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oicw
01-07-2006, 8:10 PM
I'm in CA. and cals armory has the M4 model 11707 (pistol grip stock) which they will not ship to CA. At the bottom of cals armory webpage on the M4, they state that 11707 is not legal for sale in CA.

Is the Benelli M4 model 11707 (pistol grip stock) legal in CA.?

cals armory has the m4 in stock for $1350.00.

Heres the link:
http://www.calssportingarmory.com/BenelliM1014M4.htm



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MaceWindu
01-07-2006, 8:55 PM
Short answer?: Yes....


Mace

TonyM
01-07-2006, 9:16 PM
As Mace said: Yes, the 11707 is legal.

I've got the M1014 in that configuration.

Crappy pic, it was a quicky.

http://www.picturesbytony.com/M1014-1.jpg

oicw
01-09-2006, 7:19 PM
Is there a list of CA. approved shotguns?




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saki302
01-09-2006, 11:30 PM
ONLY illegal shotgun is a semi-auto shotgun with BOTH a collapsible/folding stock AND a pistol grip, or a semi-auto shotgun which fires from a detachable box magazine.

Buy anything else you feel like.

-Dave

fawndog
01-10-2006, 1:16 PM
I got my M4 in 2003, It was legal then(pistol grip+skeleton stock), sorry but now I'm not sure.

shopkeep
01-10-2006, 2:44 PM
Most semi-auto shotguns remain legal. Expect this to change once they've banned semi-auto handguns. I'm sure semi-auto shotguns will soon become a target for new gun bans.

oicw
01-11-2006, 12:11 AM
cals armory won't sell me the M4 model 11707 (pistol grip stock). I've emailed sellers on gunbroker and they tell me to check my local laws.




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shopkeep
01-11-2006, 9:01 AM
There are many legal firearms that most FFLs are afraid to sell in California. Because gun bans are happening so fast and so often most FFLs will avoid selling anything that looks like something other than a 4 shot hunting rifle here. Just look at how few FFLs are selling the latest .223 self loading rifles which are COMPLETELY 110% legal.

If you're looking to purchase a Benelli M4 model 11707 in Northern California, River City Gun Exchange in Sacramento sells them.

Hersir
01-11-2006, 12:10 PM
The M4/M1014 with pistol grip and fixed skeltonized stock is legal in California (my opinion and I think most others as well). The reason I've heard that some dealers are reluctant to sell that model is that the CA DOJ was a little iffy if the fixed skeletonized stock, which can be manipulated to move about a 1/4 inch if you really try), is therefore a fixed stock. I think most reasonable people would conclude it is and it would verge on the outlandish to try and convince a court or 12 jurors that it's collapsible because it can be manipulated a 1/4 inch or so. Some dealers are just erring on the side of extreme caution, which is their perogative. The standard stock and pistol grip combo is without doubt compliant.

82a1
01-11-2006, 1:46 PM
Bought my Benelli M4 with a regular stock and then replaced it with a standard pistol grip stock (perfectly legal). Would like to get another one, but haven't seen any for awhile around my area. As Shopkeep said, semi-auto shotties will most likely become a target of anti-gunners someday, so try to get one while you can.

BTW oicw, I have seen them on GunsAmerica.

oicw
01-12-2006, 7:34 PM
Now I am thinking of getting a pump if auto shotguns will be banned. The M4 will cost $1,500 or more, then it will be illegal to own.

Those living in San Francisco will have to give up their pistol collections and lose out on hundreds or thousands.




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monkey
01-13-2006, 1:25 PM
Cal's and many other distributors' issue with the #11707 is that it will accept the M1014 collpasible stock/pistol grip accessory kit. The 11707 recoil spring tube is the same as found on the military M1014 and this allows the use of the collapsible stock. The M1014 Limited Edition model with the fake collpasible stock that we all see in CA gun stores does not have a compatible spring tube, so it cannot accept this stock kit. Benelli also will not sell this spring tube as a spare part, so you cannot adapt your Limited Edition model to accept the real collapsible stock.

Long way around, Cal's Sporting Armory and others are a little concerned with being a part of supplying a shotgun that might end up with an illegal collpasible stock on it. While there's nothing illegal about the 11707 on its own, distributors are a little weary and some are deciding to not sell it to Californians. Totally within their rights. I also think Benelli might have "asked" their higher volume distributors to keep this shotgun out of California just to be safe.

Gnote
01-13-2006, 2:30 PM
This is directly from DOJ (http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/awguide.pdf). From page 82:


Shotguns
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or
vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

In the case of the Benelli above, it would fall under item 6 if it had BOTH a collapsible stock and pistol grip.

Don't get the optional collapsible stock (http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/m4.tpl) and you'll be fine.

monkey
01-13-2006, 3:33 PM
This is directly from DOJ (http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/awguide.pdf). From page 82:

In the case of the Benelli above, it would fall under item 6 if it had BOTH a collapsible stock and pistol grip.

Don't get the optional collapsible stock (http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/m4.tpl) and you'll be fine.

Ummmm, didn't I just say this? Of course it's an AW with the collpasible stock. That's why they hesitate, because it's too close for comfort.

FFLs are legally required to know the laws of the states to which they are selling their goods, all states not just their own. California gun laws are extremely confusing, especially to someone who doesn't need to keep up on them, like a high-volume retailer/distributor out of Denver (Cal's Sporting Armory). Just because a phone-in customer says it's legal doesn't mean it is and for him to spend his time verifying California law in order to make $200-$300 profit just isn't worth it. That same 11707 will be sold the next day to a customer in a less-confusing place like Arizona or Nevada. It's generally just not worth the trouble. I get this all the time.

Then there's the Stupid People Rule: People do stupid things and, as we all saw with the DC sniper case, other people will blame the firearm manufacturer and supplier. Bushmaster did nothing wrong, but it cost them a great deal of cash and a heavy PR hit in the end.

The 11707 being legal with either fixed stock, you shouldn't have any trouble finding another dealer to sell you one, just not this one.

oicw
01-13-2006, 10:08 PM
Gnote, where can you get a brand new M4 with a regular stock at a fair price? That is the problem.



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TonyM
01-13-2006, 10:17 PM
where can you get a brand new M4 with a regular stock at a fair price? That is the problem.


What are you thinking is a "fair price" ?

Sorry to say that at least up here, every place that sells Benelli's does so at or near to MSRP. The Auctions often go way up due to them being hard to find in alot of areas.

Basically, if you really want one just find a dealer that has one, or will order you one and buy it. You won't be dissappointed, I love my M1014.

Mesa Tactical
01-14-2006, 8:27 AM
Gnote, where can you get a brand new M4 with a regular stock at a fair price? That is the problem.

Maybe Gunbroker. M4s have been in short supply for the last nine months or so due to (it is rumored) military sales.

BTW, we just introduced these for the Benellis:

http://www.mesatactical.com/images/mesa_tactical_benelli_shell_holders_for_web.jpg

http://www.mesatactical.com/index.php?cPath=30_37

100% California-made.

oicw
01-15-2006, 12:01 AM
The Shell Holders for Benellis look real nice. I was hoping to get one for $1300 but I know I will have to pay a premium since benelli will not increase production on them.




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Jon
01-15-2006, 5:13 AM
Welcome Mesa. I've read many of your posts at Shotgunworld.com. :D

housefull
01-18-2006, 1:24 PM
The Shell Holders for Benellis look real nice. I was hoping to get one for $1300 but I know I will have to pay a premium since benelli will not increase production on them. http://nbox00.tripod.com

Just an idea.... try the benelli M-3 Super 90 tactical. Available w/pistolgrip and a very cool feature that allows it to function both as a semi-auto anda pump (for those special rounds) :D