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ysr_racer
01-30-2010, 12:53 PM
Any ideas?

nat
01-30-2010, 1:03 PM
There are a number of threads with various opinions.

SKSer
01-30-2010, 1:10 PM
Seriously, I will defend my Gun Rights till the end, and Jerry Brown is showing to be the most gun friendly and Pro-2a, but all of his other policies scare the crap out of me, he will let this state go down in flames supporting global warming, he has proven by his speeches that he does not care what it effects, economy, business growth, jobs, and he will sue anyone that doesnt go along with him. Global Warming is his baby. The other thing is he has been so wish washy in his past, that he could be pro gun now, but could turn against us at any moment. The major problem as ALWAYS is we dont have have much to choose from. I like some of Meg Whitmans ideas, but her anti-gun policy washes any of that out for me. Sooo once again, who can I vote for? listen to this john and ken segment on Jerry Brown http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?redir=yes&mps=kfijohnken.php&mid=http://media.ccomrcdn.com/media/station_content/616/JK0129103P_1264821958_23038.mp3?CPROG=PCAST?CCOMRR MID&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=LOSANGELES-CA&NG_FORMAT=talk&NG_ID=kfi640am&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=&SERVER_NAME=www.kfiam640.com&SITE_ID=616&STATION_ID=KFI-AM&TRACK=

bwiese
01-30-2010, 1:10 PM
Jerry Brown has repeatedly and publicly supported the notion the RKBA is an individual right, long before Nordyke, Chicago, etc.

Various changes over the past 3 years at DOJ BoF seem to correlate with this, along with filing an amicus brief to the Supremes in support of the above
(and not joining with the antis on Heller).

DedEye
01-30-2010, 1:17 PM
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sgtbuck
01-30-2010, 1:38 PM
Be very carful of Jerry Brown... Look very closely at his past and what he really stands for. Take a close look at CARB and who started it and what they have been up to.

What good does RKBA do us if we are taxed so bad we can afford to buy food and ammo????

We are in a mess here in Cali and it will take a very special leader to get us out of it. I have yet seen anyone able to fit the bill.

SKSer
01-30-2010, 1:47 PM
Jerry Brown has repeatedly and publicly supported the notion the RKBA is an individual right, long before Nordyke, Chicago, etc.

Various changes over the past 3 years at DOJ BoF seem to correlate with this, along with filing an amicus brief to the Supremes in support of the above
(and not joining with the antis on Heller).




believe me bud, I do trust your judgement, and as far as RKBA goes, I believe Jerry brown is by far the best candidate, no question. Im just concearned about his other policies, some of the stuff that is coming out is scary, I mean dictator like stuff. They played a clip on the john and ken show, and I wish I could find a link to it, but it was him in a meeting with a bunch of city officials, and he was basically telling them " you do what I say, or I will sue you. If you do what I say, you will become more poular, I will become less popular, and everyone will be happy". It might be in their segment above. but he is supporting the stupid diesel bill that is forcing everone to upgrade their engines and causing a ton of jobs to leave California. This is effecting my family personally. The worst part about this bill, is the whole study that caused this bill was done by a guy from the Air Resources Board, who was just proven to have bought one of the online degrees, and the data used wasnt even from here, it was from Virginia (I think) and from the 1980's.

and to add, Im not saying I am not voting for him but on one note, I want to vote for him for the pro gun issue, but on another note my brother works in the trucking industry and is also pro gun, if nothing is done about the deisel bill that Jerry Brown supports, there is a good chance that my brother will move out of the state, and we would loose another pro gunner. Now imagine all the people that work as truck drivers, or heavy equipment operators, or in the constrution industry in general, im willing to bet, many, many of them are pro gun, and they could also have to relocate to find work. Think of how many pro gunners we could potentially lose. Like im saying, I am still undecided, this is a very hard voting decision coming up for me.

wildhawker
01-30-2010, 2:01 PM
JB is the closest thing to an electable fiscal conservative CA has.

97F1504RAD
01-30-2010, 2:32 PM
Pro 2nd Amend or not I do not think I can bring myself to vote for JB. Problem is at this point I have no idea who else I might vote for.

DedEye
01-30-2010, 2:40 PM
Pro 2nd Amend or not I do not think I can bring myself to vote for JB. Problem is at this point I have no idea who else I might vote for.

Why?

HeyZeus
01-30-2010, 2:48 PM
When Jerry brown was governor the first time he put a hurt on CA. I would have a hard time trusting him again.

97F1504RAD
01-30-2010, 2:48 PM
Why?

For many of the same reasons SKSer stated in his post.

Wild Squid
01-30-2010, 2:51 PM
I pretty much support all Democratic party ideas except for gun restriction laws. If only there could be one such person who would be that. Maybe I should run for governor.

SKSer
01-30-2010, 2:55 PM
I like many of Meg Whitmans ideas, but the anti-gun thing is enough to make me not want her at all, if only she was pro gun, the choice would be easy. Also, Im not trying to start FUD as I absolutely have NO basis for this, but JB is so global warming concerned, I would worry about a complete ban on lead ammunition in this state. That would kill the ammo prices. Imagine only being able to shoot solid brass bullets. It would also blow for casters like me. Like I said before I HAVE NO BASIS FOR THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENING, and i dont even know if they could do it, but the tree huggers have allready got lead wheel weights being banned from here. He would have to weigh out what is more important for him RKBA, or his Global Warming baby. Or even worse since im sure money is not a problem for him, he might not think the ammo price difference would effect us that much, and in turn he would believe he would not be hurting RKBA very much and would get to support both.

bodger
01-30-2010, 2:58 PM
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DedEye
01-30-2010, 3:02 PM
:willy_nilly::willy_nilly::willy_nilly:

Actually, nah, I just hate all of you.

Sgt Raven
01-30-2010, 3:48 PM
...snip... Like I said before I HAVE NO BASIS FOR THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENING, ...snip...

But you just have to spread your FUD anyways. :TFH:

SKSer
01-30-2010, 4:55 PM
But you just have to spread your FUD anyways. :TFH:

I allready said it was not my intent to spread FUD, this is just my opinion, why do you think he wouldnt do this?

DedEye
01-30-2010, 4:58 PM
I allready said it was not my intent to spread FUD, this is just my opinion, why do you think he wouldnt do this?

How about all of the other threads that discuss his stance regarding the 2nd Amendment?

Unsubstantiated opinions are rarely productive.

bballwizard05
01-30-2010, 5:03 PM
Pro gun is very important in my vote for gov. but if the person is pro gun but crazy in every other aspect. my vote has to go elsewhere. I haven't begun to read up on the possible candidates, but jerry brown sounds like a quack. Even if someone else is more normal, so long as they are not ANTI gun, they may get my vote. We already have a crazy in another big time office in this country... I dont want one running my state too

DedEye
01-30-2010, 5:08 PM
Pro gun is very important in my vote for gov. but if the person is pro gun but crazy in every other aspect. my vote has to go elsewhere. I haven't begun to read up on the possible candidates, but jerry brown sounds like a quack. Even if someone else is more normal, so long as they are not ANTI gun, they may get my vote. We already have a crazy in another big time office in this country... I dont want one running my state too

Why?

Did you happen to catch what I posted right above you?

Unsubstantiated opinions are rarely productive.

SKSer
01-30-2010, 5:25 PM
How about all of the other threads that discuss his stance regarding the 2nd Amendment?

Unsubstantiated opinions are rarely productive.


my opinion is based on the fact that he is a huge tree hugger, and that he allready doesnt care about putting people out of work to "save the planet", so why would he be worried about raising ammo prices. I think if banning lead would infringe on RKBA then he might think twice about it. But having Brass bullets as a substitute, he could "save the planet without infringing on the RKBA". When I said I had no basis of it actually happening, meaning I have not heard anything, or read anything that directly suggests he would, but that does not mean i am not going to try and think about what a candidate could do, and has a chance of doing. This isnt that complicated, you say he supports the RKBA, I agree, he also is a huge tree hugger, tree huggers are known to not like lead so much they want to ban it. Do you really think he is gonna say, "Allright guys I support destroying the economy of california for saving the planet, but the one thing we cant do is ban my buddies bullets even though they have another option of bullet to shoot"".

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2007-11-19-toy-lawsuit-lead_N.htm
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — California Attorney General Jerry Brown on Monday sued 20 companies, including Mattel and Toys R Us, on charges of selling toys containing "unlawful quantities of lead."
The suit, filed in Alameda County Superior Court, alleges the companies knowingly exposed children to lead and failed to warn of the risk, which is required under the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986, known as Proposition 65.

If the suit is successful, the companies could pay a $2,500 fine for each violation, according to the complaint.

Neither Mattel (MAT) nor Toys R Us immediately returned calls seeking comment.

The move follows major recalls of toys, lunch boxes, children's jewelry and other goods during the year by the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission.

In June, toy maker RC2 (RCRC), one of the defendants in the suit recalled 1.5 million of its Thomas & Friends Wooden Railway sets because of concerns about lead.

Mattel followed in August with a series of recalls of millions of toy cars, trains, shape-sorters and Barbie doll accessories. Its Fisher-Price unit also pulled Sesame Street-themed products from a line of infant and preschool toys. Many of the toys contained small magnets that children can swallow; others contained lead paint.

The Center for Environmental Health, an Oakland-based non-profit agency that seeks to remove harmful chemicals from daily life, applauded the suit.

The center "has tested hundreds of toys and has revealed many with extremely high lead levels," said executive director Michael Green. "Attorney General Brown's decision to take on the toy companies is an important step toward cleaning up this industry."

The suit, which was joined by the Los Angeles city attorney's office, also named as defendants Wal-Mart (WMT), Target (TGT), Sears (SHLD), KB Toys, Costco Wholesale (COST) and others.

Now what if he changes his mind about the millions of rounds of lead ammunition that are being shot off in the deserts and forests of California.

DedEye
01-30-2010, 5:40 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2007-11-19-toy-lawsuit-lead_N.htm
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — California Attorney General Jerry Brown on Monday sued 20 companies, including Mattel and Toys R Us, on charges of selling toys containing "unlawful quantities of lead."
The suit, filed in Alameda County Superior Court, alleges the companies knowingly exposed children to lead and failed to warn of the risk, which is required under the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986, known as Proposition 65.

How often are bullets sold as children's toys, or marketed at children?

How often do you see ammo boxes without a lead warning?

SKSer
01-30-2010, 5:44 PM
Why would he support law suits against companies who did not intentionally sell these lead containing items to children, possibly hurting commerce even though it was accidental on their part?

DedEye
01-30-2010, 5:47 PM
Why would he support law suits against companies who did not intentionally sell these lead containing items to children, possibly hurting commerce even though it was accidental on their part?

I never said I supported it.

Did the state pursue fines or other compliance measures against the offending companies first, or was the lawsuit the only response? Is there a system in place to enforce regulatory compliance and issue fines independent of the judicial system?

SKSer
01-30-2010, 5:52 PM
I never said I supported it.

Did the state pursue fines or other compliance measures against the offending companies first, or was the lawsuit the only response? Is there a system in place to enforce regulatory compliance and issue fines independent of the judicial system?

i didnt say you supported it, go back and read my post, I said "he" supported it.

DedEye
01-30-2010, 5:53 PM
i didnt say you supported it, go back and read my post, I said "he" supported it.

Gotcha. Misread what you posted, sorry.

To take a WAG, I'd go with what I asked in my other post. Perhaps there was no other regulatory system in place to force compliance.

SKSer
01-30-2010, 5:56 PM
Gotcha. Misread what you posted, sorry.

To take a WAG, I'd go with what I asked in my other post. Perhaps there was no other regulatory system in place to force compliance.

I am unsure as well, but for a first offense? I could see if they were knowingly, repeatedly breaking the law, and did not do anything about it.

SKSer
01-30-2010, 6:10 PM
getting back to JB. He is the kind of guy that when he wants something, he will go after it without any regard to anything or anyone it effects. Now you could view this as a good thing, or a bad thing. If he wakes up one morning and realizes that banning lead bullets to save the environment is more important than our low cost for bullets, then you can bet your sweet a** they are going to be gone. Also if there is a bill he doesnt like for what ever reason, he is going to veto it. If he wants something he will probably lock up sacramento untill he gets it. I dont know if I want a dictator like that in Sacramento. Hitler was also a man that would stop at nothing to get what he wanted. You know the Germans were not just stupid people, they believed in what Hitler was saying, and he completely destroyed the country and much of Europe. By the time he took power it was too late. I bet you in the aftermath, 99% of the Germans thought, "man, we should have never let that guy into power, he sounded great at the time though".

Philthy
01-30-2010, 7:14 PM
Why would he support law suits against companies who did not intentionally sell these lead containing items to children, possibly hurting commerce even though it was accidental on their part?

Long story short:

1) As AG, it is his duty to do so. He is like a DA in that he represents "the People" in civil and criminal cases.

2) Products liability doesn't usually involve intent. It's more of a falling below a standard of care type thing. And by selling toys that contain lead, the companies fell below that standard. We have consumer protection, so hurting business is unfortunately a part of that. It's part of the cost of entering business, which is why there is insurance. If anyone got hurt, it was insurance.

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Back on the topic of Gov. Maybe someone can answer my musings.

I wonder just how much of an effect a 2A friendly Gov would really have. Any passing of new laws/repeal of existing gun laws (outside of court cases) would involve the legislature - and they can't seem to tie their shoes, so I'm not holding my breath.

I imagine that the AG could have a bigger impact on 2A issues. The AG is an elected position, free from the Gov. The AG heads the DOJ, which oversees firearm laws. They issue decisions/rulings/etc., which shape policy on things such as OLL, mag repair kits, etc., etc. It would seem to me to be more essential to have a friendly AG than Gov., because the legislature and Gov. can pass all the laws they want, but how the DOJ interprets those laws would have a much bigger effect.

So from what limited stuff I've read on the subject, I think Jackie Speier might be a contender. I am unsure of her 2A stance, but I do know that she was in Jonestown and was actually shot - which could mean that she is rabidly anti, or maybe even rabidly pro. Either way, she is 132590425-01498258042394023450 times better than Kamala Harris.

DedEye
01-30-2010, 7:30 PM
I wonder just how much of an effect a 2A friendly Gov would really have. Any passing of new laws/repeal of existing gun laws (outside of court cases) would involve the legislature - and they can't seem to tie their shoes, so I'm not holding my breath.

True, but he can at least veto bad legislation, which is very useful and saves money in court costs.

I imagine that the AG could have a bigger impact on 2A issues. The AG is an elected position, free from the Gov. The AG heads the DOJ, which oversees firearm laws. They issue decisions/rulings/etc., which shape policy on things such as OLL, mag repair kits, etc., etc. It would seem to me to be more essential to have a friendly AG than Gov., because the legislature and Gov. can pass all the laws they want, but how the DOJ interprets those laws would have a much bigger effect.

True. Unfortunately Kamala Harris is looking like a shoe-in for the AG, and with her position on guns it will be very good to have a counter balance in the Governor's office.

So from what limited stuff I've read on the subject, I think Jackie Speier might be a contender. I am unsure of her 2A stance, but I do know that she was in Jonestown and was actually shot - which could mean that she is rabidly anti, or maybe even rabidly pro. Either way, she is 132590425-01498258042394023450 times better than Kamala Harris.

Does she have a chance at winning?

SKSer
01-30-2010, 7:41 PM
I think any way you look at it, in a whole, factoring everything together 2a, economy, illegal immigration, welfare. we are f**ked, once again.

NorCalMama
01-30-2010, 7:47 PM
I see just like with Obama, people are drinking the Jerry Brown Kool Aid. WHEN has he been friendly to gun owners, besides when it was politically expedient for his latest run for governor??? He has a LONG history of being a friend of the Brady Campaign and only in the past couple of years has he claimed to be pro RKBA. Why are people believing him??

http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/857

Candidates endorsed by the Brady Campaign who won election included U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, who easily won reelection, and Jerry Brown for Attorney General. Strong leaders for gun violence prevention were also elected to the State Senate and Assembly.


I have a feeling that there is a lot of union pressure trying to get Brown in there. Plus, his pretending to be a friend of the gun owner, so people are buying it hook, line, and sinker.
Again, WHAT has he done in his political career to prove his recent claims??? Look prior to 2006...

http://extranosalley.com/?p=982

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=4776

One of the most irksome political commercials running here in California, is one from former Governor, Jerry Brown (Or as he was known while governor, "Governor Moonbeam"). Gov. Brown is now running for Attorney General against Republican Chuck Poochigian.

In this ad, a police captain appears. He isn't wearing a badge on his uniform, and his agency patch has been blacked out with electrical tape—no doubt as a requirement of his department. Captain Cop proceeds to hold up a .50 caliber round, and decry the horrific "fifty caliber assault rifle" that fires it.


http://www.crimefilenews.com/2006/10/californias-jerry-brown-dishonest.html

mblat
01-30-2010, 7:49 PM
Pro gun governor. Anti gun governor. What difference does it make in CA really?
Arnold not really anti-gun. Ask him he probably will tell you he is pro RKBA. He still signed couple pretty bad bills.
JB may be the most pro-gun electable candidate. Anybody thinks he would veto 50 cal ban? Or AB962? Why? Because he joined/not join some particular brief? Nobody thinks he was simply preparing to run to the right of Gavin Newsom and DiFi?

rromeo
01-30-2010, 8:25 PM
True. Unfortunately Kamala Harris is looking like a shoe-in for the AG, and with her position on guns it will be very good to have a counter balance in the Governor's office.

She won't prosecute crime. Of course, legally owned and used guns are a problem.
Oh well, I'll be back in Virginia before then.

pitchbaby
01-30-2010, 8:42 PM
Despite his shenanigans, the sorry fact is..... Jerry Brown has proven to be the most "friendly" toward gun users.... most especially in recent years.

bwiese
01-30-2010, 8:43 PM
When Jerry brown was governor the first time he put a hurt on CA. I would have a hard time trusting him again.

The politically naive seem to confuse his former governancy with the problems dropping down from Washington DC during the Jimmah Carter malaise.

Meplat
01-30-2010, 10:01 PM
[QUOTE=DedEye;3727292]Gotcha. Misread what you posted, sorry.

To take a WAG, I'd go with what I asked in my other post. Perhaps there was no other regulatory system in place to force compliance.[/QUOTE

You do realize that you are sounding like an apologist for an over zealous tree hugger? I'm just sayin'.:)

Meplat
01-30-2010, 10:14 PM
I doubt he would go as far pro-gun as he has just to get elected in CA, the pro-gun voting block is just not that powerful here.


I see just like with Obama, people are drinking the Jerry Brown Kool Aid. WHEN has he been friendly to gun owners, besides when it was politically expedient for his latest run for governor??? He has a LONG history of being a friend of the Brady Campaign and only in the past couple of years has he claimed to be pro RKBA. Why are people believing him??

http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/857



I have a feeling that there is a lot of union pressure trying to get Brown in there. Plus, his pretending to be a friend of the gun owner, so people are buying it hook, line, and sinker.
Again, WHAT has he done in his political career to prove his recent claims??? Look prior to 2006...

http://extranosalley.com/?p=982

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=4776



http://www.crimefilenews.com/2006/10/californias-jerry-brown-dishonest.html