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obeygiant
01-20-2010, 11:46 AM
Got this via email a few minutes ago.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: NRA/Hagman Alert - AB1663 -- THE REPEAL OF AB962
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11;41;49 -0800
From: Assemblymember Hagman <Assemblymember.Hagman@assembly.ca.gov>




INVITATION TO MEET ASSEMBLYMAN CURT HAGMAN, AUTHOR OF AB1663 -- THE REPEAL OF AB962

Dear NRA Members:

The National Rifle Association is extremely active in California and can use your help to protect our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Learn how you can take part in the fight to protect our rights in California and Repeal AB962 (the Handgun Ammunition Sales Registration Bill) by helping us pass AB1663!

This is your invitation to meet ASSEMBLYMAN CURT HAGMAN and other NRA members in your area, on Saturday, January 30th, and discuss issues that affect the NRA and the firearms community in your area. We will be discussing current litigation and legislation, including the NRA’s efforts to protect local gun show venues, promote hunting/shooting/firearms safety, and also other NRA programs available in California. We will be hearing from interesting and informative guest speakers, including NRA’s California-based Staff, and also key volunteer leaders in the Inland Empire.

We hope you will take this opportunity to share your ideas, hear what’s happening in Sacramento, and find out what you can do to help support our Second Amendment rights. The meeting will take place at the Raahauge's Shooting Enterprises -- 14995 River Rd, Corona, CA 92880, at 12:00 Noon on Saturday, January 30th. This meeting is open to NRA members and is FREE to attend!

For more information about the meeting; call (951) 683-4672 or go to www.CalNRA.com/calendar. This event is NOT a fundraiser, and is sponsored by the NRA Members Council of The Inland Empire.

For more information about becoming involved with the NRA in your community, go to www.CalNRA.com/volunteer/ and fill-out the on-line form. If you don’t assist the NRA and help Assemblyman Curt Hagman’s efforts to repeal AB962, who will?

We look forward to seeing you at the meeting!

Full Text of the Bill
BILL NUMBER: AB 1663 (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_1651-1700/ab_1663_bill_20100119_introduced.html) INTRODUCED
BILL TEXT


INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Hagman
(Coauthors: Assembly Members Adams, Anderson, Conway, DeVore,
Emmerson, Fletcher, Gaines, Gilmore, Harkey, Knight, Nestande,
Niello, Nielsen, Silva, and Smyth)

JANUARY 19, 2010

An act to repeal Section 12318 of, and to repeal Article 3.5
(commencing with Section 12060) of Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4 of,
the Penal Code, relating to ammunition.


LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST


AB 1663, as introduced, Hagman. Ammunition.
Existing law provides that no handgun ammunition vendor, as
defined, shall sell, offer for sale, or display for sale, any handgun
ammunition in a manner that allows that ammunition to be accessible
to a purchaser without the assistance of the vendor or employee
thereof.
This bill would repeal those provisions.
Existing law requires, subject to exceptions, commencing February
1, 2011, that handgun ammunition vendors obtain a thumbprint and
other information from ammunition purchasers, as specified. Existing
law provides, subject to exceptions, that commencing February 1,
2011, the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition may
only occur in a face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or
transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity of the
purchaser or other transferee. Violations of any of the above
provisions are misdemeanors, some with specified penalties.
This bill would repeal those provisions.
Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: no.
State-mandated local program: no.


THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Article 3.5 (commencing with Section 12060) of Chapter
1 of Title 2 of Part 4 of the Penal Code, as added by Chapter 628 of
the Statutes of 2009, is repealed.
SEC. 2. Section 12318 of the Penal Code, as added by Chapter 628
of the Statutes of 2009, is repealed.
12318. (a) Commencing February 1, 2011, the delivery or transfer
of ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face
transaction with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
evidence of identity from the purchaser or other transferee. A
violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
(b) For purposes of this section:
(1) "Bona fide evidence of identity" means a document issued by a
federal, state, county, or municipal government, or subdivision or
agency thereof, including, but not limited to, a motor vehicle
operator's license, state identification card, identification card
issued to a member of the Armed Forces, or other form of
identification that bears the name, date of birth, description, and
picture of the person.
(2) "Handgun ammunition" means handgun ammunition as defined in
subdivision (a) of Section 12323, but excluding ammunition designed
and intended to be used in an "antique firearm" as defined in Section
921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States Code. Handgun ammunition
does not include blanks.
(3) "Handgun ammunition vendor" has the same meaning as set forth
in Section 12060.
(c) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to or affect the deliveries,
transfers, or sales of, handgun ammunition to any of the following:
(1) Authorized law enforcement representatives of cities,
counties, cities and counties, or state and federal governments for
exclusive use by those government agencies if, prior to the delivery,
transfer, or sale of the handgun ammunition, written authorization
from the head of the agency employing the purchaser or transferee, is
obtained identifying the employee as an individual authorized to
conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the
exclusive use of the agency employing the individual.
(2) Sworn peace officers, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing
with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 who are authorized to carry a
firearm in the course and scope of their duties.
(3) Importers and manufacturers of handgun ammunition or firearms
licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing
with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the
regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) Persons who are on the centralized list maintained by the
Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12083.
(5) Persons whose licensed premises are outside this state who are
licensed as dealers or collectors of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44
(commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code
and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(6) Persons licensed as collectors of firearms pursuant to Chapter
44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States
Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto whose licensed
premises are within this state who has a current certificate of
eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice
pursuant to Section 12071.
(7) A handgun ammunition vendor.
(8) A consultant-evaluator, as defined in subdivision (s) of
Section 12001.

Cokebottle
01-20-2010, 11:54 AM
So AB1663 is the new designation for the original AB373?

Esquire
01-20-2010, 11:58 AM
Let's all try to attend, show our strong support and solidarity.

Cool Hand Luke
01-20-2010, 12:02 PM
The only way this thing will pass in California is if they repeal AB962 for illegal aliens, but add a last minute attachment that legal California residents will be applicable too.

H Paul Payne
01-20-2010, 4:05 PM
NRA Members' Councils of California
http://calnra.com/skin/mclogoclr2.gif (http://calnra.com)
CALNRA: CAL-ERT 01/20/10 --- NOON-- CALIFORNIA LEGISLATIVE ALERT

01/20/2010 NOON - PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY

NEW LEGISLATION INTRODUCED TO REPEAL AB962!

Immediately following Governor Schwarzenegger's signing of the Ammunition Sales Registration Bill, AB962, NRA announced our effort to repeal this misguided and un-necessary legislation by amending NRA sponsored AB373 into a "Repeal bill."

This effort has been welcomed by overwhelming support throughout the firearms community within the state and the California Rifle and Pistol Association immediately added their total support to this effort. Gun stores, ranges, hunting & shooting clubs, collectors, hunters, and those who value our freedoms, have all joined this effort to repeal AB962.

Because of this overwhelming support from firearms owners throughout the state, it has been decided to use a different legislative vehicle in the effort to Repeal AB962. The reason is because the time for AB373 to be heard in the legislative committee was nearing the end and many people still had not had a chance to sign the "Letter of Support of the Repeal of AB962" yet. Assemblyman Hagman has introduced AB1663, which does not require a hearing until later this year. This gives everyone a chance to sign the "Letter."

For the rest of the story, and how you can help, please visit MOST RECENT CAL-ERT (http://www.calnra.com/calerts/calert012010.shtml)! (We ask that you always click-through to CalNRA.com to aquire the latest information possible.)

kf6tac
01-20-2010, 4:15 PM
What happens now to all the paper copies of the letter of support that referenced AB373? Will the legislators have the requisite number of brain cells to make the connection that old AB373 = AB1663? :p

H Paul Payne
01-20-2010, 5:37 PM
What happens now to all the paper copies of the letter of support that referenced AB373? Will the legislators have the requisite number of brain cells to make the connection that old AB373 = AB1663? :p
If you read the CAL-ERT, you will find the details. Go to http://www.calnra.com/calerts/calert012010.shtml

It says:
"NOTE: Originally, NRA and Assemblyman Hagman planned to amend AB 373 as the vehicle for this legislation. However, due to details of the legislative process, the decision was made to introduce AB 1663, a new bill. Please continue to send all old "Letters of Support" to "NRA - AB1663 Letters, 3565 La Ciotat Way, Riverside, CA 92501". All of these "Letters of Support" submitted under the old bill number will still be valid after this technical change."

HondaMasterTech
01-20-2010, 6:03 PM
Is the text for this bill available?

kf6tac
01-20-2010, 6:18 PM
Is the text for this bill available?

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_1651-1700/ab_1663_bill_20100119_introduced.html

This is the text as introduced, according to leginfo.

Window_Seat
01-20-2010, 6:20 PM
Is the text for this bill available?

AB-1663 Text (HTML) (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_1651-1700/ab_1663_bill_20100119_introduced.html)

Erik.

obeygiant
01-20-2010, 8:34 PM
AB-1663 Text (HTML) (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_1651-1700/ab_1663_bill_20100119_introduced.html)

Erik.

Sorry, didn't have time earlier to post the full text but it has been added to the first post now.

HondaMasterTech
01-20-2010, 8:49 PM
Am I missing something?

Why would the legislature pass a bill that strikes a bill that this same legislature just recently passed?

CenterX
01-20-2010, 8:55 PM
The Dem's won't let it get out of committee!

Cokebottle
01-20-2010, 9:01 PM
Am I missing something?

Why would the legislature pass a bill that strikes a bill that this same legislature just recently passed?
They do it all the time.
They don't even read half of the bills they pass.

H Paul Payne
01-20-2010, 9:03 PM
Am I missing something?

Why would the legislature pass a bill that strikes a bill that this same legislature just recently passed?

Maybe you're not "missing something" but maybe you're not aware of everything that is happening with regard to our effort(s) to repeal AB962.

It is not always a good idea to show your hand to everyone who cares to look. So we won't be disclosing all of the plans in the multi-faceted attack on AB962. Therefore, you have to make a choice of if you are willing to trust those who are on your side. If you give us your trust, we will try not to let you down.

That does not mean that we will win. But it means that we will do our best to use every tool in the toolbox that will give us a reasonable chance to win. However, I promise you this: If we do not try --- we will not succeed.

Paul

H Paul Payne
01-30-2010, 5:53 PM
Got this via email a few minutes ago.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: NRA/Hagman Alert - AB1663 -- THE REPEAL OF AB962
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11;41;49 -0800
From: Assemblymember Hagman <Assemblymember.Hagman@assembly.ca.gov>


INVITATION TO MEET ASSEMBLYMAN CURT HAGMAN, AUTHOR OF AB1663 -- THE REPEAL OF AB962

Dear NRA Members:

The National Rifle Association is extremely active in California and can use your help to protect our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Learn how you can take part in the fight to protect our rights in California and Repeal AB962 (the Handgun Ammunition Sales Registration Bill) by helping us pass AB1663!

This is your invitation to meet ASSEMBLYMAN CURT HAGMAN and other NRA members in your area, on Saturday, January 30th, and discuss issues that affect the NRA and the firearms community in your area. We will be discussing current litigation and legislation, including the NRA’s efforts to protect local gun show venues, promote hunting/shooting/firearms safety, and also other NRA programs available in California. We will be hearing from interesting and informative guest speakers, including NRA’s California-based Staff, and also key volunteer leaders in the Inland Empire.

We hope you will take this opportunity to share your ideas, hear what’s happening in Sacramento, and find out what you can do to help support our Second Amendment rights. The meeting will take place at the Raahauge's Shooting Enterprises -- 14995 River Rd, Corona, CA 92880, at 12:00 Noon on Saturday, January 30th. This meeting is open to NRA members and is FREE to attend!

For more information about the meeting; call (951) 683-4672 or go to www.CalNRA.com/calendar (http://www.calnra.com/calendar). This event is NOT a fundraiser, and is sponsored by the NRA Members Council of The Inland Empire.

For more information about becoming involved with the NRA in your community, go to www.CalNRA.com/volunteer/ (http://www.calnra.com/volunteer/) and fill-out the on-line form. If you don’t assist the NRA and help Assemblyman Curt Hagman’s efforts to repeal AB962, who will?

We look forward to seeing you at the meeting!

WOW!!! I just got home from the meeting and it was great!

We had more than 100 NRA members attend and that did not include the NRA Members' Council volunteers, NRA & CRPA Staff, or the legislators & their staff. Legislators in attendance were Assemblyman Curt Hagman, Senator Bob Dutton, and Senator Dennis Hollingsworth. NRA was represented by NRA-ILA CA State Liaison Ed Worley and Myself. CRPA Executive Director John Fields was there, as was CRPA Legislative Liaison Tom Pederson.

THIS WAS ONE HECK OF A GOOD NRA MEETING!!

I really would like to thank all that attended and especially those who provided input and asked questions. It's always great to have such an energized audience. The NRA Members' Council of the Inland Empire (http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/cgi-bin/haasmcshowwebpage.cgi?mc=inlandempire) provided support staff that really helped make things flow well.

After an event like this, I really am looking forward to the meeting on February 16th in Stockton with Assemblyman Bill Berryhill. http://www.ggnra.org/calendar/events/displ...hp?eventID=2194 (http://www.ggnra.org/calendar/events/display.php?eventID=2194)

Thanks again.

Paul

wildhawker
01-30-2010, 6:06 PM
Calendared and looking forward to the meeting.

-Brandon

WOW!!! I just got home from the meeting and it was great!

We had more than 100 NRA members attend and that did not include the NRA Members' Council volunteers, NRA & CRPA Staff, or the legislators & their staff. Legislators in attendance were Assemblyman Curt Hagman, Senator Bob Dutton, and Senator Dennis Hollingsworth. NRA was represented by NRA-ILA CA State Liaison Ed Worley and Myself. CRPA Executive Director John Fields was there, as was CRPA Legislative Liaison Tom Pederson.

THIS WAS ONE HECK OF A GOOD NRA MEETING!!

I really would like to thank all that attended and especially those who provided input and asked questions. It's always great to have such an energized audience. The NRA Members' Council of the Inland Empire (http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/cgi-bin/haasmcshowwebpage.cgi?mc=inlandempire) provided support staff that really helped make things flow well.

After an event like this, I really am looking forward to the meeting on February 16th in Stockton with Assemblyman Bill Berryhill. http://www.ggnra.org/calendar/events/displ...hp?eventID=2194 (http://www.ggnra.org/calendar/events/display.php?eventID=2194)

Thanks again.

Paul

Skidmark
01-30-2010, 8:00 PM
The Dem's won't let it get out of committee!

Only those who don't hear from us.

bodger
01-30-2010, 8:50 PM
Only those who don't hear from us.


I admire your optimism, but if hearing from us was all that was needed, we would have a much easier time with issues like this.

We virtually inundated Arnold urging him to veto AB962.

Skidmark
01-30-2010, 10:22 PM
I admire your optimism, but if hearing from us was all that was needed, we would have a much easier time with issues like this.

We virtually inundated Arnold urging him to veto AB962.

I keep meeting gun owners - ammo buyers - who never heard about AB962, who never made a call, or sent a fax.

Inundated? Not good enough, we can do better.

formula502
01-30-2010, 10:41 PM
I keep meeting gun owners - ammo buyers - who never heard about AB962, who never made a call, or sent a fax.

Inundated? Not good enough, we can do better.

I think the signing ceremony down in LA w/ DeLeon told us everything we needed to know about the efficacy of our calls & faxes.

It was pure horsetrading and putting on that little show was simply on DeLeon's invoice.

obeygiant
01-30-2010, 10:52 PM
I keep meeting gun owners - ammo buyers - who never heard about AB962, who never made a call, or sent a fax.

Inundated? Not good enough, we can do better.

Skidmark, welcome to CGN. If you want to get involved take a look at the CGN in your community forums here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=183)

bodger
02-01-2010, 9:35 AM
I keep meeting gun owners - ammo buyers - who never heard about AB962, who never made a call, or sent a fax.

Inundated? Not good enough, we can do better.


Agreed. And I too have met many a California shooter who doesn't know anything about AB962. And many other gun-related issues.

I met a guy (looked to be in his sixties) at the range a few weeks ago who was firing a rifle that was obviously configured so as to need to be a RAW. He had owned the gun since the mid-1980's and had no idea that it needed to be registered and was in fact, a felony to own.

I steered him to CalGuns and told him to get that thing out of sight and strip it ASAP.

gtturborex
02-04-2010, 12:55 PM
I just received an email from Curt Hagman with a video/audio of the interview.

http://www.asm.ca.gov/60

MRex21
02-13-2010, 9:26 AM
Signed, sealed, delivered.