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SpeedTribe
01-10-2006, 2:34 PM
Well, I was doing a little gun cleaning and sorting parts for another CaliLegal .223 and noticed my SU-16 was looking a little neglected.
Kind of like an old dog when you get a new puppy.
I have been wondering for a while if an ARMS SIR or VLTOR CASV would fit the SU16 and guess what.
The ARMS fits...It is heavy and just a little forward but it does fit.
Too bad the rails aren't to spec on the SU16. I could have actually bolted the ARMS to the top.

I don't plan on leaving it like this since it would be more difficult to clean and I don't have anything I really want to bolt on.
Just seeing what options we have.
Kel-Tec definitely needs to come up with a better forend than the compact.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/SPEEDTRIBE/su16_sir2.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/SPEEDTRIBE/su16_sir1.jpg

Stanze
01-10-2006, 3:46 PM
That's only like the best-equipped SU-16 I ever seen!

Got any 30 rounders to stick in there to kick it up a notch?:)

shopkeep
01-10-2006, 3:53 PM
That SU16 is so awesome it's going on the list :D j/k heheh!

bu-bye
01-10-2006, 6:45 PM
Now that looks sexy!

Gnote
01-10-2006, 8:49 PM
That is very nice!!!!

ten-tenths
01-10-2006, 10:04 PM
i suddenly want a su-16!

Justang
01-10-2006, 10:09 PM
That looks nice! I don't really ever use the bi-pod on the SU16, maybe I could try one of those rails.... just 'cause it looks evil. :eek:

Stevil
01-10-2006, 11:30 PM
That's what I was thinking, course it might fit better on a CA, that has a Mil-spec rail. Good work, the KT compact forend is okay but this looks useful. I guess it makes it real heavy though, how secure does it feel? :)

Jon
01-11-2006, 12:47 AM
Yeah, that is pretty cool. . .though I'm not sure I'd throw a $300 rail on a $500 rifle. . .well, maybe I would. :D

artherd
01-11-2006, 1:41 AM
WOAH! Maybe my SU isn't a piece of **** after all?! I'll have to look into this!

Kali_M14
01-11-2006, 1:59 PM
Man, a mid length on would look even more awesome on that thing!:D

brasscoe
02-16-2006, 9:48 PM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/SPEEDTRIBE/su16_sir2.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/SPEEDTRIBE/su16_sir1.jpg

Anyone know which model SIR Model that is?

http://www.armsmounts.com/catalog.php?action=110&cat_id=8

SpeedTribe
02-16-2006, 9:55 PM
It's an ARMS 46C. The bolts don't line up with the spaces on the SU-16a upper rail since the SU is not to spec. The handguard also makes it front heavy. With a little modding on the SU it would probably work with no problem. After taking the pictures I put the rail back on my AR upper.
Although my midlength VLTOR/Abrams CASV may also fit....hmmmm

brasscoe
02-16-2006, 10:49 PM
It's an ARMS 46C. The bolts don't line up with the spaces on the SU-16a upper rail since the SU is not to spec. The handguard also makes it front heavy. With a little modding on the SU it would probably work with no problem. After taking the pictures I put the rail back on my AR upper.
Although my midlength VLTOR/Abrams CASV may also fit....hmmmm

Thanks, I think I may give it a try.

elmo
02-16-2006, 10:51 PM
i love it when pepole get creative and try new things. good stuff. You can counteract the front heaviness by putting the 2 plastic 10 rounders filled withi ammo in the rear stock?

grammaton76
02-17-2006, 6:02 PM
i love it when pepole get creative and try new things. good stuff. You can counteract the front heaviness by putting the 2 plastic 10 rounders filled withi ammo in the rear stock?

Actually a USGI 30 would add more weight to it, but of course if he doesn't have any, he can't get any.

Hmm, now there's a thought - a specifically-designed SU-16 stock weight. Buy JUST a mag body, which you can legally do all you want, then fill the whole thing with epoxy or concrete, or something else that's heavy, and then it'll clamp right into the spare mag holder in the stock. At no point are you assembling a new magazine, it'll LOOK cool (especially if you leave the mag catch hole empty so you can insert it into the magwell for photos), and it would weight the rifle just fine. And it'd be completely non-permanent.

SpeedTribe
02-17-2006, 8:02 PM
It's cold and crappy outside so I decided to tear up the SU16 again.
Here she is with the midlength VLTOR/ABRAMS CASV. The VLTOR is lighter than the SIR but doesn't look as evil.
Of course the sights are now unusable and the rail has to be removed (easy) for cleaning but what the hell...

Side view..
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/SPEEDTRIBE/su16_side_vltor.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/SPEEDTRIBE/su_vltor_close_side.jpg

With some crap bolted on...
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/SPEEDTRIBE/su16_frt_light_vltor2.jpg

joshb
02-18-2006, 10:21 AM
Of course the sights are now unusable

Although, with this setup it seems that you could put flip up front & rear AR style sights and also co-witness with your Aimpoint (or EOThing, whatever). The sight radius would be pretty short, but it would still be better than the options available now. I love my SU, but it drives me nuts that I cant have BUIS and/or cowitness.

Also, rather than a weighted mag solution for the stock, I think it would be really cool if someone came up with a misc. storage container for the stock. Something that could store cleaning gear, first-aid stuff, etc. It would really fit the bill as the SU's niche is definately as a survival type gun.


josh

C.G.
02-18-2006, 5:06 PM
Although, with this setup it seems that you could put flip up front & rear AR style sights and also co-witness with your Aimpoint (or EOThing, whatever). The sight radius would be pretty short, but it would still be better than the options available now. I love my SU, but it drives me nuts that I cant have BUIS and/or cowitness.

Also, rather than a weighted mag solution for the stock, I think it would be really cool if someone came up with a misc. storage container for the stock. Something that could store cleaning gear, first-aid stuff, etc. It would really fit the bill as the SU's niche is definately as a survival type gun.


josh

Right down Bu-bye's alley.:D

xenophobe
02-18-2006, 5:15 PM
It's an ARMS 46C. The bolts don't line up with the spaces on the SU-16a upper rail since the SU is not to spec.

Hmm... the newer SU-16CA and D models are supposed to be to Mil-1913 spec.