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nicki
02-02-2010, 2:55 PM
Oaklander and other's made some positive observations about Malcolm X, yet we at this point, he is a historical figure.

Several things I noticed about Malcolm X, he preached self reliance, respect for one's self, respect for one's spouse, integrity of the family unit and of course the right of armed self defense.

We would need to do our homework on Malcolm X and see what kind of man he was at the time he was murdered.

Obvioulsy he had a colorful past, but from what I know, he transcended many of the bad things and had he not been murdered, may have significantly changed American racial relations.

I realize that it may be a shock that a predominately white organization would celebrate Malcolm X, but that is the point.

There has to be some Black men who are willing to lead their communities, I can't believe that whole communities are willing to accept the status quo of being government dependents and living a hell hole existence.

Something like this could eventually lead to breaking the socialist statists voting blocks.

Nicki

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02-02-2010, 3:13 PM
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rkt88edmo
02-02-2010, 3:28 PM
There has to be some Black men who are willing to lead their communities, I can't believe that whole communities are willing to accept the status quo of being government dependents and living a hell hole existence.


Their names are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson :sleeping:

Even the Coz has tried somewhat...

Ledbetter
02-02-2010, 3:30 PM
Read the Autobiography of Malcolm X for details on his life. His assassination did not register the way RFK or MLK did, but it was a great loss for white and black Americans when he was murdered.

odysseus
02-02-2010, 3:31 PM
It is by every measure a complicated matter. To begin with, Malcolm X was a man possibly in transition, and certainly dynamic in his will to change. Being that he went from a more harder core black separatist to beginning to move outside of that ideology before his death, his legacy as a leader bringing people together was not forged. Thus his legacy is diametric to someone, say like MLK in the public eye.

He remains a controversial figure outside of certainly some libertarian points you bring up which are true, that are good points about him. I know from growing up around Oakland, that many marxists hold Malcolm as a figurative leader for them, so it brings up a plethora of side chatter and resistance on either side, as well as implications focusing the lens on discussions of a racial quagmire. Now intentionally doing so is certainly a valid point, but fraught with pitfalls so it would need to be handled diligently with some risk.

Gray Peterson
02-02-2010, 3:35 PM
Malcolm X did have a great epiphany in the last two years of his life. A lot of conservatives disrespect him greatly because he was a black nationalist, but when your "people" are being murdered and oppressed on a massive scale by people that don't think of you as human, it changes people. He broke away from the Nation of Islam and Elijah Muhammad's stupidity, after the hajj he undertook, and we have no idea what would have happened if he had survived his assassination. He may not have fully embraced MLK's dream, but he was a firm believer in self defense and defense of your community, and to not rely on the police and government for your own protection.

Douse of irony: Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibited all felons from possessing firearms, regardless of circumstance and reason. I wonder given the incarceration and frame up rate by cops of the 1920's through 1960's era of black people if there was another intention behind it...hmm......

7x57
02-02-2010, 4:48 PM
Malcolm X was a man possibly in transition, and certainly dynamic in his will to change.

This I think is the essential problem. Precisely because he was still changing and evolving at the time of his death, we're on even shakier ground than normal. When you ask questions that require you to extrapolate about what someone *would* have done, you've ventured out onto the thin ice. When that person is both bright and independent, as Malcom undoubtedly was, you're surrounded by a spiderweb of fine cracks and an ominous creaking sound.

That's why I tend to limit myself to certain personality traits evident in the autobiography. I give up profundity for at least a bit of certainty that allows some human empathy.

7x57