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supersteve9219
01-30-2010, 2:13 PM
Seems to be a lot of democratic hate on this forum, just wondering if there are any Democrats besides me here. I don't really see why everyone assumes if you support gun ownership and rights that your a Republican. Whats with the partisanship?

professorhard
01-30-2010, 2:15 PM
Nope. None here you're the first......

supersteve9219
01-30-2010, 2:18 PM
Nope. None here you're the first......
Well it seems like it sometimes :rolleyes:

97F1504RAD
01-30-2010, 2:20 PM
Many many years ago I was a Democrat, but when they began turning into Progressive Libs and wanted to strip me of my rights, I bailed and am not ever going back. My wife is in a Union and I personally hate the fact that they spend part of her union dues funding Dem's.

DedEye
01-30-2010, 2:23 PM
Yeah, there's a few, though you wouldn't know it from outward appearances.

Cokebottle
01-30-2010, 2:25 PM
What difference does the party name make?
There are plenty of liberal Democrats in office who claim to be and run for office as Republicans.

Bloomberg, Arnold, McCain, Bush....

mblat
01-30-2010, 2:28 PM
Seems to be a lot of democratic hate on this forum, just wondering if there are any Democrats besides me here. I don't really see why everyone assumes if you support gun ownership and rights that your a Republican. Whats with the partisanship?

used to have some Democrats and even outright socialists....... don't usually last too long.....
for several reasons, one being they can't understand simple instructions. For example this is "2nd Amend. Politics and Laws" subforum. You questions clearly doesn't belong here, but in general area. :p

One more serious note. I do not know about Dems. in Arizona, Texas and Vermont. But in CA Dems == gun hater. Yes, it is perception. Yes it is unfair. Yes it is irrational and what is worse- it is counterproductive.
But it is what it is. Your comrades in the state legislate and local governments had worked VERY hard to get YOU this label. It isn't your fault. But you end up living with it.
What an advise? Just stay away for "General Area". I am for one welcome as diverse population as we can get. But if you will read enough threads in "general" and start posting a lot there your life on this forum won't last long.

If you want "liberal friendly" gun forum - here it is:
http://guntards.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=3

Has hundred or so members (many of them CG exiles ) and new threads couple times a week.

Knauga
01-30-2010, 2:37 PM
I don't care about your party affiliation. If you're pro-gun we can stick with just that and you're ok with me. ;)

I would hope you would work within your own party to get them to pull their collective heads out of their collective backsides when it comes to gun rights. I expect the same of Republicans.

I would discourage anybody here from chasing off any pro-gun folks regardless of their party.

Fot
01-30-2010, 2:41 PM
A few, but everyone keeps that on the down low.. Hard to fit in here if your not a Republican, christian you know.

hoffmang
01-30-2010, 3:00 PM
They're here but this is a tough crowd (even though it shouldn't be.)

-Gene

BadIndianSwamp
01-30-2010, 3:06 PM
Taken from
http://joevirzi.blogspot.com/

There may be some language that get's bleeped, but this is a short commentary on political parties that someone emailed me.

Wednesday, January 20, 2010
You are most likely NOT a Liberal. DUMBASS!
If I get one more person who "Thinks" They're a "Liberal" coming up to me crying about the great state of California RAISING their TAXES! I'm gonna PUNCH them in the face! Listen here's the deal-If you're against the war-and for Abortion and don't care if Gays or Blacks and Whites marry-That does not make you a LIBERAL! Jeez-us H Christ! A Lib is someone who wants to pay as much taxes as they can for Social programs (Wellfare-Food stamps-Sec 8-etc...) A Liberal leans more towards communism. It's all of us together! Paying for one another. A Liberal IS NOT Some one who thinks because they are not racist they are a liberal!-So please people be aware of what YOU ARE-Before you go out and vote! Because if you vote to the LEFT! and your TAXES GO UP! It's your GODDAMN FAULT! And therefore you need ME to punch you in the face! Know the difference between a social Liberal-and a true Liberal-Stop screwing me in the *** PLEASE!

Paul E
01-30-2010, 3:08 PM
Not a dem, but probably voting for one for governor

Window_Seat
01-30-2010, 3:11 PM
Here. And I'm of the opinion that being a (D) doesn't automatically make you a GC lover.

I'm in favor of:

Legalizing Marijuana (without taxing it out of existence, oops...)
Stem Cell Research
Health Care Reform (when it doesn't force me to buy into it or is run by the Government)
Life
Death (for serious rapists & killers)
Tort reform
Tax reform (so we actually put the money in our pockets)
National debt reform
Annihilating terrorists without permission from the U.N.
Turning the U.N. Building into a permanent shelter for the homeless


I'm against:

Rights for terrorists
Unlawful searches of non-terrorists
Trials for terrorists
Punishing businesses because they profited
Excessive liability
Property tax
Death tax
Anything other than a fair tax (wait, there's no such thing as a fair tax)
And of course, GUN CONTROL


And too many other things to list.

I will not vote for ANY of the (D)s this November because they are all full of (pre-edited) and can't count from 1-10 without missing everything in between unless it fits their own personal agenda.

There are very few (not even enough to fit all fingers on one hand) lawmakers on the hill who are honest, but they aren't going to be there for too much longer, and that's what bothers me the most. Show me a Congressman, Senator Assemblyman, and anyone in between who is honest and can count. I'll vote for that person no matter what letter is next to their name.

Erik.

Fot
01-30-2010, 3:14 PM
Taken from
http://joevirzi.blogspot.com/

There may be some language that get's bleeped, but this is a short commentary on political parties that someone emailed me.

Wednesday, January 20, 2010
You are most likely NOT a Liberal. DUMBASS!
If I get one more person who "Thinks" They're a "Liberal" coming up to me crying about the great state of California RAISING their TAXES! I'm gonna PUNCH them in the face! Listen here's the deal-If you're against the war-and for Abortion and don't care if Gays or Blacks and Whites marry-That does not make you a LIBERAL! Jeez-us H Christ! A Lib is someone who wants to pay as much taxes as they can for Social programs (Wellfare-Food stamps-Sec 8-etc...) A Liberal leans more towards communism. It's all of us together! Paying for one another. A Liberal IS NOT Some one who thinks because they are not racist they are a liberal!-So please people be aware of what YOU ARE-Before you go out and vote! Because if you vote to the LEFT! and your TAXES GO UP! It's your GODDAMN FAULT! And therefore you need ME to punch you in the face! Know the difference between a social Liberal-and a true Liberal-Stop screwing me in the *** PLEASE!

Oh please come punch me in the face.. pretty pretty please..

Post like this is why it's easier just to play up to the gun owner republican stereotype...

DedEye
01-30-2010, 3:18 PM
Oh please come punch me in the face.. pretty pretty please..

Post like this is why it's easier just to play up to the gun owner republican stereotype...

...And that is why most Democrats on this forum don't make themselves known, and why there are so few of them.

Josh3239
01-30-2010, 3:22 PM
Being a democrat against gun control is like being in PETA but working at a slaughterhouse. No matter what your personal feelings are the elected democrats are going to push an anti-2A agenda. So no you aren't supporting gun control, but you are supporting those who not only support but will push gun control. IMO, pick a side, don't stand in the middle of the road.

DedEye
01-30-2010, 3:25 PM
Being a democrat against gun control is like being in PETA but working at a slaughterhouse. No matter what your personal feelings are the elected democrats are going to push an anti-2A agenda. So no you aren't supporting gun control, but you are supporting those who not only support but will push gun control. IMO, pick a side, don't stand in the middle of the road.

You're wrong. (http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116061596790090051-fUvEm9ne6ODxqV9tlTRr4SPzk9E_20061110.html?mod=tff_ main_tff_top)

Hopi
01-30-2010, 3:28 PM
Being a democrat against gun control is like being in PETA but working at a slaughterhouse. No matter what your personal feelings are the elected democrats are going to push an anti-2A agenda. So no you aren't supporting gun control, but you are supporting those who not only support but will push gun control. IMO, pick a side, don't stand in the middle of the road.

Fortunately, most intelligent people come equipped at birth with cones (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/rodcone.html)...

Fot
01-30-2010, 3:34 PM
Being a democrat against gun control is like being in PETA but working at a slaughterhouse. No matter what your personal feelings are the elected democrats are going to push an anti-2A agenda. So no you aren't supporting gun control, but you are supporting those who not only support but will push gun control. IMO, pick a side, don't stand in the middle of the road.

Lets see Obama and a democratic house and senate should have equalled no guns right? Full bans and the such? Cause we know every democrat ever alive hates guns and wants to piss on the 2nd. Wasn't that why getting an ar this time last year was so hard.. those Democrats were taking our guns?

Fot
01-30-2010, 3:38 PM
Lets look at this Meg whitman (R) looks anti gun, J Brown (D) looks pro gun.... what? Huh ?

Hopi
01-30-2010, 3:42 PM
Lets see Obama and a democratic house and senate should have equalled no guns right? Full bans and the such? Cause we know every democrat ever alive hates guns and wants to piss on the 2nd. Wasn't that why getting an ar this time last year was so hard.. those Democrats were taking our guns?

also, I can't remember, but was it a Democrat President's Administration that submitted a brief in opposition of Heller? ;)

johnthomas
01-30-2010, 3:45 PM
Prior to Obama, I was a Democrat. I never paid much attention to politics. I saw Obama on Jay Leno, He sounded great, as I watched it dawned on me that this guy is all fluff and packaged. I started research on the my party of choice and hated what I saw. I changed to republican, I did not vote for Obama. This guy thinks he is Robin Hood, take from the rich and give to the poor, only he is taking from the middle class and letting the rich and poor have it all. Government is bigger, social programs are bigger, tax's are bigger and our rights keep getting smaller. The Democrats are giving America away, I hope I didn't wait to long to change. I don't adhere to everything Republican, but individualism is what made America great. American's are opening their eyes. If Obama has done anything good for this country, I would say he woke us up and made us realize he and his party are socialist and their agenda reflects that.

DedEye
01-30-2010, 3:49 PM
Prior to Obama, I was a Democrat. I never paid much attention to politics. I saw Obama on Jay Leno, He sounded great, as I watched it dawned on me that this guy is all fluff and packaged. I started research on the my party of choice and hated what I saw. I changed to republican, I did not vote for Obama. This guy thinks he is Robin Hood, take from the rich and give to the poor, only he is taking from the middle class and letting the rich and poor have it all. Government is bigger, social programs are bigger, tax's are bigger and our rights keep getting smaller. The Democrats are giving America away, I hope I didn't wait to long to change. I don't adhere to everything Republican, but individualism is what made America great. American's are opening their eyes. If Obama has done anything good for this country, I would say he woke us up and made us realize he and his party are socialist and their agenda reflects that.

Do you have to change party affiliation to vote against one individual?

Fot
01-30-2010, 3:53 PM
also, I can't remember, but was it a Democrat President's Administration that submitted a brief in opposition of Heller? ;)

Was it a republican governor that let AB 962 pass? And should we all vote for Meg Whitman to insure or gun rights?

johnthomas
01-30-2010, 3:53 PM
Do you have to change party affiliation to vote against one individual?

In some of the races your stuck with your party, for President you vote your conscience. Which by the way is the reason I changed to Republican, my conscience bothered me. lol

DedEye
01-30-2010, 3:54 PM
Was it a republican governor that let AB 962 pass? And should we all vote for Meg Whitman to insure or gun rights?

Whoosh.

In some of the races your stuck with your party, for President you vote your conscience. Which by the way is the reason I changed to Republican, my conscience bothered me. lol

Is the general presidential election one where you're stuck with your party, or can you vote across party lines?

Don't forget the ability to vote in primaries.

Fot
01-30-2010, 3:55 PM
Prior to Obama, I was a Democrat. I never paid much attention to politics. I saw Obama on Jay Leno, He sounded great, as I watched it dawned on me that this guy is all fluff and packaged. I started research on the my party of choice and hated what I saw. I changed to republican, I did not vote for Obama. This guy thinks he is Robin Hood, take from the rich and give to the poor, only he is taking from the middle class and letting the rich and poor have it all. Government is bigger, social programs are bigger, tax's are bigger and our rights keep getting smaller. The Democrats are giving America away, I hope I didn't wait to long to change. I don't adhere to everything Republican, but individualism is what made America great. American's are opening their eyes. If Obama has done anything good for this country, I would say he woke us up and made us realize he and his party are socialist and their agenda reflects that.

Much how large portions of America felt after GW.. such a crazy ebb and flow..

Lone_Gunman
01-30-2010, 4:02 PM
Although I am registered as "Decline to State" I in fact think of myself as a Libertarian. I try to vote issues over party and will be supporting Brown for gov due to his supporting 2A issues and Libertarian leanings. My main issue with "Liberals" is they want to regulate too damn many aspects of my life and they want to take the money I work hard for and give it away.

Fot
01-30-2010, 4:04 PM
What gets me is the people that solely look at the (R) or (D) after a candidates names.. I vote more democrats then republican.. I also vote more for the PERSON then the PARTY.

DedEye
01-30-2010, 4:06 PM
Although I am registered as "Decline to State" I in fact think of myself as a Libertarian. I try to vote issues over party and will be supporting Brown for gov due to his supporting 2A issues and Libertarian leanings. My main issue with "Liberals" is they want to regulate too damn many aspects of my life and they want to take the money I work hard for and give it away.

Funny, that's how a lot of people feel about "conservatives.

Window_Seat
01-30-2010, 4:10 PM
If you claim to be aware of how the political machines operate, but still vote with one party line regardless, then you are too naive to understand how any political machine operates.

Erik.

Argonaut
01-30-2010, 4:22 PM
The current batch of (Damn) Democrats are just a different shade of communist. The Democratic party has it's roots in the slave south. It always amazes me how they have turned there original states rights and slavery stands 180% in the last 40 years. It was people like Al Gore's father and Robert Byrd that always voted against equal rights and other ideas that the (Damn) Democrats have embraced as of late. They are populist whores that will do and say anything that they perceive will get them elected. Not that we haven't had some poor excuses for a Republican too but like a lot of things, Would you rather have Grey Davis or John Carey? Think where we might be then..............My Great Great Civil war Vet Grandfather was adamant about the evil of the democratic party. His tombstone in Delano reads "He was a Lifelong REPUBLICAN and defender of liberty" They used to have riots in central California between ex Union and confederate soldiers.

Meplat
01-30-2010, 4:23 PM
I'll bet there are a lot more than you think. They just don't see any reason to beat a dead horse. I was a Reg. D until I watched the zoo that was the D convention that nominated Geo. McGovern. Now I register Libertarian if they have anything interesting going on in the primaries. That's not often. So I usually register R so I can support the more libertarian Rs.

From the opinions I see expressed here I believe that the overwhelming majority on this forum are libertarians even if they dont realize it.

For points of reference: Thomas Jefferson and most of the other founders were Liberals. Baroc Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the Rev. Right are Progressives. Progressives coopted the term 'Liberal' after the general public recognized early 20th century Progressives for the totalitarians they were. They so sullied the term Liberal that true classical Liberals started calling themselves Libertarians.

...And that is why most Democrats on this forum don't make themselves known, and why there are so few of them.

chiz
01-30-2010, 4:27 PM
I'm a democrat but I find that it is easier to keep my mouth shut around here then to constantly fight with other people about there views. I jioned this forum because I like guns. I want to learn more about guns and gun laws and what I can do to help ensure our 2nd ammendment rights. If I want to talk about Jesus, abortion, gays, and welfare I'll go some where else.

DedEye
01-30-2010, 4:28 PM
The current batch of (Damn) Democrats are just a different shade of communist. The Democratic party has it's roots in the slave south. It always amazes me how they have turned there original states rights and slavery stands 180% in the last 40 years. It was people like Al Gore's father and Robert Byrd that always voted against equal rights and other ideas that the (Damn) Democrats have embraced as of late. They are populist whores that will do and say anything that they perceive will get them elected. Not that we haven't had some poor excuses for a Republican too but like a lot of things, Would you rather have Grey Davis or John Carey? Think where we might be then..............My Great Great Civil war Vet Grandfather was adamant about the evil of the democratic party. His tombstone in Delano reads "He was a Lifelong REPUBLICAN and defender of liberty" They used to have riots in central California between ex Union and confederate soldiers.

Neat. More reasoned discourse grounded in 150 year old political definitions.

Meplat
01-30-2010, 4:33 PM
Lets see Obama and a democratic house and senate should have equalled no guns right? Full bans and the such? Cause we know every democrat ever alive hates guns and wants to piss on the 2nd. Wasn't that why getting an ar this time last year was so hard.. those Democrats were taking our guns?

Democrats don't want to take your guns. Progressives masquerading as democrats do. There are enough pro-gun democrats and repubs to make most gun control as dangerous to mess with as social security.

Fot
01-30-2010, 4:38 PM
The current batch of (Damn) Democrats are just a different shade of communist. They also burn flags, worship the devil and don't tip %8

The Democratic party has it's roots in the slave south. ???? Ok explain as I'm either clueless or curious

It always amazes me how they have turned there original states rights and slavery stands 180% in the last 40 years. It was people like Al Gore's father and Robert Byrd that always voted against equal rights and other ideas that the (Damn) Democrats have embraced as of late. Ok so IF this is true and they finally saw the light why hold that against them?

They are populist whores that will do and say anything that they perceive will get them elected.
Ok I'm a whore.. but it's hard to beat woman off me all the time.. seriously

Not that we haven't had some poor excuses for a Republican too but like a lot of things, Would you rather have Grey Davis or John Carey?

Or Grey over Terminator?? But again lets not get caught up with the every single D or R stands for that party..


Think where we might be then..............My Great Great Civil war Vet Grandfather was adamant about the evil of the democratic party. His tombstone in Delano reads "He was a Lifelong REPUBLICAN and defender of liberty" They used to have riots in central California between ex Union and confederate soldiers.

My grandfather was a Democrat who was shot up in Saipan and Iwo, my uncle a democrat was KIA in Vietnam. Does one of our family triumph the other? . No we are still free to have our own thoughts.. rights..

Fot
01-30-2010, 4:46 PM
I'll bet there are a lot more than you think. They just don't see any reason to beat a dead horse. I was a Reg. D until I watched the zoo that was the D convention that nominated Geo. McGovern. Now I register Libertarian if they have anything interesting going on in the primaries. That's not often. So I usually register R so I can support the more libertarian Rs.

From the opinions I see expressed here I believe that the overwhelming majority on this forum are libertarians even if they dont realize it.

For points of reference: Thomas Jefferson and most of the other founders were Liberals. Baroc Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the Rev. Right are Progressives. Progressives coopted the term 'Liberal' after the general public recognized early 20th century Progressives for the totalitarians they were. They so sullied the term Liberal that true classical Liberals started calling themselves Libertarians.

very true.. think if we all did a political test view per view few of us would be a R or D.. But as those look to be the only two choices and we get forced between that's all we know

Hopi
01-30-2010, 4:49 PM
Was it a republican governor that let AB 962 pass? And should we all vote for Meg Whitman to insure or gun rights?

Whoosh.





LOL. No kidding.

Fot- Do you know what Heller is? Do you know whom the President was when that went before SCOTUS?

Meplat
01-30-2010, 4:50 PM
No, you change affiliation to have an impact on the course of whatever party you think may prove best in the long run. For instance, I will most likely vote for brown but I will remain a registered R to have input into their primaries.

Do you have to change party affiliation to vote against one individual?

mblat
01-30-2010, 4:50 PM
The Democratic party has it's roots in the slave south. ???? Ok explain as I'm either clueless or curious

You seem to be. While I am not sure to relevancy to this particular discussion Democratic party has it's roots in the slave south. That happened to be historical fact.


For points of reference: Thomas Jefferson and most of the other founders were Liberals. Baroc Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the Rev. Right are Progressives.

Isn't that Progressive just another word for socialist? <shrugs>. That is said - your point is well taken. Current crop of Dems. has nothing to do with traditional liberalism.

Originally Posted by Fot View Post
Was it a republican governor that let AB 962 pass? And should we all vote for Meg Whitman to insure or gun rights?

So Republicans suck too. What is your point? Nobody saying that are perfect or even decent. It just CA democrats are evil incarnate. :D

supersteve9219
01-30-2010, 4:50 PM
used to have some Democrats and even outright socialists....... don't usually last too long.....
for several reasons, one being they can't understand simple instructions. For example this is "2nd Amend. Politics and Laws" subforum. You questions clearly doesn't belong here, but in general area. :p
Sorry, I thought it was 2nd Amend, Politics, and Laws. Seems like this would fit under "Politics".

Just stay away for "General Area". I am for one welcome as diverse population as we can get. But if you will read enough threads in "general" and start posting a lot there your life on this forum won't last long.

If you want "liberal friendly" gun forum - here it is:
http://guntards.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=3

Has hundred or so members (many of them CG exiles ) and new threads couple times a week.

Seems terrible that even though I like this forum and enjoy the discussions that I should leave because I am not a Republican.

Being a democrat against gun control is like being in PETA but working at a slaughterhouse. No matter what your personal feelings are the elected democrats are going to push an anti-2A agenda. So no you aren't supporting gun control, but you are supporting those who not only support but will push gun control. IMO, pick a side, don't stand in the middle of the road.

Its that kind of partisanship that makes it impossible for anything to get done in this country.

DedEye
01-30-2010, 4:51 PM
No, you change affiliation to have an impact on the course of whatever party you think may prove best in the long run. For instance, I will most likely vote for brown but I will remain a registered R to have input into their primaries.

Makes perfect sense to me.

DedEye
01-30-2010, 4:54 PM
Sorry, I thought it was 2nd Amend, Politics, and Laws. Seems like this would fit under "Politics".

It's not. It's 2nd Amend. Politics and Laws. The period seems to get a lot of people confused.

Perhaps it should be removed and replaced with "2nd Amendment Politics and Laws."

Seems terrible that even though I like this forum and enjoy the discussions that I should leave because I am not a Republican.

Then don't.

Its that kind of partisanship that makes it impossible for anything to get done in this country.

Duh.

mblat
01-30-2010, 4:54 PM
Seems terrible that even though I like this forum and enjoy the discussions that I should leave because I am not a Republican.

You shouldn't. I would prefer for all Dems. and even progressives to stay..... However - it is matter of numbers. Unless you will refrain from participating in "political" discussion you will get WAY too much abuse. Most people can't handle it. It is like going on DailyKos and trying to be pro-gun.
BTW: you do know that thing about posting in wrong forum was a joke, right? It is indicated as such by smiley.

Fot
01-30-2010, 4:54 PM
LOL. No kidding.

Fot- Do you know what Heller is? Do you know whom the President was when that went before SCOTUS?

Wasn't it the great GW?

DedEye
01-30-2010, 4:55 PM
Wasn't it the great GW?

Yes... Did you connect the dots yet?

Fot
01-30-2010, 5:00 PM
You seem to be. While I am not sure to relevancy to this particular discussion Democratic party has it's roots in the slave south. That happened to be historical fact. [B[/B]:D

So obama is pro slavery?

Fot
01-30-2010, 5:03 PM
Yes... Did you connect the dots yet?

That some repubs are anti gun? I tried to make that point before guess I wasn't clear enough? Or am I still still missing something..lol

DedEye
01-30-2010, 5:06 PM
That some repubs are anti gun? I tried to make that point before guess I wasn't clear enough? Or am I still still missing something..lol

Understanding when people are agreeing with you fail. (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=3726732&postcount=21)

In other words, yes, that was Hopi's point as well.

The Bush Administration Solicitor General argued against Heller.

mblat
01-30-2010, 5:10 PM
So obama is pro slavery?

You are trying to present what is called "false choice". Yes, democratic party has it's roots in slave south. Yes, KKK is democrat's invention. Yes until very recently we had Democratic Senators who used to be members of KKK.
No, it doesn't mean that Obama is pro-slavery or that I think that he is.
Obama is progressive, which is code word for socialist. Kind of like neo-con means "former democrat, with high possibility of being a Jew, who became Republican". Like Bush. ( not Jew as far as I know LOL)

BTW: one more time. You are missing a point. Republicans are not perfect. Especially in CA, they sign ton of anti-gun and tax raising laws. However, while they can and often ambivalent to gun rights, they are very rarely ACTIVELY anti-gun. They are lesser or two evils......

Fot
01-30-2010, 5:10 PM
Understanding when people are agreeing with you fail. (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=3726732&postcount=21)

In other words, yes, that was Hopi's point as well.

The Bush Administration Solicitor General argued against Heller.

I know.. Sorry I tend to be a sarcastict type when making a point .. I know he was on the same side of the arguement..guess I need to use the gay smilies more..

DedEye
01-30-2010, 5:11 PM
I know.. Sorry I tend to be a sarcastict type when making a point .. I know he was on the same side of the arguement..guess I need to use the gay smilies more..

Why are you being homophobic

Aren't you supposed to be a Democrat?

Fot
01-30-2010, 5:20 PM
Why are you being homophobic

Aren't you supposed to be a Democrat?

Hey I supposrt there right to marry..still don't like the lifestyle.. crazy huh?

Fot
01-30-2010, 5:20 PM
......You are trying to present what is called "false choice". Yes, democratic party has it's roots in slave south. Honestly I will have to research which was the major parties sides with this.. I do not know and i will not take you at face value on this.. just being honest

Yes, KKK is democrat's invention.I find that hard to believe, doesn't fall with in that liberal line of thinking.....




Yes until very recently we had Democratic Senators who used to be members of KKK. Was David Duke a democrat?


No, it doesn't mean that Obama is pro-slavery or that I think that he is.
Obama is progressive, which is code word for socialist. Kind of like neo-con means "former democrat, with high possibility of being a Jew, who became Republican".

BTW: one more time. You are missing a point. Republicans are not perfect. Neither are democrats

Especially in CA, AGREED ESP for said Democrats


they sign ton of anti-gun and tax raising laws. However, while they can and often ambivalent to gun rights, they are very rarely ACTIVELY anti-gun. They are lesser or two evils......

Meplat
01-30-2010, 5:27 PM
Isn't that Progressive just another word for socialist? . That is said - your point is well taken. Current crop of Dems. has nothing to do with traditional liberalism.
:D

Actually it's more like Marxism light. Including eugenics and euthanasia of useless eaters. The only difference is that Progressives aim to attain their goals through slow incremental 'progress' rather than the Marxist model of revolution.

Argonaut
01-30-2010, 5:28 PM
There are definitely bad Republicans, But the conversation is Democrat/Republican. As a group they are far more likely to allow your freedoms and liberty than the Democrats. We seldom see the back stories, (Why Arnold banned the 50 cals for instance) He probably traded the 50BMG ban off for a more oppressive law somewhere else. That is how the game is played. The bottom line is who will allow the most FREEDOM in society. We need to be free to succeed or fail on our own accord. That is why we have been so successful as a nation and the melting pot that we are. When Banks or companies are not allowed to profit or fail on there own decisions we have lost freedom. We will all pay for it, and soon. Who would lend money to a small business if they have a guaranteed no risk return from the government? I have had the opportunity to travel the world, the only difference between East and West Germany was Communism, The people are the same, the resources are the same, but East Germany could not even feed it's own people. These lessons have been learned every time they are tried throughout history. The Pilgrims tried to have a Communist (socialist communal) society when they came to the new world.....They starved (as a group) until they decided to give every family there own land and the profit that it produced. Then there was plenty. The Early Mormons had the same experience. How many times do we have to relearn the same lessons. If Obama wanted to make the economy recover....how about instead of spending billions in bailouts, just have a 2 year income tax moratorium for everyone. It would cost the same and the economy would roar back like never before. He doesn't have the courage to let up on the national oppression that we call income tax. Does anyone know when income tax was first made legal? (After being declared unconstitutional in 1866) It was 1913 less than 100 years ago.

mblat
01-30-2010, 5:29 PM
Yes, KKK is democrat's invention.I find that hard to believe, doesn't fall with in that liberal line of thinking.....


<Shrugs> Even seen "Gone with the Wind?" All those "nice slave owners" were Democrats.

Was David Duke a democrat?
No, he was Republican. I meant Robert Byrd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

DedEye
01-30-2010, 5:34 PM
......

You suffer from cognitive dissonance and an unfortunate ignorance of the roots of the Democratic party.

Likewise, people who think that those roots are still relevant or accurate in understanding the modern Democratic party have an unfortunate ignorance of reality.

There are definitely bad Republicans, But the conversation is Democrat/Republican. As a group they are far more likely to allow your freedoms and liberty than the Democrats.

You're right. That explains why Republicans are in favor of gay rights today.

He doesn't have the courage to let up on the national oppression that we call income tax. Does anyone know when income tax was first made legal? (After being declared unconstitutional in 1866) It was 1913 less than 100 years ago.

Should he also abolish the FED and return the US to the gold standard?

vantec08
01-30-2010, 5:39 PM
The present dem. party doesnt resemble ANYTHING like the Jeffersonian party, which was about work and thrift, home and hearth. It was the origins of "family values" and sensible economics. It has mutated into something totally unrecognizeable. Envy and jealousy and including-criminals-as-a-constituency have been platformed into it. Unfortunately, it is going on its 3rd generation of "progressive change" so it probably cant return to its roots. I'm no diehard GOPer, but it would be beyond hypocracy for me to claim democrat affiliation. If you do, thats your business.

mblat
01-30-2010, 5:40 PM
You suffer from cognitive dissonance and an unfortunate ignorance of the roots of the Democratic party.

Likewise, people who think that those roots are still relevant or accurate in understanding the modern Democratic party have an unfortunate ignorance of reality.

Here we go - my point exactly

You're right. That explains why Republicans are in favor of gay rights today.

Problem with being gun right supporter is that left hate guns and right hate rights..... sorry couldn't help myself.. :D

Should he also abolish the FED and return the US to the gold standard?

Ask Ron Paul :p

Kestryll
01-30-2010, 5:41 PM
Apparently Calguns has idiots of both political stripe and they are posting in this very thread.

Yes, I called you IDIOTS!!

I read this whole damned thread and neither 'side' can claim innocence or say that they're not the ones acting like fools and stirring up crap.

BOTH packs of morons are trying so desperately in this thread to attack the point of view of other and defend their point of view, and be obnoxious little thug trolls in the process, that they've completely forgotten that the topic of this thread was why is there so much divisiveness here!!!

If you posted in this thread anywhere after post 10, go look in the mirror.
That person you are staring at, THAT is the JACKASS causing the division and strife between ideologies!!

HINT:
Posts that start out with 'Oh yeah? Well what about...' or 'Well 'X' did this..' is third grade argumentation at BEST!
I can not believe I have to say this to grown adults!

How about this, instead of spending 50+ posts telling someone that their views are foolish and yours are just too cool, just shut your damn hole and move on to something CONSTRUCTIVE!?!?!

I am SOO tired of people stirring the pot, agitating crap and then complaining and crying 'victim' when people respond!

BOTH sides do it, it's useless, a waste of time and detrimental.
THAT is why it is idiotic!

This thread is done, before jumping in to the next ideological slugfest, engage your brain before posting, chances are you'll realize you're not helping and are fanning the flames.

Kestryll
01-31-2010, 3:26 PM
Upon reflection and out of the moment of anger I think calling people 'idiots' was both uncalled for and wrong.
I could send this to the various parties as a PM but I made my statement in public and that is where this needs to be done too.

I do feel that that the continued bickering is coming from both sides and that those doing it are not helping anyone and I still stand by my statement that it is foolish.

However no matter what the case, calling people idiots is not acceptable.

To all in this thread, please accept my apology.