2006, 10:59 PM
though I do not know much, I was tought at an early age that wolf ammo is pretty much the bottom of the barrel. can't even trust it in a game of russian roulette.

Hitman
01-10-2006, 11:03 PM
I shoot it all the time in my ARs. No problems. :)

HEUER
01-10-2006, 11:30 PM
For 223:

For Plinking:

American Eagle by Federal is good reliable ammo. I also shoot PMC and Winchester White box also.

I have never recieved very good results from Wolf. I have not shot the non-lacquered cases, but generally Wolf is dirty, under powered, and have hard primers (some say).

Check your twist rate on your barrel, that will determine bullet wieght etc...

The Federal American Eagle 55 grain FMJ BT seems to shoot well in both my bolt action and my sem-autos (1-9 and 1-12 twists). ;)

BigAL
01-11-2006, 7:07 AM
Wolf is defintely underpowered and dirty, but I still shoot it. Ted's results have also shown it ain't exactly match ammo either. Your best bet is to buy a few boxes and see if you are happy with the results. Then if you like it you can buy it by the case like I do. As far as reliability I have had one problem over thousands of rounds where the primer went off but did not ignite the powder cuz they forgot to drill the flash hole!:eek: So I wouldn't wanna use this in a defensive situation either.

NRAhighpowershooter
01-11-2006, 7:41 AM
Also avoid Olympic ammo.... it's CR*P!!! I had a 50rnd box of it given to me to try a year or so ago... 5 didn't go bang.... at least 6 or 7 rounds had the primer fall out of the case upon extraction... and 8 FTE's..... and dirty as well!!!! barely kept them in a 13" SR black at 200yds!!!

glock_this
01-11-2006, 7:46 AM
Also avoid Olympic ammo.... it's CR*P!!! I had a 50rnd box of it given to me to try a year or so ago... 5 didn't go bang.... at least 6 or 7 rounds had the primer fall out of the case upon extraction... and 8 FTE's..... and dirty as well!!!! barely kept them in a 13" SR black at 200yds!!!

sounds like it might have been just as simple/accurate to take them from the box and through them hard at the target by hand :D

Harbinger
01-11-2006, 8:06 AM
I've heard this about Olympic as well, but have never shot it.

As far as Wolf goes, I've NEVER had a failure-to-fire and only one failure to extract (on my SU16, possibly because of a dirty chamber). Both my Vulcan and my SU16 EAT THIS RUSSIAN STUFF UP (read: thousands of rounds), but require a bit more cleaning afterwards.

I would never use Wolf as precision ammo, but for <100yd plinking, it'll save you hundreds of dollars in the long run. Most Wolf haters have never shot the stuff... or shot the lacquer version and not the new Polyformance(tm) stuff.

You're beating a dead horse, by the way. This thread could go to infinity if all the Wolf haters and apologists show up. :eek:

Mike

Also avoid Olympic ammo.... it's CR*P!!! I had a 50rnd box of it given to me to try a year or so ago... 5 didn't go bang.... at least 6 or 7 rounds had the primer fall out of the case upon extraction... and 8 FTE's..... and dirty as well!!!! barely kept them in a 13" SR black at 200yds!!!

shopkeep
01-11-2006, 10:04 AM
While I've heard Olympic rifle ammo isn't that great, I shoot their 9mm in my Glock 19 all the time and it works great. There's nothing wrong with their pistol ammunition. Wolf is mostly for rapid firing on BLM land, etc. Don't expect the Wolf ammo to be very accurate, it's far from it.

bwiese
01-11-2006, 10:38 AM
I've never had a Wolf reliability/cycling problem. Everything went 'bang' and hit the target, just with a bit more dispersion than one had hoped for.

There is a chance that Wolf 62gr may be more accurate than Fed XM855 - given the latter's spec is 4MOA (and confirmed by Technical Ted's testing).

Given Wolf is a bit weak, it may be useful in debugging marginal rifles - that is, those that generally work with high-quality ammo but have a few cycling issues with surplus brands. Given its coating and how some folks have said it might be a problem in rough/tight/nonchromed chambers, it could be useful in debugging there too.

If your gun works with Wolf, it works.

(Yes, I have heard similar reports about Olympic ammo, including, IIRC, a few Kabooms.)

elmo
01-11-2006, 10:59 AM
i've fired wolf before in other .223s. My experience is that it fires and feeds fine but is weak. I notice this by how the rounds eject or how strongly they eject.

Army
01-11-2006, 4:10 PM
Just last Thursday night, a regular at the night shoot was using Wolf Poly. After about 200 without a problem, he suddenly stuck a case. After we got it out, the pierced primer was obvious. We both figured "hey, one in a million, right"? Not 10 rounds later...POOF....another one just as stuck, and just as failed.

I told him to relegate the Wolf to his bolt gun, and stick to brass cases in the AR.

DrjonesUSA
01-11-2006, 4:51 PM
1) I've read mixed reviews. Some people swear by it, others swear at it. I'd definitely say the reviews lean towards staying away from it and I personally would avoid it.

2) It makes no sense to me to spend hundreds of dollars on a gun only to go as cheap as possible on ammo.

3) It makes even LESS sense to me to even consider using questionable ammo in a gun that has a literally priceless reciever. (Your new CA AR).

DrjonesUSA
01-11-2006, 4:52 PM
One other thing:

Could the Wolfs' steel case harm a chrome chamber?

Probably isn't good for it...

BigAL
01-11-2006, 5:01 PM
One other thing:

Could the Wolfs' steel case harm a chrome chamber?

Probably isn't good for it...

No. The chrome is much harder than the soft steel cases that are coated in polymer.