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Jon Wang
01-27-2010, 12:06 PM
For most people who are into AK's and/or FALs, you probably know who "gunplumber" is on the FALFiles. For those who do not; his name is T. Mark Graham, owner of Arizona Response Systems. He's a meticulous builder of AK's and FALS. He grew up here in Southern California - before it went socialist.

Here's a link to "gunplumber" post on the FALFiles letter to Robert Ott, Claim Jumpers CEO.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2809455#post2809455

CalGunners can show support by NOT patronizing a business that does not support your 2A rights such as Claim Jumpers. That's too bad, my kids love their food.

bigcalidave
01-27-2010, 12:10 PM
Good letter, I wonder if they will respond.

ZombieTactics
01-27-2010, 12:30 PM
Well, this news certainly makes dieting easier.

Corbin Dallas
01-27-2010, 12:32 PM
Just another reason not to go there. I really didn't care for the food anyways, just got MORE than I paid for in portions.

Lyte-
01-27-2010, 12:35 PM
well if this gets your panties in a bunch don't go to Joe's crab shack as they also have this sign on the door at all the locations ive been to in Texas.

In fact lots of places have that type of sign on their door in texas

Uxi
01-27-2010, 12:35 PM
Overpriced anyway. I won't be going there anymore, either

Jon Wang
01-27-2010, 12:44 PM
adding Joe's Crab Shack to the "no go" list....

Roadrunner
01-27-2010, 12:48 PM
Going out is fine if you don't mind the waiting list, food servers ignoring you, paying a tip for mediocre service, and paying a premium price for food and drinks. Personally, I don't mind barbecuing and coming up with my own ideas for sides. Oh, and I can drink all the beer I want for a fraction of the cost. Since I have a big screen, I can have dinner and a movie and not put the wear and tear on the car. It's a win-win all the around for me.:D

Corbin Dallas
01-27-2010, 12:53 PM
well if this gets your panties in a bunch don't go to Joe's crab shack as they also have this sign on the door at all the locations ive been to in Texas.

In fact lots of places have that type of sign on their door in texas

Joe's Crab shack...

Where do I begin...

Let's just say if the sign said "FREE FOOD" I wouldn't let my dog take a dump there.

Worst service / food / attitude / place ever. I'd rather eat on the streets of Tijuana.

gotgunz
01-27-2010, 1:06 PM
I don't know about Arizona but in California those "no firearms" signs have no legal standing (in regards to CCW).

I think if you polled 100 different types of businesses 80 of them would have those signs up if they had thought about it (or had an UOC event take place at their business).

I carry at the Claim Jumpers in Roseville fairly frequently and have never noticed any sign and would ignore it anyways.

BONECUTTER
01-27-2010, 2:00 PM
I don't know about Arizona but in California those "no firearms" signs have no legal standing (in regards to CCW).

Can't speak for Arizona but in Texas if this sign is displayed you can not carry legally even with a permit.

PROHIBITING HANDGUNS IN A BUSINESS
OR OTHER ENTITY

"PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN."

"CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO."

And yes....its must have the spanish part.

Doing so makes it a crime so these places ussually get boycotted.

Figure most these places do it per legal advice.

If a law abiding CCWer shoots at bad guy in claim jumper and hits another patron they can pass all the blame on the shooter.

Edit: Found Arizona's sign http://www.azliquor.gov/assets/documents/firearm_sign_en.pdf If that posted you also can not carry legally.

Jon Wang
01-27-2010, 2:10 PM
..... I'd rather eat on the streets of Tijuana.

Where the food's better tasting AND you know everyone's packing!

2A? What stinking 2A?

Lyte-
01-27-2010, 2:15 PM
its private property if you want to enter you have to play by their rules plan and simple.

I am all for 2a but I am not allowing you in my home packing

B.D.Dubloon
01-27-2010, 2:20 PM
I don't know about Arizona but in California those "no firearms" signs have no legal standing (in regards to CCW).


As noted by the above poster, wouldn't private property laws interfere? You could carry in there, but they would just ask you to leave, and if you didn't you would be trespassing.

BONECUTTER
01-27-2010, 2:22 PM
As noted by the above poster, wouldn't private property laws interfere? You could carry in there, but they would just ask you to leave, and if you didn't you would be trespassing.

See my post above. If specific signs are posted like in AZ of TX you are breaking the law.

Trapper
01-27-2010, 2:29 PM
Not sure if things are different in Texas but, my NC CCW does not allow me to carry in any establishment that serves alcoholic beverages. Carrying in Joe's Crab Shack or Outback could result in the loss of my license regardless of their policy.

BONECUTTER
01-27-2010, 2:34 PM
Not sure if things are different in Texas but, my NC CCW does not allow me to carry in any establishment that serves alcoholic beverages. Carrying in Joe's Crab Shack or Outback could result in the loss of my license regardless of their policy.

AZ used to be like that. The only restraunt you used to be able to carry in was IHOP cause they didn't serve alcohol. Pretty sure that changed and why restraunts started putting up those signs.

dfletcher
01-27-2010, 4:00 PM
Joe's Crab shack...

Where do I begin...

Let's just say if the sign said "FREE FOOD" I wouldn't let my dog take a dump there.

Worst service / food / attitude / place ever. I'd rather eat on the streets of Tijuana.

I thought that's how they made the chili? :drool5:

gotgunz
01-27-2010, 8:34 PM
As noted by the above poster, wouldn't private property laws interfere? You could carry in there, but they would just ask you to leave, and if you didn't you would be trespassing.

Yes, if they asked you to leave and you refused you would be trespassing but there is no crime in carrying there so long as you are not consuming alcohol or violating any other restrictions placed on the ccw by the issuing authority. My question would be (once again) if you are carrying concealed (correctly) how would they know?

And while Texas (and other states) have it written in their laws that properly posted places are off limits California does not have this provision in law.

A California business can put a no firearms warning on every entrance and exit in 2' tall neon letters and it means nothing, regardless of the wording used.

383green
01-27-2010, 9:01 PM
Thanks for sharing this. I've passed it along to several friends who don't frequent Calguns or FALfiles, and I've posted it on my Facebook, too.

I support Claim Jumper's right to forbid armed patrons. Nevertheless, I am also free to choose to spend my money elsewhere, and I will now do so until and unless they change this policy.

pullnshoot25
01-27-2010, 9:08 PM
its private property if you want to enter you have to play by their rules plan and simple.

I am all for 2a but I am not allowing you in my home packing

Aren't you just a kindred spirit...

Mstrty
01-27-2010, 9:13 PM
its private property if you want to enter you have to play by their rules plan and simple.

I am all for 2a but I am not allowing you in my home packing

Friends of mine do not know if I am packing or not. If you ask me I will always say no Im not packing. Until it has a tactical advantage to let my friends and family know Im packing I will keep that Life or Death information to myself. call me paranoid it doesnt hurt.:)
Sucks about Claim Jumpers. Im going to miss their double chocolate cake.

dustoff31
01-27-2010, 9:53 PM
I don't know about Arizona but in California those "no firearms" signs have no legal standing (in regards to CCW).

They have a lot of legal standing in AZ. To the extent that one could be arrested for trespassing if they refuse to remove themselves or their firearms from the premises.


ETA: For those who are interested, you might want to take a look at http://www.asrpa.com and see how we deal with such establishments. It also lists some national chains that post their properties.

When you get the webpage up, go down the menu on the left side and click on "CCW cafe".

forgiven
01-28-2010, 12:11 AM
For most people who are into AK's and/or FALs, you probably know who "gunplumber" is on the FALFiles. For those who do not; his name is T. Mark Graham, owner of Arizona Response Systems. He's a meticulous builder of AK's and FALS. He grew up here in Southern California - before it went socialist.

Here's a link to "gunplumber" post on the FALFiles letter to Robert Ott, Claim Jumpers CEO.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2809455#post2809455

CalGunners can show support by NOT patronizing a business that does not support your 2A rights such as Claim Jumpers. That's too bad, my kids love their food.

Thanks, just another on a long list.:(

Peter W Bush
01-28-2010, 12:14 AM
Well-written letter!

Jon Wang
01-28-2010, 6:19 AM
ETA: For those who are interested, you might want to take a look at http://www.asrpa.com and see how we deal with such establishments. It also lists some national chains that post their properties. When you get the webpage up, go down the menu on the left side and click on "CCW cafe".


I applaud what you guys have done at ASRPA.

I'm sad to see one of my (as well as my kids) favorite restaurant made it onto that list. Too bad for BJ's. I WILL NOT patronize any business nor support anyone who doesn't support my 2A rights. It's still my money - isn't it?

BroncoBob
01-28-2010, 6:42 AM
Great list to have. Even though I don't currently have a CCW I will not spend my $$ in any establishment that is not 2A friendly.

brokestudent12
01-28-2010, 9:20 AM
claim jumpers has disgusting tasting food anyways. HUGE portions, but good lord the food tastes like crap.

gotgunz
01-28-2010, 9:22 AM
claim jumpers has disgusting tasting food anyways. HUGE portions, but good lord the food tastes like crap.

Eating in the school cafeteria has ruined your sense of taste apparently.

LOL.

.454
01-28-2010, 10:23 AM
Spreading the word
http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2010/01/claim-jumpers-does-not-support-2nd.html
853 reads since yesterday

.454
01-28-2010, 10:25 AM
Reposted here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2439281/posts

GP3
01-28-2010, 10:26 AM
How do they jump claims without guns?

Kestryll
01-28-2010, 10:37 AM
Just curious, does AZ restrict carrying in establishments that serve alcohol?
I recall not being able to wear my gun in to restaurants and bars when I was there for the NRA Convention

I noted that the ordinance said the sign had to be posted by the liquor license, does Claim Jumpers serve alcohol?

gotgunz
01-28-2010, 10:41 AM
Yes, they serve beer as well as mixed drinks (at least the Roseville location does).

Kestryll
01-28-2010, 10:42 AM
Yes, they serve beer as well as mixed drinks (at least the Roseville location does).

So are they then required to not allow firearms by law?

gotgunz
01-28-2010, 10:50 AM
I am not that familiar with Arizona law to say.. I believe they can restrict all regardless of weather they serve alcohol or not based on how the laws are written there.

Kestryll
01-28-2010, 10:53 AM
I think they can restrict regardless but I think they are required to restrict if they serve alcohol.
At least that is what we were told in Phoenix last year.

bwiese
01-28-2010, 11:06 AM
I think they can restrict regardless but I think they are required to restrict if they serve alcohol.
At least that is what we were told in Phoenix last year.

I may be way off - this could be TX? - but it may also involve a certain percentage of revenue from alcohol sales as being a trigger, and/or staying out of primary alcohol-serving areas (i.e, bar section) of restaurant.

bodger
01-28-2010, 11:09 AM
I found this:
http://arizonaccwpermit.com/2009/07/14/arizona-restaurant-concealed-carry-law-signed-by-governor-brewer/




In a remarkable move forward for AZ CCW permit holders, on July 13th, 2009, Governor Jan Brewer signed into law Senate Bill 1113 which permits limited concealed carry in restaurants in Arizona. This made Arizona the 41st state to pass such legislation. The new law takes effect on September 30, 2009.

The bill allows holders of an Arizona CCW permit to carry a concealed weapon in a restaurant or bar that serves alcohol for consumption on premises under the following conditions:

* The person carrying a firearm must be in possession of a valid AZ CCW permit and government issued photo id.
* The firearm must be concealed.
* The restaurant or bar must not have posted a sign at the entrance to the establishment that clearly prohibits the possession of a weapon on the premises.
* The posted signs must be in compliance with the format specified by law.
* The permit holder must NOT consume alcohol while on the restaurant or bar premises.
* The restaurant or bar owner will not be held responsible for any damages associated with any property damage, injury or death that might occur as a result of the actions of any person carrying a firearm into the restaurant unless the restaurant owner is grossly negligent or acts willfully or maliciously with intent to harm.
* The law does not apply to any person temporarily entering the restaurant or bar to either seek emergency aid or to determine whether or not a sign prohibiting weapons has been posted.
* Violation of the law is a Class 3 misdemeanor. The penalty for a Class 3 misdemeanor can include up to 30 days in jail and a fine of up to $500.

Kharn
01-28-2010, 11:10 AM
Several states have 51% laws.
IIRC VA requires open carry if the establishment serves alcohol and prohibits open and concealed if they make over 51% of their revenue from alcohol.

At least Texas standardized their 'No guns' sign into a gigantic monstrosity of an eyesore so I'm sure there are a few businesses that do not post it even if they'd like to.

Steyrlp10
01-28-2010, 11:15 AM
Thanks for sharing -- I'll pass this info onto my friends.

Guess those Claim Jumper gift certificates gathering dust on the top of my fridge will now become fossilized - lol

Kestryll
01-28-2010, 11:21 AM
I may be way off - this could be TX? - but it may also involve a certain percentage of revenue from alcohol sales as being a trigger, and/or staying out of primary alcohol-serving areas (i.e, bar section) of restaurant.
That could be.
I know the places Ben, Christian and I could not carry in were mainly restaurants but I think bodger's post clears it up, at least for my experience.
I found this:
http://arizonaccwpermit.com/2009/07/14/arizona-restaurant-concealed-carry-law-signed-by-governor-brewer/
In a remarkable move forward for AZ CCW permit holders, on July 13th, 2009,

I was in AZ for the NRA Convention in May so it was prior to this law going in to affect. That would explain why my memory and experience are different than the current situation.

Liberty1
01-28-2010, 11:25 AM
I was in AZ for the NRA Convention in May so it was prior to this law going in to affect. That would explain why my memory and experience are different than the current situation.

Yes, back then I was the only one professional enough to carry in an AZ alcohol serving establishment. Now I'm not so special...:( :D:D

gotgunz
01-28-2010, 11:28 AM
Yes, back then I was the only one professional enough.......


I've heard this phrase used before but I seem to recall the outcome as not being very..... professional.


LOL

dustoff31
01-28-2010, 1:08 PM
I found this:
http://arizonaccwpermit.com/2009/07/14/arizona-restaurant-concealed-carry-law-signed-by-governor-brewer/

In a remarkable move forward for AZ CCW permit holders, on July 13th, 2009, Governor Jan Brewer signed into law Senate Bill 1113 which permits limited concealed carry in restaurants in Arizona. This made Arizona the 41st state to pass such legislation. The new law takes effect on September 30, 2009.

The bill allows holders of an Arizona CCW permit to carry a concealed weapon in a restaurant or bar that serves alcohol for consumption on premises under the following conditions:

* The person carrying a firearm must be in possession of a valid AZ CCW permit and government issued photo id.
* The firearm must be concealed.
* The restaurant or bar must not have posted a sign at the entrance to the establishment that clearly prohibits the possession of a weapon on the premises.
* The posted signs must be in compliance with the format specified by law.
* The permit holder must NOT consume alcohol while on the restaurant or bar premises.
* The restaurant or bar owner will not be held responsible for any damages associated with any property damage, injury or death that might occur as a result of the actions of any person carrying a firearm into the restaurant unless the restaurant owner is grossly negligent or acts willfully or maliciously with intent to harm.
* The law does not apply to any person temporarily entering the restaurant or bar to either seek emergency aid or to determine whether or not a sign prohibiting weapons has been posted.
* Violation of the law is a Class 3 misdemeanor. The penalty for a Class 3 misdemeanor can include up to 30 days in jail and a fine of up to $500.

This is correct.

CCW holders might also want to know that the law allows non-residents/visitors to AZ to claim ignorance of the law the first time, should a violation occur. That only applies to CCW with a permit in a posted resturant/bar.

Untamed1972
01-28-2010, 1:22 PM
That could be.
I know the places Ben, Christian and I could not carry in were mainly restaurants but I think bodger's post clears it up, at least for my experience.


I was in AZ for the NRA Convention in May so it was prior to this law going in to affect. That would explain why my memory and experience are different than the current situation.

I also believe that open carry in resturants is prohibited in AZ. Concealed with a permit should be ok though.

dustoff31
01-28-2010, 1:36 PM
I also believe that open carry in resturants is prohibited in AZ. Concealed with a permit should be ok though.

Also correct. Concealed carry with a permit only in establishments that serve alcohol.

If the establishment doesn't have a liquor license, open carry is OK, provided it's not posted.

The Cable Guy
01-28-2010, 2:26 PM
My company is planning a company dinner. I noticed our manager had a claim jumpers page up, so I told her about this. Since we're a fairly pro-gun company, I doubt we will be patronizing this establishment.

My375hp302
01-28-2010, 2:58 PM
Here is the E-mail for the CEO of Claim Jumpers : robert_ott@claimjumper.com why don't we all send him an E-mail and let him know how we feel. I did!

pingpong
01-28-2010, 3:46 PM
Is this a CJ corporate policy, or just at that particular location? I haven't seen any of those signs at any CJ's I've been to (then again, they've all been in California).

bwiese
01-28-2010, 4:47 PM
That could be.
I was in AZ for the NRA Convention in May so it was prior to this law going in to affect. That would explain why my memory and experience are different than the current situation.

I was too, and your 'memory and experience' probably involved some beer ;)

postal16
01-28-2010, 7:30 PM
If this is a dupe, I apologize...here is the link that tells you all the CCW friendly restaurants in AZ (as well as the un-friendly):

http://www.asrpa.com/html/ccw_cafe_s.html

hkusp9c
01-28-2010, 7:32 PM
never liked that place anyways.

JaMail
01-28-2010, 7:40 PM
we should send them a copy of suzanna hupps book. or at least send them copies of her description of the day her parents were murdered in front of her in a luby's cafeteria cuz she left her gun in the car...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp

Anothercoilgun
01-28-2010, 7:53 PM
its private property if you want to enter you have to play by their rules plan and simple.

I am all for 2a but I am not allowing you in my home packing

Without customer the home would be empty and foreclosed on.

M. Sage
01-28-2010, 9:00 PM
well if this gets your panties in a bunch don't go to Joe's crab shack as they also have this sign on the door at all the locations ive been to in Texas.

In fact lots of places have that type of sign on their door in texas

Are you thinking of the sign that talks about "unlicensed possession"? That's state law for places that serve alcohol.

I don't frequent Joe's (not a seafood fan), but the one I've been to didn't have the 30.06 sign that's required to keep CHL-holders out. The only time I was at a Joe's was for a TGT meet-up, and IIRC the first location for that meet was scrapped because of a 30.06 sign.

I avoid 30.06 places, generally. Sure, it's their house... if they don't want me to carry in their house, I just won't go. No skin off my butt. There are plenty of more friendly places that I can patronize.

Blademan21
01-28-2010, 9:26 PM
This is news I have to send to a LAPD retired friend of mine. A few years ago he was at the CJ in Corona picking up a to-go order. A guy walks up to the cashier and pulls a 211.
My friend was wearing a fanny pack with his G22 inside. The guy mad dogs my friend,tells him"don't even think about it".As he approachs the door to exit,suspect turns and points his revolver(a .22) at my friend.
My friend draws and drops the guy with a shot to the chest. He lived and got 117 years for the 211.
Needless to say my friend still packs wherever he goes. As do I. CJ's can kiss my arss:mad:.

mswanson223
01-28-2010, 9:36 PM
I thought the whole idea of having a ccw is that nobody know that your packing heat? I mean a fanny pack is a dead give away. Its not like your getting patted down by the Hostess before you being seated.

Roadrunner
01-29-2010, 7:29 AM
Are you thinking of the sign that talks about "unlicensed possession"? That's state law for places that serve alcohol.

I don't frequent Joe's (not a seafood fan), but the one I've been to didn't have the 30.06 sign that's required to keep CHL-holders out. The only time I was at a Joe's was for a TGT meet-up, and IIRC the first location for that meet was scrapped because of a 30.06 sign.

I avoid 30.06 places, generally. Sure, it's their house... if they don't want me to carry in their house, I just won't go. No skin off my butt. There are plenty of more friendly places that I can patronize.

Is it coincidence or by design that a law that prevents you from carrying a weapon is labeled "30.06"? I just thought that was interesting.

As for Claim Jumpers Restaurant, weren't "Claim Jumpers" originally criminals that attacked and often murdered people for their mining claims? It's not important, but it's an observation.

With all of the restaurants that a person can carry in, why would you waste your time dealing with a hoplophobe? I think sending them a copy of Suzanna Hupp's book would be a very good idea, so that it prepares them for that unfortunate day when their gfz sign has the unintended consequences and several of their employees and customers are murdered because some nut was attracted to that sign like a moth to a flame.

Jon Wang
01-29-2010, 7:52 AM
This is news I have to send to a LAPD retired friend of mine. A few years ago he was at the CJ in Corona picking up a to-go order. A guy walks up to the cashier and pulls a 211. My friend was wearing a fanny pack with his G22 inside. The guy mad dogs my friend,tells him"don't even think about it".As he approach the door to exit,suspect turns and points his revolver(a .22) at my friend. My friend draws and drops the guy with a shot to the chest. He lived and got 117 years for the 211. Needless to say my friend still packs wherever he goes. As do I. CJ's can kiss my arss:mad:.

Ahhhh...CCW at work.:)

Nice to hear everything turned out right.

The Cable Guy
01-29-2010, 11:36 AM
So like I said, my manager was planning on going to CJ for our company dinner. It's still on. The reason?

My manager actually called their corporate offices, and spoke to Mr. Robert Ott on the phone. It turns out that the local restaurants in that area all came to an agreement to prohibit firearms inside their businesses. He stated that it was not meant to be politically motivated, and also stressed that he is an owner of many firearms, and is astounded by the amount of attention this is getting.

One thing he also mentioned was that the person who wrote the original e-mail was very intoxicated and was extremely irate at the CJ where this all went down. Now again, none of us were really there, so I can't say for sure that this is what happened. I'm just hoping that they would have an official response to our emails explaining what their side is.

*Also, my manager said she spoke to the Vice president of operations, and stated that his name was "Robert", so it may or may not be Robert Ott the CEO.*

rabagley
01-29-2010, 11:48 AM
Joe's Crab shack...

Where do I begin...

Let's just say if the sign said "FREE FOOD" I wouldn't let my dog take a dump there.

Worst service / food / attitude / place ever. I'd rather eat on the streets of Tijuana.

Hey, I've eaten on the streets of Tijuana. Was amazingly tasty and filling. They probably cooked everything in homemade lard, the king of fats.

Please don't sully that memory by comparing it to an overpriced chain restaurant like Joe's.

Roadrunner
01-29-2010, 12:13 PM
The closest Claim Jumpers to me is 42 miles away, so I won't be going to one anytime soon.

.454
01-29-2010, 12:19 PM
Now War On Guns (http://waronguns.blogspot.com/) linking...

Diabolus
01-29-2010, 2:26 PM
Going out is fine if you don't mind the waiting list, food servers ignoring you, paying a tip for mediocre service, and paying a premium price for food and drinks. Personally, I don't mind barbecuing and coming up with my own ideas for sides. Oh, and I can drink all the beer I want for a fraction of the cost. Since I have a big screen, I can have dinner and a movie and not put the wear and tear on the car. It's a win-win all the around for me.:D

You're so right on this. I really cannot remember the last time I received excellent service. It's as if every company on the planet has adopted the Best Buy service model - they don't know jack about the stuff they sell!

I think the only reason Best Buy has people on the floor is for theft prevention.

Roadrunner
01-29-2010, 4:47 PM
You're so right on this. I really cannot remember the last time I received excellent service. It's as if every company on the planet has adopted the Best Buy service model - they don't know jack about the stuff they sell!

I think the only reason Best Buy has people on the floor is for theft prevention.

I haven't been to a best buy in a while either. But I do love WalMart and Target. I get what I need and go.

6172crew
01-29-2010, 5:30 PM
The CJ in Reno has no such sign, it has been 2 months since I ate there but no signs back then.

G-Man WC
01-29-2010, 5:38 PM
CJ food is glorified fast food at exorbinate prices. The only draw that it has is calling porkers to the trough like a buffet. To go bags abounding with starchy crap. Once was enough to convince me. NO-MO
--g

Matt@EntrepriseArms
01-29-2010, 5:59 PM
I remember going to lunch with Mark aka Gunplumber a couple of years ago at a Red Lobster near his house in AZ. When we walked to our table, I saw a customer there eating while wearing what appeared to be a S&W .44 mag on his hip.

It brought a tear to my eye :)

pullnshoot25
01-29-2010, 6:05 PM
I thought the whole idea of having a ccw is that nobody know that your packing heat? I mean a fanny pack is a dead give away. Its not like your getting patted down by the Hostess before you being seated.

We can only hope that happens every once in a while...

pullnshoot25
01-29-2010, 6:11 PM
Now War On Guns (http://waronguns.blogspot.com/) linking...

Posted on it :)

Blademan21
01-29-2010, 6:58 PM
I thought the whole idea of having a ccw is that nobody know that your packing heat? I mean a fanny pack is a dead give away. Its not like your getting patted down by the Hostess before you being seated.

LOL...So everyone with a fanny pack packs? How do you CCW? Oh wait, I see you are from San Diego and unless you are LEO,you can't CCW. FYI, my friend happens to have a bad back,so he uses a fanny pack. It all turned out good,thats what matters,right? My friend is alive and the bad guy will never be the same.:D

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02-03-2010, 4:18 PM
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grammaton76
02-03-2010, 4:27 PM
LOL...So everyone with a fanny pack packs? How do you CCW? Oh wait, I see you are from San Diego and unless you are LEO,you can't CCW.

LUCC typically uses the same fanny pack one would use during CCW, for what it's worth.

grammaton76
02-03-2010, 4:34 PM
Updated company 2A stance thread to reflect info in post #62

Blademan21
02-04-2010, 11:42 AM
LUCC typically uses the same fanny pack one would use during CCW, for what it's worth.

I'll ask you the same question. Everyone that has a fanny pack is CCW? Before you answer think with an open mind, old ladies and old men use them as well as young kids. Lets not forget tourist at Disney Land.
I have seen fanny packs that have three compartments too small for a handgun,but it opens up to conceal a 1911 if needed. Very deceitful in apperance.
Assuming will make one look like an a** in this weird world. I don't use a fanny pack,do you? Ah heck, you live in San Diego,sorry:D.

kf6tac
02-04-2010, 11:52 AM
I'll ask you the same question. Everyone that has a fanny pack is CCW? Before you answer think with an open mind, old ladies and old men use them as well as young kids. Lets not forget tourist at Disney Land.
I have seen fanny packs that have three compartments too small for a handgun,but it opens up to conceal a 1911 if needed. Very deceitful in apperance.
Assuming will make one look like an a** in this weird world. I don't use a fanny pack,do you? Ah heck, you live in San Diego,sorry:D.

The obtuse answer would be, "Either they're carrying concealed or they're fashion-backward enough to be seen in public with a fanny pack on. Either way, you should take them out first." :p

My375hp302
02-04-2010, 12:32 PM
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Blademan21
02-04-2010, 12:45 PM
The obtuse answer would be, "Either they're carrying concealed or they're fashion-backward enough to be seen in public with a fanny pack on. Either way, you should take them out first." :p


LOL.... that was funny:D.

grammaton76
02-04-2010, 1:22 PM
I'll ask you the same question. Everyone that has a fanny pack is CCW? Before you answer think with an open mind, old ladies and old men use them as well as young kids. Lets not forget tourist at Disney Land.

I never said that. What I said was in response to us living in San Diego and being unable to carry concealed weapons. The bit down below:

Oh wait, I see you are from San Diego and unless you are LEO,you can't CCW.

Specifically, we don't need a permit to carry concealed provided that it's unloaded and locked and we're in line with 12025, 12026.*, etc etc, etc.

Assuming will make one look like an a** in this weird world. I don't use a fanny pack,do you? Ah heck, you live in San Diego,sorry:D.

When I LUCC, it's with a Blackhawk bag that's identical to the Federal-size Uncle Mike's Gun Pak, worn on my hip - not my rear.