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hector fimbres
01-31-2010, 9:34 AM
I would like to bring in an AR15 into california from a private owner in Arizona, I have done some homework and found that it needs to have a fixed clip with a 10 round max and needs to be transfered from a person/busisness with a FFl licence in Arizona (not a problem) to a person/busisness in california wih a FFL license, because of the touchy subject here in california I can not find anyone that will touch the transfer even with the appropriate modifications, can anyone provide some guidance and or help. Tks

Turo
01-31-2010, 9:39 AM
run it through the flowchart (http://calnra.com/cgi-bin/flowchart.cgi) to see if it's banned by name. If it is a Colt AR-15, or Armalite (i think), the lower receiver is not going to be able to be brought into the state. Also, here, only the lower receiver is considered the gun, so if you leave that out of state, you don't have to take the rest through an FFL.

My375hp302
01-31-2010, 9:40 AM
Start here...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=124678

frigginchi
01-31-2010, 9:57 AM
You can take the upper and have it shipped to you directly. Then find someone to DROS the lower. I'm sure that if you post up your location people will post up their recommended FFLs

dieselpower
01-31-2010, 12:08 PM
10 rd fixed magazine....AR15s use MAGZINES, clips are used to fill the magazine or on older firearms, but they still only fill the magazine.

end lingo rant

hector fimbres
01-31-2010, 12:13 PM
I have checked the flowchart, the gun is a Ruger SR556 and thing it is not on the list because its post ban, it has been fitted with a Prince 50 kit and will have all the evil features removed to make it CA legal prior to shipment. Parting out the gun is interesting, my only concern would be that it is a gift from a relative and would rather have it shippen in tact so there can be no reprocussions for doing anything illegal or tricky. I would like to find a FFL dealer that can do the transfer as is. Thanks to everyone for there input.

Rukus
01-31-2010, 12:40 PM
The Prince 50 maglock (when used properly) negates any evil features such as a pistol grip, flash hider, collapsible stock etc. There is nothing illegal or tricky about sending the upper and lower seperately. Uppers are not regulated and can be readily purchased without the use of an FFL, they ship to your door from whomever you buy them from. As was previously stated, only the lower needs to go through an FFL.

Dubster
01-31-2010, 12:42 PM
run it through the flowchart (http://calnra.com/cgi-bin/flowchart.cgi) to see if it's banned by name. If it is a Colt AR-15, or Armalite (i think), the lower receiver is not going to be able to be brought into the state. Also, here, only the lower receiver is considered the gun, so if you leave that out of state, you don't have to take the rest through an FFL.

I'm fairly new here. Not new to guns just new to AR's and all the ridiculous laws in CA. I've lived here all my life and never paid much attention to them until I decided to build an AR.

How does this crap make any sense at all? I can see absolutely no difference between one of the Lowers on the list and one that is not, other than their engraving.

Why do the citizens of California not enjoy the same rights as any other citizen of the United States of America? We're talking about somebody's personal property, presumably purchased legally and the only thing that keeps them from bringing it with them to California is what is engraved on the darned thing.

The State is trying to tell us what color vehicle you can drive and what kinds of food you can eat. Where does it end?

I'll stop now. :(

Dub

Cokebottle
01-31-2010, 12:48 PM
I have checked the flowchart, the gun is a Ruger SR556 and thing it is not on the list because its post ban, it has been fitted with a Prince 50 kit and will have all the evil features removed to make it CA legal prior to shipment.
Ya, Ruger 556 is good to go. With the P50 installed, the evil features do not have to be removed for shipping. It's GTG as it sits.


Which Prince50 kit? Is it the original P50 that locks with an allen screw, or is it the P50 Bullet Button?

Bullet Button is preferable because the screw-down P50 restricts you to top loading only.

IsaacGlass
01-31-2010, 1:22 PM
OP which part of Calif?

hector fimbres
01-31-2010, 1:55 PM
I have contacted a couple dealers and I got the feeling that the bullet button may not be CA legal because they were strongly against it or maybe it was for liability sakes, I will look further into it and see what I can find.

Cokebottle
01-31-2010, 2:03 PM
I have contacted a couple dealers and I got the feeling that the bullet button may not be CA legal because they were strongly against it or maybe it was for liability sakes, I will look further into it and see what I can find.
There are a lot of dealers that don't (or aren't willing to) understand the legitimacy of any "bullet button" type device.
Adding to the confusion is that most BB devices are marked with a disclaimer "Not DOJ Approved".
That's simply CYA for the manufacturer... the DOJ will never "approve" any BB device. They are legal. There have been a ton of "black rifles" confiscated by LEOs over the last 4 years, and not one successful prosecution for a legally-configured gun.
Two police agencies, Sacramento PD and Orange County SO, have issued training bulletins informing their officers that the BB is a legitimate configuration so long as a high-capacity magazine is not installed.

Just call around until you find an FFL willing to handle the transfer for a reasonable fee (don't pay $100 plus DROS).
What city are you in? There's a TON of them in SoCal.

hector fimbres
01-31-2010, 2:32 PM
I'm in Los Angeles close to long Beach, if anyone can refere me to one that would be a great help. Tks

aplinker
01-31-2010, 2:39 PM
my signature will help...

Independent Armory north, Riflegear south.

Cokebottle
01-31-2010, 2:41 PM
I'm in Los Angeles close to long Beach, if anyone can refere me to one that would be a great help. Tks
AKI Security Training 714.379.9115 Huntington B. - Jim Bowen 562.500.3633 (cell) / http://firearms-training.info
Suchar Enterprises 310.261.8806 Hawthorne - msuchar@earthlink.net
Entreprise Arms 626.962.8712 Irwindale - http://www.entreprise.com
O.C. Armory 949.768.5189 Laguna Hills
OC Indoor Shooting Range 714.529.0300 Brea
Ammo Bros 562.865.3980 Cerritos - http://www.ammobros.com
Rifle Gear 949.209.6413 Costa Mesa - www.riflegear.com (http://www.riflegear.com) / OLL friendly
J and J Armory 886.927.6679 Santa Ana
Ade's Gun Shop 714.744.3373 Orange

I know the following are "black rifle" friendly:
J&J, Rifle Gear, Ammo Bros, OC Armory, Entreprise Arms

Call them to verify, and to find out what their FFL fee is. Also mention that you are a CGN member... some offer discounts.