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Aubie
02-01-2010, 5:25 PM
Hey Guys

I'm active duty navy living in Washington state right now. I recently bought a SIG 556 Classic SWAT assault rifle that is not legal in California and plan to transfer sometime in the next 6 months. I hear there is a way to acquire an assault weapons permit for active duty entering the state on orders. My questions are,

1) Where/who do call about this? Can I apply before I move to Cali?
2) Does this permit give me the right to shoot the gun or just store it in my home?
3) Will I be allowed to use detachable 30 round mags or do I have to invest in some 10 round clips?

Thanks for any help!

Sean

gunsmithcats
02-01-2010, 5:41 PM
Hey Sean,
You have to contact the Calfironia DOJ firearms division, military assault weapons permit section. Unfortunately the numbers changed around recently and I don't have the number of the new point of contact. Your best bet is just to call the DOJ Firearms Division and politely ask who to talk to regarding military assault weapons permit. Its not online, they mail it out to you.
The permit requires fingerprinting, a one time fee, requires renewal every year (free if done on time) and thats about it. It lets you bring in your sig as is, with no funky modifications required. You can take it to and from a shooting range or shooting area (desert) however you shouldn't stop anywhere else unless its like for gas or a piss break.
Yes you can use your high cap 30 rounders, BUT, you can't bring those in. So theres the kicker. If you already have high caps in California then you can use those but u cant import new ones. However, since your active duty military lets say the Navy issues you a loadout of 6-8 m16 mags. Well sure, go ahead and you can use those in your sig.
Good luck.

ke6guj
02-01-2010, 5:51 PM
yes, there is a Military Assault Weapon Registration available.

Obtaining an Assault Weapons Permit for Active Duty Military Personnel.

Any person on active military duty with current, valid permanent change of station orders for duty in the State of California may apply for a DOJ Assault Weapon Permit for personal possession and or transportation of personally owned assualt weapons(s).

Does not apply for those under the age of 18.

Requirements:

Completed Application for Assault Weapon Permit for Military Personnel

$73 fee (postal money order)

Two complete ten-print fingerprint cards (your security unit can often do these)

A copy of your PCS orders

The application has the following information:

Applicant's military rank

Full name

Mailing Address

Physical residential address (if different)

Telephone number

Branch of service

Name and address of military base or unit assignment

Military ID number

Make, model, and serial number of each assualt weapon to be permitted

Applicant's signature


They called me within about four days of mailing and said that they were processing my permit. They left a message "the Department of Justice's Firearm Division would like to talk to you." - just what you want to hear on your answering machine!

It took about two weeks total to receive my permit. You can fill out a second sheet of paper if you have more weapons than the four spaces given on the permit.

Permits are valid for one year from issue or until the member terminates PCS orders in California, which ever comes first. Renewals are required each year and are free. They send a letter in the mail reminding you.

Department of Justice
Firearms Division
PO Box 820200
Sacramento, CA 94203-0200

I worked with:
Yolanda Garcia
Crimianl Intelligence Specialist 1
yolanda.garcia@doj.ca.gov
(916) 227-3274

You can do a search for MAWP for more info. IIRC, Yolanda is no longer with CADOJ, so you may need to locate the proper person, but that should get you pointed inthe right direction.


2. The permit would allow you to shoot the gun in the same manner as us that have registered assault weapons. There are limits to where you may shoot it, but you don't have to "just store it in my home"

3. The permit does not extend to your 30-round mags. You may not import large-capacity magazine. Yes, you would need to purchase 10-round mags. YOu can disassemble the large-capacity magazines and keep them disassembled while in-state.

pgg
02-01-2010, 6:06 PM
1) Where/who do call about this? Can I apply before I move to Cali?

The application requires you to include a copy of your orders, so my guess is that you can apply before you set foot in the state.

I didn't know about it before I got here. They've had my application about a month, and they claim 60-90 days to process.


However, since your active duty military lets say the Navy issues you a loadout of 6-8 m16 mags.

Hmm, never thought of that. Seems unlikely that I'd be able to get the hospital to issue a few to me though. :)

ChrisO
02-01-2010, 7:48 PM
Active duty only not guard or reserve?

Para45
02-01-2010, 9:48 PM
Active duty only not guard or reserve?

I believe it's active duty only.

pitchbaby
02-01-2010, 10:51 PM
Is the required fingerprinting a Live Scan? If so... this means you'll need to go to a Live Scan site prior to submitting for the permit. I believe these are only found in CA.

ke6guj
02-01-2010, 10:55 PM
Is the required fingerprinting a Live Scan? If so... this means you'll need to go to a Live Scan site prior to submitting for the permit. I believe these are only found in CA.

from the post I quoted, it says "Two complete ten-print fingerprint cards (your security unit can often do these)". that sounds like the old ink-rolled fingerprint cards, not LiveScan. But the OP should be able to contact CADOJ and get confirmation on it.

pitchbaby
02-01-2010, 10:59 PM
from the post I quoted, it says "Two complete ten-print fingerprint cards (your security unit can often do these)". that sounds like the old ink-rolled fingerprint cards, not LiveScan. But the OP should be able to contact CADOJ and get confirmation on it.

I don't doubt that.... but I do doubt CA.... I wouldn't be surprised if it's a LiveScan requirement, but never changed in the description of the rules. Your right though, a call will take care of it. Good luck getting them on the phone! LOL!

ke6guj
02-01-2010, 11:07 PM
I would agree with you on them possibly wanting a LiveScan requirement but remember this program is for out-of-state service members who are moving in state. CADOJ does process these so that the GI can bring his AWs with him when he moves. So, in order to make it less of a hassle (I know, we are talking about CADOJ, but they do seem to want to have the MAWP run smoothly), the GI would need to get the paperwork submitted before he came to CA, so, ink-rolled cards would need to be used.

pitchbaby
02-01-2010, 11:17 PM
Putting it that way, that is a very good point! Let's hope!

Aubie
02-02-2010, 6:03 AM
Thanks for the help!

pgg
02-02-2010, 6:07 AM
They are the old school ink cards. The application packet they'll send out includes them, partially filled out with the DOJ's info. No reason they can't be done before arriving in CA.

cryoguy
02-04-2010, 8:57 PM
Well what if you have been in Cali for a few years (still active duty) and want to register an assault weapon? Can you? Or are you screwed?

steelrain82
02-04-2010, 11:35 PM
i wish i would have known this stuff before when i was in the service. i passed on 2 ar-15s and 3 aks when i was stationed in va that a friend was selling all for 2 g's because he was getting a divorce and rather his wife get doo-doo

Quiet
02-05-2010, 6:27 AM
i wish i would have known this stuff before when i was in the service. i passed on 2 ar-15s and 3 aks when i was stationed in va that a friend was selling all for 2 g's because he was getting a divorce and rather his wife get doo-doo

You do know the MAWP is only good as long as you are on active-duty with orders for CA.
When you are no longer on active-duty and/or you get orders for another state, the assault weapons have to leave CA.

racky
02-10-2010, 9:21 AM
Well what if you have been in Cali for a few years (still active duty) and want to register an assault weapon? Can you? Or are you screwed?

+1. i would like to know too.

bondmid003
02-10-2010, 5:20 PM
+2 on that one, I've been here a year and this is the first I've heard of this

ke6guj
02-10-2010, 5:48 PM
you should be able to. Call CADOJ and get the paperwork, submit it, wait for approval, and then bring your firearms in from your home state.

Endless
04-03-2010, 8:32 AM
Great information here.

I know you can't bring the high capacity magazines with this permit but what about the short barrels, silencers, night vision thermal optics, or full automatic AWs? If we have tax stamps for these items and are on active duty orders can we legally bring these items into the state? I am assuming "no way". Just thought I would ask just incase I get stationed back in California.

I have to notify BATF when I move or PCS to another state but do I need the Chief of Police in the local area to sign off on these while we are stationed lets say in Alameda California? Thats what I had to do here.

Can someone clarify? Thanks

Quiet
04-03-2010, 9:30 AM
Great information here.

I know you can't bring the high capacity magazines with this permit but what about the short barrels, silencers, night vision thermal optics, or full automatic AWs? If we have tax stamps for these items and are on active duty orders can we legally bring these items into the state? I am assuming "no way". Just thought I would ask just incase I get stationed back in California.

I have to notify BATF when I move or PCS to another state but do I need the Chief of Police in the local area to sign off on these while we are stationed lets say in Alameda California? Thats what I had to do here.

Can someone clarify? Thanks

The Military Assault Weapons Permit is only good for Title 1 firearms classified as "assault weapons" under CA law.

Noise suppressors are restricted to LE/gov agencies and FFL/SOT dealers.
In order to possess a DD, MG, SBR or SBS in CA, you will need to get a Dangerous Weapons Permit.

IMO...
It's near impossible to get a Dangerous Weapons Permit. So, don't bother trying.
Also, there are yearly renewal fees ($165-1500 depending on amount of firearms) for the Dangerous Weapons Permit, in addition to other restrictions (firearms, vehicles & storage locations all need to be registered; also subject to yearly inspection audits).

Endless
04-03-2010, 3:29 PM
The Military Assault Weapons Permit is only good for Title 1 firearms classified as "assault weapons" under CA law.

Noise suppressors are restricted to LE/gov agencies and FFL/SOT dealers.
In order to possess a DD, MG, SBR or SBS in CA, you will need to get a Dangerous Weapons Permit.

IMO...
It's near impossible to get a Dangerous Weapons Permit. So, don't bother trying.
Also, there are yearly renewal fees ($165-1500 depending on amount of firearms) for the Dangerous Weapons Permit, in addition to other restrictions (firearms, vehicles & storage locations all need to be registered; also subject to yearly inspection audits).

Thank you very much for your time. This clears up a lot of things. I may just retire up here.

Do you know the timeline if someone applied for a Dangerous Weapons Permit?

You-Two
08-15-2010, 9:19 PM
I was going to start a new thread, but found this one and figured I'd just put it here. Attached is the paperwork I just recently received from the DOJ, including the actual application and their instructions/legalese handout. Basically nothing new, but figured it might help clear up some of the confusion down the road for military members PCSing to California.

I'm going to get the application sent in this week and let them do their thing while I'm deployed for a couple months. Just going to add a few ARs and leave it at that. Should be good for a carbine class or two and getting into some HighPower matches. Hope it passes muster!

WTSGDYBBR
08-15-2010, 9:38 PM
I take it the weapon is full auto. I know that if it is a Sig 556 it is legal to have as long as it configured with a non removal mag via bullet button and is semi auto . I have seen Sig 556 for sell at ammo brothers because I almost bought them many of times.

You-Two
08-15-2010, 9:43 PM
I take it the weapon is full auto. I know that if it is a Sig 556 it is legal to have as long as it configured with a non removal mag via bullet button and is semi auto . I have seen Sig 556 for sell at ammo brothers because I almost bought them many of times.

Read posts #2, 3 & 21.

This is to allow non-CA resident military members the ability to bring in so-called assault weapons when stationed here. Nothing too fancy, but the permit means you can bring in listed rifles and not have to use a bullet button or go featureless.

vocalpinoy
12-03-2010, 3:13 AM
I was going to start a new thread, but found this one and figured I'd just put it here. Attached is the paperwork I just recently received from the DOJ, including the actual application and their instructions/legalese handout. Basically nothing new, but figured it might help clear up some of the confusion down the road for military members PCSing to California.

I'm going to get the application sent in this week and let them do their thing while I'm deployed for a couple months. Just going to add a few ARs and leave it at that. Should be good for a carbine class or two and getting into some HighPower matches. Hope it passes muster!


Did you ever submit your application and if so, did it get approved? I'm just got orders back to California and have a few ARs to bring but doing some research, it seems that the form you posted was updated in April of this year. (BOF 4082 (Rev. 04/2010)) The new rule now states that you need an "Official letter signed by the applicant's Base Commander, establishing that a bona fide necessity exists for use of personal assault weapons in sanctioned military activities. The letter must include a current telephone number for the Base Commander's office." (direct quote from http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regagunfaqs.php#mawp)

OleCuss
12-03-2010, 4:45 AM
Did you ever submit your application and if so, did it get approved? I'm just got orders back to California and have a few ARs to bring but doing some research, it seems that the form you posted was updated in April of this year. (BOF 4082 (Rev. 04/2010)) The new rule now states that you need an "Official letter signed by the applicant's Base Commander, establishing that a bona fide necessity exists for use of personal assault weapons in sanctioned military activities. The letter must include a current telephone number for the Base Commander's office." (direct quote from http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regagunfaqs.php#mawp)

Yup!

And our beloved Jerry Brown doesn't seem to be fixing this one even though it is his department which is doing this. . . I believe that CGF is already in contact with the DOJ but I'm beginning to wonder if the plan isn't to let the current policy persist until Kamala Harris is in place and then sue her?

I dunno, but it seems odd that JB doesn't fix this one, given what we've been told about his attitude toward the law/2A.

Quser.619
12-03-2010, 4:13 PM
Yup!

And our beloved Jerry Brown doesn't seem to be fixing this one even though it is his department which is doing this. . . I believe that CGF is already in contact with the DOJ but I'm beginning to wonder if the plan isn't to let the current policy persist until Kamala Harris is in place and then sue her?

I dunno, but it seems odd that JB doesn't fix this one, given what we've been told about his attitude toward the law/2A.

While I hope I'm not right, I fear this will be the 1st of many 2A related items our Governor-elect will neglect.

Too bad so many hoops are placed before those that serve

You-Two
12-03-2010, 4:31 PM
Did you ever submit your application and if so, did it get approved? I'm just got orders back to California and have a few ARs to bring but doing some research, it seems that the form you posted was updated in April of this year. (BOF 4082 (Rev. 04/2010)) The new rule now states that you need an "Official letter signed by the applicant's Base Commander, establishing that a bona fide necessity exists for use of personal assault weapons in sanctioned military activities. The letter must include a current telephone number for the Base Commander's office." (direct quote from http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regagunfaqs.php#mawp)

As a matter of fact I did submit the app in August, but I haven't heard anything from the DOJ at all. Thanks for the reminder actually since it has been well past the 60-90 days they say. I sent it in before a two month deployment and figured they'd have it done by the time I got back. They should have at least called or mailed me if they decided to change the app after I sent it in! I'll give them a call on Monday and see what's up.

BTW - there is another thread here concerning all the recent drama with the MAWP process - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=341986