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five.five-six
02-01-2010, 7:33 PM
last shoot out, I was shooting my AR10 1:9 24"bbl at targets ~1,000 yards.... and it roocks... I have not worked up a load yet and i am sure the rifle could do much better, I was shooting 150gn boat tails with 46 grains of varget and hitting a 12" target about 60% of the time in a 3-5 MPH cross wind... well, I am hooked.

I am thinking that even if i work up the ultimate load for that rifle, I will still be out-shooting my gun and need a bolt gun

the only real bolt gun I have is a ruger m77 mark IV in .300WM, it has a good trigger and shoots almost hole for hole at 100 yards, problems, it is light and kicks like a mule, and it has a Bushnell 9x scope (that some how I have not broken yet???) the rings are 1"


so i am thinking... should I get some glass for that rifle and put a break on it or just start over with a new rifle?

aplinker
02-01-2010, 7:53 PM
If the rifle you have shoots as well as you say, just upgrade glass. You can always tone down the load to reduce recoil.

Besides, you'd need better glass once you switch, so why not start there?

swerv512
02-01-2010, 7:57 PM
if you are shooting that well with the AR10 with factory loads, why not just get some good glass on it and get some reloads going. 6/10 at almost 1MOA @ 1k yds is good shooting so long as the the 4/10 werent a mile off...

StraightShooter
02-01-2010, 8:05 PM
How did you measure the 1000 yds?

five.five-six
02-04-2010, 8:43 PM
if you are shooting that well with the AR10 with factory loads, why not just get some good glass on it and get some reloads going. 6/10 at almost 1MOA @ 1k yds is good shooting so long as the the 4/10 werent a mile off...


no none of them were off by a mile.. the beauty of an AR10 is that the recoil is so light that you can see the bullet strike the dirt in the scope, I already have a fairly nice chunk of glass on the ar-10

as far as the distance, we estimated it, thats why i said ~1,000 yards, I can tell you that 1/2 way back it was well over 1/4 mile from the target, and over 1/4 mile to our shooting position... at least 800 yards, could be 1100 yards

like I said, it was my first time reaching out.... and I like it!

Jpach
02-04-2010, 9:27 PM
Where on earth did you get a 1:9 .308 barrel? Do you mean 1:10 or 1:11.25?

Nice shooting btw, especially with so-so hand loads :D

Acorn556
02-04-2010, 9:28 PM
I'm building an SPR to do this up in Nevada. Won't be doing any reloads as I don't have space or time but I might just get some high grade ammo to reach out and touch someone with. Always thought it would be cool to hit 800 yards and beyond.

ar15barrels
02-04-2010, 9:39 PM
as far as the distance, we estimated it, thats why i said ~1,000 yards, I can tell you that 1/2 way back it was well over 1/4 mile from the target, and over 1/4 mile to our shooting position... at least 800 yards, could be 1100 yards

You were probably shooting at 600yds then.
Laser rangefinders don't lie, get one.
Everyone always estimates long.
440yds is 1/4 mile so 600yds is WELL over 1/4 mile.

How much elevation did you have to dial to hit the target?

We have a whole subforum here dedicated to longrange and precision rifle shooting.
Perhaps you have seen it before?

Seesm
02-04-2010, 9:46 PM
last shoot out, I was shooting my AR10 1:9 24"bbl at targets ~1,000 yards.... and it roocks... I have not worked up a load yet and i am sure the rifle could do much better, I was shooting 150gn boat tails with 46 grains of varget and hitting a 12" target about 60% of the time in a 3-5 MPH cross wind... well, I am hooked.

I am thinking that even if i work up the ultimate load for that rifle, I will still be out-shooting my gun and need a bolt gun

the only real bolt gun I have is a ruger m77 mark IV in .300WM, it has a good trigger and shoots almost hole for hole at 100 yards, problems, it is light and kicks like a mule, and it has a Bushnell 9x scope (that some how I have not broken yet???) the rings are 1"


so i am thinking... should I get some glass for that rifle and put a break on it or just start over with a new rifle?

Soooo your into 7.62x51 now and not five.five-six? :) Sounds like fun... I have a hard enough time being consistant at 100 yrds.. :)

Solidsnake87
02-04-2010, 9:47 PM
Shooting distance is addictive. 800-1000 yards is definitely the fun stuff.

five.five-six
02-04-2010, 10:02 PM
You were probably shooting at 600yds then.
Laser rangefinders don't lie, get one.
Everyone always estimates long.
440yds is 1/4 mile so 600yds is WELL over 1/4 mile.

How much elevation did you have to dial to hit the target?

We have a whole subforum here dedicated to longrange and precision rifle shooting.
Perhaps you have seen it before?

it was over 1/4 mile each way when I was 1/2 way back... well that's my estimate, but I could barely see the bright orange clays, and I could not identify my friends ... I can tell you that the target could not be found with the naked eye.... from my shooting position

what laser ranger do you recommend that is accurate to 1k?


We have a whole subforum here dedicated to longrange and precision rifle shooting.
Perhaps you have seen it before?

yes, I stop by once a month to post that "I might go shooting with you guys" :p

ar15barrels
02-04-2010, 10:05 PM
what laser ranger do you recommend that is accurate to 1k?

Leica LRF or CRF 1200.

With good lighting conditions, I have lased 1350yds with my CRF1200.
Most cheaper rangefinders can't even get to their specified max distance unless you have a perfect conditions and a big flat surface to point them at.

How much elevation did you have to dial to hit your target?

StraightShooter
02-04-2010, 10:07 PM
it was over 1/4 mile each way when I was 1/2 way back... well that's my estimate, but I could barely see the bright orange clays, and I could not identify my friends ... I can tell you that the target could not be found with the naked eye.... from my shooting position

what laser ranger do you recommend that is accurate to 1k?



yes, I stop by once a month to post that "I might go shooting with you guys" :p

For laser range finders the Leica CRF 1200, Leica Geovids, Swarovski laser guide are all excellent. The latter two are very expensive though. I have use a gps before and it ended up being 200 yards off because I could only measure down to .1 miles.

264charlie
02-04-2010, 10:20 PM
Start over with a new rifle... You will not want to shoot as much as you will need with a 300WM.

five.five-six
02-04-2010, 10:21 PM
How much elevation did you have to dial to hit your target?

I will have to check my scope when I get home... it was less than I expected... my turret has hash marks for distance for 168 grain ball ammo it's 1moa/click elevation, I dialed it to 650..I figured that it was because I was shooting uphill...and shooting a much faster and lighter bullet than it was designed for... when I get home i will click it back and tell you how many minutes, I was shooting 150 grain boat tails with... IIRC 46 grains of varget and WLRM I will have to check my records to tell you exactly what I was shooting


FWIW, I attribute the accuracy of this rifle to you building the upper Randal

StraightShooter
02-04-2010, 10:21 PM
You can see my car at the 200 yd line off to the right on the road just for perspective.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/Mrpaintball01/Dist.jpg

18" x 18" plate 1000 yds

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/Mrpaintball01/Desert%20Shoot/Picture003.jpg

Pthfndr
02-04-2010, 10:22 PM
How much elevation did you have to dial to hit your target?

This. Inquiring minds want to know.

five.five-six
02-04-2010, 10:33 PM
You can see my car at the 200 yd line off to the right on the road just for perspective.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/Mrpaintball01/Desert%20Shoot/Picture003.jpg

good shooting tex :)

it did take me about 1/2 hour to walk out and back... I'm gona have to get a tape mesure :p... or more likely a GPS

StraightShooter
02-04-2010, 10:37 PM
good shooting tex :)

it did take me about 1/2 hour to walk out and back... I'm gona have to get a tape mesure :p... or more likely a GPS

Like I said earlier, unless a gps can measure in yards then it wont help you much. Mine inly does .1 mile increments which is not nearly accurate enough. I have a set of Leica geovids that are a dream to use. Very powerful, accurate and clear. Having a car to drive or a quad/utility vehicle to set up targets is very nice. I hiked steel to 1000 yards and by the time you get back to start shooting your arms are like noodles.

johnrunner89
02-04-2010, 10:44 PM
You can see my car at the 200 yd line off to the right on the road just for perspective.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/Mrpaintball01/Dist.jpg

18" x 18" plate 1000 yds

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/Mrpaintball01/Desert%20Shoot/Picture003.jpg

Nice shots! Where was this at? Take me with! lol

ar15barrels
02-04-2010, 10:50 PM
my turret has hash marks for distance for 168 grain ball ammo it's 1moa/click elevation, I dialed it to 650..I figured that it was because I was shooting uphill...and shooting a much faster and lighter bullet than it was designed for... when I get home i will click it back and tell you how many minutes, I was shooting 150 grain boat tails with... IIRC 46 grains of varget and WLRM

On my leupold M3 with the 168 cap, it's 22moa to 650.
With a 24" barrel, you are getting about 2800fps with that load.
At 2800fps with a 150gr hornady fmj-bt bullet, you are at 735yds or so when you have 22moa of drop.

With a 20" barrel, you would be at 700yds with that drop.

five.five-six
02-04-2010, 11:18 PM
yes, I just checked it and it's 22 clicks.... the target was about 200 feet above my shooting position, I know that plays in, but I don't know how to calculate it. also (just got home) the loads were 27 grains varget behind a hornaday 3031, puts me at 2935 fps + a little for the wolf magnum primer... well 735 sort of is ~1k LOL

anyway, the bullet that works real good in that gun is a 168 A-max loaded a 2750 fps... I was getting boxes of 50 for $38.95 at the gunshow from a guy that goes by accurizeit@aol.com he's out of reno and i would really like to figure out what powder he is using, next trip out I could bring my press and have a good starting point


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pretty sure this is my scope, not much good for targets, I think it's more for killing people, target scope might suit me better it does however see the target better than my 50X bushnell spotter

http://swfa.com/Leupold-35-10x40-Mark-4-LRT-30mm-Riflescope-P3320.aspx

the thing I liked about this location is that the hill I was shooting was loose shale-ish, and the rifle settled down enough by the time the bullet struck that you could clearly see the "splash" of the missed rounds

ar15barrels
02-04-2010, 11:49 PM
well 735 sort of is ~1k LOL

Not even close.

With a hornady 3031 at 2731fps, you were at 670yds.

In flight time, 670yds is just over half way to 1000yds.
Flight time is what matters the most because it's the TIME that the bullet is exposed to the wind that makes long range shooting difficult.
You were not shooting long range today.
You were shooting intermediate range.
Long range starts after 800yds.
The difference from 600 to 800yds is huge.
The difference from 800 to 1000 is even bigger.

You have MUCH to learn.
Keep going at it though.

five.five-six
02-05-2010, 12:12 AM
Not even close.

With a hornady 3031 at 2731fps

then I must be doing something wrong, cause I keep coming up with over 2900fps

granted, there is not a lot of load data varget and 150 grain FMJ, but the few I found come up bout the same


and you are right, I do have a lot to learn :)


and yes, it's a 24" barrel

Bug Splat
02-05-2010, 12:25 AM
Randall likes to go to malls during Christmas and spill the beams about santa to all the kids and the other day i saw him kick a puppy. :p ;)


Not even close.

With a hornady 3031 at 2731fps, you were at 670yds.

In flight time, 670yds is just over half way to 1000yds.
Flight time is what matters the most because it's the TIME that the bullet is exposed to the wind that makes long range shooting difficult.
You were not shooting long range today.
You were shooting intermediate range.
Long range starts after 800yds.
The difference from 600 to 800yds is huge.
The difference from 800 to 1000 is even bigger.

You have MUCH to learn.
Keep going at it though.

five.five-six
02-05-2010, 12:29 AM
Randall likes to go to malls during Christmas and spill the beams about santa to all the kids and the other day i saw him kick a puppy. :p ;)


I've gone with him, it's good times :p

Chk Chk Boom
02-05-2010, 12:44 AM
Randall likes to go to malls during Christmas and spill the beams about santa to all the kids and the other day i saw him kick a puppy. :p ;)

Quite possibly the funniest thing I've read tonight.

swerv512
02-05-2010, 8:25 PM
LMAO...

Twystd1
02-07-2010, 12:19 AM
Hey Five,Five-six.

I will loan you a Nightforce 8 - 32 x 56mm BR scope on the next shoot... Ya just have to remind me to bring it.
If I remember correctly, it has 50 MOA X&Y axis plus a 20 degree picatinny mount. That should get you out a couple of yards handsomely.

I dunno how hot a load we can put in your gas gun. We can start off with some black hills match and see how your gas gun reacts. Just bring your press and lets see what we can put together.

And before i forget.... your ugly...

Da Old man

five.five-six
02-07-2010, 2:20 AM
Hey Five,Five-six.

I will loan you a Nightforce 8 - 32 x 56mm BR scope on the next shoot... Ya just have to remind me to bring it.



thanks, I 'm bring a motorcycle, GPS and a bigger gong.. I have been looking for 168 A-max's, none locally...I hate buying on the interweb

ktom300
02-07-2010, 8:55 AM
Is there any way to range it using Google Earth?

ktom300
02-07-2010, 9:10 AM
Just figured it out. You can use the "ruler" tool. This is Cow Mtn from the benches to the furthest berm

five.five-six
02-07-2010, 9:45 AM
Is there any way to range it using Google Earth?


I'll look it up tonight and see if I can figure it out that way... my elevation data is crap... Randal is right with a 150gn. BC .338 @ 2950fps and 22 minutes elivation it's 750 yards, however I originality zeroed with 168 A-max at 2750 FPS, (cause that's my go-to bullet, I know it works) which puts me at about 800... I was just plinking and did not take any notes.

Jpach
02-07-2010, 11:42 AM
I'll look it up tonight and see if I can figure it out that way... my elevation data is crap... Randal is right with a 150gn. BC .338 @ 2950fps and 22 minutes elivation it's 750 yards, however I originality zeroed with 168 A-max at 2750 FPS, (cause that's my go-to bullet, I know it works) which puts me at about 800... I was just plinking and did not take any notes.

Hey 556, that 168 AMAX is awesome huh? What kind of groups are you getting with them out past 200? Ive neer taken them that far before with my AR.

Also, I highly suggest getting 178 AMAXs too. Shot 5 shot 1.100" group at 200yds with 178 AMAX over 44gr IMR 4064 I believe. Although I didnt have a chrony I played with a ballistic calculator until I found the velocity that corresponded with the drop I was getting from my 100yd zero and it was at least 2650 FPS. The AMAXs kick ***

cannon
02-07-2010, 2:10 PM
Long range is very addictive. Quit while you can! :D

five.five-six
02-07-2010, 6:15 PM
Hey 556, that 168 AMAX is awesome huh? What kind of groups are you getting with them out past 200? Ive neer taken them that far before with my AR.

Also, I highly suggest getting 178 AMAXs too. Shot 5 shot 1.100" group at 200yds with 178 AMAX over 44gr IMR 4064 I believe. Although I didnt have a chrony I played with a ballistic calculator until I found the velocity that corresponded with the drop I was getting from my 100yd zero and it was at least 2650 FPS. The AMAXs kick ***


at 200, I get 3/4" with 168 A-MAXs, this is my first time shooting past 200... a BC of .475 is very attractive .. 178 are even better at .495. right now I am using varget for .223 and 308.... I am leaning toward H4831sc for the .300 win mag ... if I can find it


I am trying to decide if I should keep using wolf LRMs or switch to BR2s

five.five-six
02-07-2010, 6:17 PM
Long range is very addictive. Quit while you can! :D

yea, but I'm only doing intermediate range shooting, so I can quit any time I like :p

ar15barrels
02-07-2010, 6:20 PM
I can quit any time I like

The first step is admitting you have a problem...

five.five-six
02-07-2010, 6:52 PM
if I ever get as bad as ^ that guy, then I will quit :p


at night, I find myself dreaming of .338 lapua, is that bad?

ar15barrels
02-07-2010, 6:56 PM
at night, I find myself dreaming of .338 lapua, is that bad?

Go shoot one once.
The novelty wears off quickly.

Vinz
02-07-2010, 8:50 PM
Long range is very addictive. Quit while you can! :D

yep very addictive, I just wish I was better at it. LOL



vinz

Twystd1
02-09-2010, 9:07 PM
Go shoot one once.
The novelty wears off quickly.

With the right brake. They are fun to shoot.
They are also dam expensive to shoot. And it will sit in the safe most of the time. I have been there and done that.

Five.five-six.
Build a 6BR or a 6x on a remy 700 based tube gun.
You will have a hoot. And they cost no more to shoot that .308 once you have the lapua brass paid for.

And the other fellas around you at the range will think your have a bigger...???
Rifle..... :eek:

Borrow/steal my NF BR scope and your good to go. Or take one of the Leupy target scopes off the .204 gasser or the .308. remmy.
I will be happy to help you spend your money. Cause i don't have any.....

Gimme a call ya nut case.

Da Old man.

swerv512
02-09-2010, 9:26 PM
yep very addictive, I just wish I was better at it. LOL
vinz

You're preaching to the choir...
Amen to that!

technique
02-09-2010, 9:40 PM
I'm going to shoot something called a "Chuck"....I'll be shooting them at distances of 500yrds. I'm not sure how big they are....but that's pretty far for something I imagine is pretty small, kitten sized...?

I'll let you know how that goes... :D

Jpach
02-09-2010, 11:18 PM
I'm going to shoot something called a "Chuck"....I'll be shooting them at distances of 500yrds. I'm not sure how big they are....but that's pretty far for something I imagine is pretty small, kitten sized...?

I'll let you know how that goes... :D

Take pics! And vids if you can. What will you be shooting them with?

technique
02-09-2010, 11:56 PM
I'm building a SPR, a correct one.
My buddy is all into it. He called me today and told me that they were "coming up", above ground I assume. He said due to the warm weather...(its like 40 something, warm? Are you kidding me?)

He's shooting a .223 also and loading 69gr SMK's.
I haven't a clue what ammo I'll be shooting yet. Hell, I don't even know what these animals are...? But, I'm down! I'll take pics. I think it will be another month or so before we go out.

5150bronco
02-10-2010, 12:10 AM
this sounds really fun. going to look for that sub forum. I want to build something nice. right now I just have 760 remy pump which is fun. 1000 yards would be great.

swerv512
02-10-2010, 8:00 AM
I'm going to shoot something called a "Chuck"....I'll be shooting them at distances of 500yrds. I'm not sure how big they are....but that's pretty far for something I imagine is pretty small, kitten sized...?

I'll let you know how that goes... :D

wood or rock? lucky bastard....

five.five-six
02-10-2010, 8:17 AM
oh gosh... where can you legally shoot kittens? that sounds fun!