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Oldbud
01-19-2010, 3:06 PM
With the many issues plaguing Capital Hill, the Brady Campaign has joined the list of those upset with the President.;

There will likely be an increased media of pushing for more anti-gun legislature.

http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/opinion-obama-does-nothing-on-guns-brady-campaign-grades-him-f

Blackhawk556
01-19-2010, 3:12 PM
im watching the video right now on msnbc, :D:D:D

he did sign the guns at national park bill didnt he ;)

pingpong
01-19-2010, 3:15 PM
I'd give him a C in the guns category, mostly because he hasn't done anything yet (which also means he hasn't really done any harm.....yet).

Turo
01-19-2010, 3:20 PM
IMO, obama's support rests so much on his appeal to the general populace that I don't think he would really want to do anything that appears to hurt, or help, gun owners. It would just be bad for his "image."

Oldbud
01-19-2010, 4:07 PM
IMO, obama's support rests so much on his appeal to the general populace that I don't think he would really want to do anything that appears to hurt, or help, gun owners. It would just be bad for his "image."Unfortunately, he does ultimately act from increased media pressure.

The Brady Campaign sent out the press release, and many media outlets are picking up on it, even in the middle of the MA election coverage, it is getting air time.

The timing appears to be very calculated.

ErikTheRed
01-19-2010, 4:31 PM
It would just be bad for his "image."

And for an egocentric narcissistic self-observer, image is everything. Obama (and other socialist radicals) don't make decisions based on whats good for the country or their countrymen, they only make decisions based on whats good for them. Fortunately for the rest of us, Obama's turbocharged self-interest is backfiring as more Americans realize his agenda. The petals are falling off Obama's rose, which to his dismay and confusion, translates into a net positive for America and a net negative for him. The campaign trail is only so long. Sooner or later, you have to leave the interview and go to work--- but the interview and image presentation are the only things Obama and his staff know how to do. Go to work? What? You mean, be the President and serve the Nation with honor, modesty, and a genuine respect for America's past and sincere interest in it's future??? Are you kidding?

With issues such as gun control, Obama finds himself in an internal conflict. Pushing his anti-2A agenda is what he wants to do, but doing so will cost him vanity points with a very large and diverse cross-section of Americans. Oh, what to do, what to do.......

tombinghamthegreat
01-19-2010, 5:07 PM
Obama is quickly losing support for his health care bill, his plans on reducing(expanding) the debt and if he were to take on the gun issue he would out of office in 2012.

What is odd as pointed out in the article, a socialist in office resulted in gun ownership is skyrocket to the point of ammo shortages and gun stores selling out. Most of the laws repealing the gun laws is something so far Obama have no control over.

hill billy
01-19-2010, 6:58 PM
Good. I like to see dissent among the ranks. Imagine how badly they are going to cry after MacDonald, then after Sykes, et al. :D

Alaric
01-19-2010, 7:16 PM
I've been telling y'all since he got elected that he's NOT a liberal. He's a moderate. He's even worse than that. You hate him for the wrong reasons. He's a HARVARD elititist. Doesn't matter that he's Democrat or that he has a name that sounds like "Osama", it's that he represents the status quo. He is the elongation of political stagnation.

Wake up! This man is not the antichrist or the Stalin of your dreams. He is the lawyer. He is the sneak attack. He is the status quo slipping under the gates. Wow. So much hatred, and for such the wrong reasons. FAIL.

caoboy
01-19-2010, 7:18 PM
2012 can not get here soon enough.

Dude, why do you want the world to end so quickly? :TFH:

.454
01-19-2010, 7:18 PM
I've been telling y'all since he got elected that he's NOT a liberal. He's a moderate. He's even worse than that. You hate him for the wrong reasons. He's a HARVARD elititist. Doesn't matter that he's Democrat or that he has a name that sounds like "Osama", it's that he represents the status quo. He is the elongation of political stagnation.

Wake up! This man is not the antichrist or the Stalin of your dreams. He is the lawyer. He is the sneak attack. He is the status quo slipping under the gates. Wow. So much hatred, and for such the wrong reasons. FAIL.

Heh. :rolleyes:

Alaric
01-19-2010, 7:25 PM
Heh. :rolleyes:

:p :rolleyes:

mblat
01-19-2010, 7:31 PM
I've been telling y'all since he got elected that he's NOT a liberal. He's a moderate. He's even worse than that. You hate him for the wrong reasons. He's a HARVARD elititist. Doesn't matter that he's Democrat or that he has a name that sounds like "Osama", it's that he represents the status quo. He is the elongation of political stagnation.

Wake up! This man is not the antichrist or the Stalin of your dreams. He is the lawyer. He is the sneak attack. He is the status quo slipping under the gates. Wow. So much hatred, and for such the wrong reasons. FAIL.

Double heh....

It is unusual, but in this particular case we will see who is right very fast. If after today Obama will run to the center "ala Clinton" then you are right and me and .454 is wrong.
If he will stay the course and jams this abomination of bill through - then you are wrong and we are right.

7x57
01-19-2010, 7:41 PM
D
It is unusual, but in this particular case we will see who is right very fast. If after today Obama will run to the center "ala Clinton" then you are right and me and .454 is wrong.
If he will stay the course and jams this abomination of bill through - then you are wrong and we are right.

It won't prove anything, because you're arguing about a false dichotomy. There is a reason Alinsky's book is "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals." Knowing when not to push doesn't make you a moderate, it makes you a strategist.

In fact Obama is both very left and very pragmatic, and the latter is supported by extreme ambition, perhaps stronger than any ideology. He steers a course by those three pole stars, and I think quite consistently so. It is only confusing if you don't understand that all three are there.

7x57

Bruce
01-19-2010, 7:43 PM
I've been telling y'all since he got elected that he's NOT a liberal. He's a moderate. He's even worse than that. You hate him for the wrong reasons. He's a HARVARD elititist. Doesn't matter that he's Democrat or that he has a name that sounds like "Osama", it's that he represents the status quo. He is the elongation of political stagnation.

Wake up! This man is not the antichrist or the Stalin of your dreams. He is the lawyer. He is the sneak attack. He is the status quo slipping under the gates. Wow. So much hatred, and for such the wrong reasons. FAIL.

So what flavor is that Kool-Aid you're drinking? ;)

Window_Seat
01-19-2010, 7:44 PM
Let me pick some polictical brains here;

With Brown (who has an "A" rating with the NRA) now in seat #41 in the Senate, how likely is it that this Congress could actually attempt to resurrect an AWB without a filibuster? It's important to remember that we have (R)s who are just as bad about that.

Erik.

grnt
01-19-2010, 7:47 PM
Never let your guard down. Gun grabbers will strike when complacency hits in.

Alaric
01-19-2010, 7:53 PM
So what flavor is that Kool-Aid you're drinking? ;)

Where's that AWB that y'all were saying was impending? not here.

Why exactly did we pay 2X the cost of ammo the past year? fear.

What happened? Nothing.

/sigh/

gravedigger
01-19-2010, 7:54 PM
Big-O thinks he can vote "present" in every situation where he is expected to make a decision on an issue. Never before in the history of this country has such an inept, mindless, inexperienced, unteachable, ignorant "community organizer" been placed in such a position. I am wondering how long it will be before the revolution begins. The left is certain that we are just too stupid to realize how brilliant they are. That IS the word the libs always use to describe him, isn't it ... "brilliant?" So now they are swearing to redouble their efforts to push forward with the leftist socialist agenda, because AFTER they shove it down our throats, we will finally see how wonderful it is, and sing his praises. Yes, the revolution will be sweet indeed.

andalusi
01-19-2010, 8:10 PM
Where's that AWB that y'all were saying was impending? not here.

Why exactly did we pay 2X the cost of ammo the past year? fear.

What happened? Nothing.

/sigh/

I'll join you in that sigh.

hill billy
01-19-2010, 8:29 PM
Where's that AWB that y'all were saying was impending? not here.

Why exactly did we pay 2X the cost of ammo the past year? fear.

What happened? Nothing.

/sigh/

I wouldn't know, because I never paid "2x" for anything. If Obama had the juice, guns would be on the chopping block. From day 1 there's been a large crowd saying, " If you attempt to come for our guns, you're going to be sorry" that's been a little hard to ignore. Only a fool would waste the political capital on something that is a pretty sure loser right now.

Alaric
01-19-2010, 8:37 PM
I wouldn't know, because I never paid "2x" for anything. If Obama had the juice, guns would be on the chopping block. From day 1 there's been a large crowd saying, " If you attempt to come for our guns, you're going to be sorry" that's been a little hard to ignore. Only a fool would waste the political capital on something that is a pretty sure loser right now.

Guns would have been easy compared to healthcare. That's what he chose to expend his political capital on, not because it was easy, but because it was hard.

SJ78
01-19-2010, 9:15 PM
Brady needs to find another cause . Gun's are not the reason for all the problems in society .

LAWABIDINGCITIZEN
01-19-2010, 9:17 PM
From the March/April 2010 issue of American Handgunner:

Percentage saying gun laws should be more strict in 1990 poll: 78%

Percentage saying gun laws should be more strict in 2000 poll: 62%

Percentage saying gun laws should be more strict in 2009 poll: 44%



Hopefully, at the end of this decade it will fall below 30%. This is why the gun prohibitionists are in such a panic.

HondaMasterTech
01-19-2010, 9:31 PM
The next few years are going to be very interesting.

bigcalidave
01-19-2010, 10:24 PM
Where's that AWB that y'all were saying was impending? not here.

Why exactly did we pay 2X the cost of ammo the past year? fear.

What happened? Nothing.

/sigh/

Wait ! Be glad for that scare! Be glad for the record sales of guns this last year. If they thought our cause was weak, they would attack it. America has come out in force to buy guns, ammo, etc. They are scared ! If gun sales had declined, or flat lined, there would be more attempts at testing out new gun control.

Alaric
01-19-2010, 10:29 PM
It won't prove anything, because you're arguing about a false dichotomy. There is a reason Alinsky's book is "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals." Knowing when not to push doesn't make you a moderate, it makes you a strategist.

In fact Obama is both very left and very pragmatic, and the latter is supported by extreme ambition, perhaps stronger than any ideology. He steers a course by those three pole stars, and I think quite consistently so. It is only confusing if you don't understand that all three are there.

7x57

QFT.

It might be arguable that pragmatism can have the effect of political moderation, in a realpolitik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik) kind of way. Obama is a kind of study in realpolitik.

Alaric
01-19-2010, 10:36 PM
Wait ! Be glad for that scare! Be glad for the record sales of guns this last year. If they thought our cause was weak, they would attack it. America has come out in force to buy guns, ammo, etc. They are scared ! If gun sales had declined, or flat lined, there would be more attempts at testing out new gun control.

Following that reasoning then, healthcare shouldn't have been on the agenda as people used doctors, health insurance was popular, and HMO profits were high.

No. Guns weren't on the agenda because Obama moderates his liberal ambition with realpolitik. Power is more important to him than real "change".

Choptop
01-19-2010, 10:49 PM
I've been telling y'all since he got elected that he's NOT a liberal. He's a moderate. He's even worse than that. You hate him for the wrong reasons. He's a HARVARD elititist. Doesn't matter that he's Democrat or that he has a name that sounds like "Osama", it's that he represents the status quo. He is the elongation of political stagnation.

Wake up! This man is not the antichrist or the Stalin of your dreams. He is the lawyer. He is the sneak attack. He is the status quo slipping under the gates. Wow. So much hatred, and for such the wrong reasons. FAIL.

ding ding ding. We have a winner.

stag6.8
01-20-2010, 1:04 AM
Let me pick some polictical brains here;

With Brown (who has an "A" rating with the NRA) now in seat #41 in the Senate, how likely is it that this Congress could actually attempt to resurrect an AWB without a filibuster? It's important to remember that we have (R)s who are just as bad about that.

Erik.

Also with brown being elected.....If the thune ammendment(ccw repricosity) comes up again, it has a good chance of passing next time.....it lost by a very few votes in the senate.....I hope they try to bring it back to the senate floor for a vote again this year.

Bruce
01-20-2010, 3:14 AM
Where's that AWB that y'all were saying was impending? not here.

Why exactly did we pay 2X the cost of ammo the past year? fear.

What happened? Nothing.



Yet.

The Dems/Socialist/Liberals have been after the public's guns ever since Kennedy's head exploded in Dealy Plaza. If you believe they've stopped, then you are incredibly naive.

mblat
01-20-2010, 7:04 AM
It won't prove anything, because you're arguing about a false dichotomy. There is a reason Alinsky's book is "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals." Knowing when not to push doesn't make you a moderate, it makes you a strategist.

In fact Obama is both very left and very pragmatic, and the latter is supported by extreme ambition, perhaps stronger than any ideology. He steers a course by those three pole stars, and I think quite consistently so. It is only confusing if you don't understand that all three are there.

7x57

I've seen evidence of him being very left. I've seen evidence of extreme ambition. So far I haven't seen evidence of pragmatism.
Again. We will see very soon who is right and how many pragmatic bones he has in his body. Personally I wouldn't mind being wrong - it would give us more reasonable government for the next three years. But I am afraid I am not.

ChuckBooty
01-20-2010, 7:13 AM
I really don't think he's gonna touch the subject unless he gets a second term. The gun community is relatively small...but we make a LOT of noise. And the vast majority of the country, while usually silent on the issue, DOES believe in the constitution.

But to his credit (I can't believe I just said that) during the campaign he did say something along the lines of, "I don't personally like guns, but it's in our constitution so there's nothing I can do about it". He also mentioned (I think) something about renewing the AWB, but then again...so did Bush.

nat
01-20-2010, 7:24 AM
There is no way any new gun control legislation will pass. I doubt anybody will propose anything that can gain traction.

Obama is not an extreme liberal. I haven't seen anything from him that says that. Wanting to reform healthcare doesn't make you an exteme liberal. It just means they actually saw the problems that exist with our messed up system, they just can't find a good way to fix it.

Aleksei Vasiliev
01-20-2010, 7:32 AM
Obama didn't campaign on banning guns. All he had was that one paragraph on his website. He really doesn't seem to care about them.
If he could sign an AWB with full support from everyone, of course he would. But he doesn't have that, and won't have it. He's not going to push for any restrictions on guns himself.

ChuckBooty
01-20-2010, 7:36 AM
There is no way any new gun control legislation will pass. I doubt anybody will propose anything that can gain traction.

Obama is not an extreme liberal. I haven't seen anything from him that says that. Wanting to reform healthcare doesn't make you an exteme liberal. It just means they actually saw the problems that exist with our messed up system, they just can't find a good way to fix it.

Well you're wrong there. In 2007 National Journal rated him as THE MOST liberal senator in the country. Based solely upon his voting record. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

nat
01-20-2010, 7:43 AM
Well you're wrong there. In 2007 National Journal rated him as THE MOST liberal senator in the country. Based solely upon his voting record. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

That is where you are wrong, being a senator means you represent your state. Being POTUS means you represent all US citizens.

I don't care what he did as senator, what matters is what he does as POTUS. LIke I said, wanting to fix our healthcare system doesn't make you an extreme liberal.

CCWFacts
01-20-2010, 8:06 AM
It won't prove anything, because you're arguing about a false dichotomy. There is a reason Alinsky's book is "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals." Knowing when not to push doesn't make you a moderate, it makes you a strategist.

In fact Obama is both very left and very pragmatic, and the latter is supported by extreme ambition, perhaps stronger than any ideology. He steers a course by those three pole stars, and I think quite consistently so. It is only confusing if you don't understand that all three are there.

Well-put! That's exactly right!

Blue
01-20-2010, 8:09 AM
He's only been in office ONE YEAR. He's got 3 more years to screw us over. Plus, he's got other things to worry about at the moment.

Aleksei Vasiliev
01-20-2010, 8:24 AM
He's only been in office ONE YEAR. He's got 3 more years to screw us over. Plus, he's got other things to worry about at the moment.

President Obama Signs Legislation to Allow Concealed Carry on National Parks and Refuges (http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/view/Post/24741/President-Obama-Signs-Legislation-to-Allow-Concealed-Carry-on-National-Parks-and-Refuges)
Also, the guns on Amtrak.

Obama has so far been positive for guns.

Blue
01-20-2010, 8:25 AM
President Obama Signs Legislation to Allow Concealed Carry on National Parks and Refuges (http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/view/Post/24741/President-Obama-Signs-Legislation-to-Allow-Concealed-Carry-on-National-Parks-and-Refuges)
Also, the guns on Amtrak.

Obama has so far been positive for guns.

Good for him, still doesn't mean I'll trust him.

Aleksei Vasiliev
01-20-2010, 8:36 AM
Good for him, still doesn't mean I'll trust him.

Hmm, you may be right.

President Signs Bill That Allows Gun-Slinging AMTRAK Passengers to be Locked in Boxes (http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/12/16/president-signs-bill-that-allows-gun-slinging-amtrak-passengers-to-be-locked-in-boxes/)

gef
01-20-2010, 8:43 AM
He doesn't have the time or energy to work on gun control, and now after Mass I don't think he well ever get around to it in his first and hopefully last term in office.

7x57
01-20-2010, 8:47 AM
Good for him, still doesn't mean I'll trust him.

You shouldn't, but his ambition helps. He seems to have believed Bill Clinton when he told them that the AW ban was the cause of 1994, which is great for us because they didn't try gun control in the first year. Now, they never will--gun control was already dead, but the Mass. race burned the corpse to prevent it rising on the next full moon. If the leadership even suggested touching guns half the caucus would scream and run before they finished the sentence. And after 2010, they won't be capable of trying.

The unfortunate thing is, of course, that they also believed Bill when he told them that they also lost in 1994 because the failed on health care, thus the "shock and awe Socialism" tactics to try to get it through no matter what. I'm beginning to realize just how much influence Bill has as the last successful Democratic president, and it's possible that his misreading of 1994 bears a substantial portion of the responsibility for the failure of the Troika's first term (Troika == Obama, Pelosi, Reid). For example, depending on who listened to whom Bill may have cost Reid his seat if he loses reelection as I suspect.

For the single-issue pro-gun Socialists, I'll make that simple: Scott Brown burned the corpse of federal gun control yesterday and it ain't rising for the forseeable future. :D

7x57

ZombieTactics
01-20-2010, 10:33 AM
Under an Obama administration, gun control or even outright confiscation will never come overtly under the guise of signed legislation or executive order. He's too savvy a player to fall into that ditch.

Rather, Obama will, if he is able:

Direct his appointees to "enforce the law" ... meaning find or invent any legal pretext to harass gun owners, manufacturers and resellers at every level, to the fullest extent possible.
Direct regulatory agencies to enact rules which harass gun owners, manufacturers and resellers at every level, to the fullest extent possible.
Apoint only judges who share his anti-gun sentiments while studiously working to avoid discussion of the subject ... i.e. Sotomayor. SCOTUS apointments can accomplish things well after the end of one's 4 or 8 year terms of office.
Establish and extend the scope of bureaucracies and regulatory agencies to the point where there is arguable or ostensible regulatory control over firearms.


In other words, watch your back, because - politically - nobody but a fool tries to stab you in the front.

7x57
01-20-2010, 10:59 AM
The other thing to keep in mind is that while being anti-gun is an almost mandatory belief of the standard American leftist dogma, it is actually not required by the socialist core of that dogma. Harry Reid is not anti-gun, for example. Obama is, I think, smart enough to understand that, and while personally anti-gun by conviction (known from a private remark as a student to John Lott before he had any political capital to protect), he understands Alinsky the pragmatist and understands that attacking guns is neither the most important issue to the larger agenda nor is it useful at this time.

We are getting strong enough that it seems possible that the anti-gun plank will get deleted from the program, at a bare minimum on the logic that the synthesis has to have some compromises with the thesis and so this is not the Hegelian step in which guns can be eliminated. They may choose to leave the issue for the next dialectical struggle (which means, in practice, biding time however long it takes).

Our job is to make sure that time never comes. :43:

7x57

CCWFacts
01-20-2010, 11:08 AM
Wow, I agree with the Brady Campaign on something! I also give Obama an F!

tube_ee
01-20-2010, 11:30 AM
Well you're wrong there. In 2007 National Journal rated him as THE MOST liberal senator in the country. Based solely upon his voting record. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

Funny thing about that...

They've said exactly that about every Democratic Senator who's run for President that I can think of.

Barak Obama a more liberal Senator than Bernie Sanders? The freaking Socialist? Really?

--Shannon

tiki
01-20-2010, 11:54 AM
What he is doing is waiting for a favorable SCOTUS makeup. He's waiting to get another Sotomayor in place of one of the conservatives. Then, when the laws banning semi automatic pistols or assault riflles go before them, then they will rule that there is a compelling public interest to regulate them and that single shot pistols and bolt action rifles offer plenty of opportunity for sportsmen, competitors and personal defense. I can hear it already, "Do we really need more than 5 shots to hunt an animal or 6 shots for personal defense?"

tube_ee
01-20-2010, 11:55 AM
The other thing to keep in mind is that while being anti-gun is an almost mandatory belief of the standard American leftist dogma, it is actually not required by the socialist core of that dogma. Harry Reid is not anti-gun, for example.
7x57

Harry Reid is also by no definition a liberal. He's a personally socially-conservative Mormon... who is also a fairly centrist Democratic-machine politician.

He could change nothing in his personal policy preferences and win as a Republican in most states.

He's a Democrat because, in Nevada, the strongest political machine is the Democratic party structure in Las Vegas. But it's all about Harry.

--Shannon

campperrykid
01-20-2010, 5:02 PM
Let me pick some polictical brains here;

With Brown (who has an "A" rating with the NRA) now in seat #41 in the Senate, how likely is it that this Congress could actually attempt to resurrect an AWB without a filibuster? It's important to remember that we have (R)s who are just as bad about that.

Erik.
Take a hard look at gun votes , co-sponsor numbers , and SCOTUS brief numbers for Congress. Look at how states lined up on Heller & McDonald.
Last 3 years or so.
1990's style gun control is basically stone dead in Congress and all but 6 or 8 states.

tube_ee
01-20-2010, 5:39 PM
1990's style gun control is basically stone dead in Congress and all but 6 or 8 states.

True enough... and it's a sad commentary on how bad we let things get that so many of us still feel like it's 1992 and the other shoe is an inch from our heads.

The worm has turned, folks.

We're fighting, and we're winning... for the first time in most of our lives. Sometimes I worry that our opponents realize this more than we do.

--Shannon

7x57
01-20-2010, 5:55 PM
Harry Reid is also by no definition a liberal. He's a personally socially-conservative Mormon... who is also a fairly centrist Democratic-machine politician.


I cannot tell you how little I care about whether he is actively pushing an extremely liberal statist agenda out of personal belief or not. He's in the sights of the grass-roots and will be taken down in 2010, which is really the only thing I need to know. The only thing I respect him on is on the gun issue, where he actually voted for us (most notably in voting against the Clinton AW ban) and against the agenda you say he does not believe in. Other than that, he's scum.


He could change nothing in his personal policy preferences and win as a Republican in most states.


When you work your tail off to nationalize much of the economy as though we were a banana republic, frankly the actions speak for themselves.

7x57

racinginthestreets
01-20-2010, 5:59 PM
With the recent loss in Massachusetts for the senate seat, and the talk of the upcoming 2010 seats up for grabs, I doubt that any strict gun laws will be passed anytime soon.

The loss in Massachusetts will likely keep Obama busy for the next three years trying to get his health care bill passed. Being that he will need an independent or republican to vote for his bill to get his 60 votes in the senate, to pass his health care bill, he will likely not infringe on the rights of gun owners if he is to get that 60th vote.

It's a matter of quid pro quo.

7x57
01-20-2010, 6:21 PM
With the recent loss in Massachusetts for the senate seat, and the talk of the upcoming 2010 seats up for grabs, I doubt that any strict gun laws will be passed anytime soon.


Oh, it's so far off the table that Diane Feinstein no doubt sheds quiet tears every night. Basically the Tea Party successes against Democrats in "safe" New Jersey and Mass. and the sweep in Virginia have guaranteed that no more third-rail issues will be touched. When even a chronic pessimist like me becomes persuaded that we're more likely to see Pelosi hug Sarah Palin than see a federal gun-control bill, you're probably safe.

7x57

cbn620
01-20-2010, 6:39 PM
I've been telling y'all since he got elected that he's NOT a liberal. He's a moderate. He's even worse than that. You hate him for the wrong reasons. He's a HARVARD elititist. Doesn't matter that he's Democrat or that he has a name that sounds like "Osama", it's that he represents the status quo. He is the elongation of political stagnation.

Wake up! This man is not the antichrist or the Stalin of your dreams. He is the lawyer. He is the sneak attack. He is the status quo slipping under the gates. Wow. So much hatred, and for such the wrong reasons. FAIL.

Definitely have to agree. I think the hatred is misplaced. So many are calling him a socialist, yet there were socialist candidates running against him saying the guy is so far from a real socialist it's laughable. Many true liberals did not vote for him and many calling themselves progressives are highly against his current policies.

I venture to say Obama has done more for the right wing in this country than he has for the left. Considering the right thought he was going to bring about some kind of Biblical apocalypse, and considering he promised the left a veritable Utopia, and to that end looking at what he has actually done a year into his presidency, I think it is perfectly fair to say the liberals, progressives and socialists have gotten the biggest screw. So it just seems crazy to me that it's the Republicans and the like who are putting up the biggest tiff, still convinced he's going to ban guns any day now and have the military go door to door confiscating our weapons.

I will digress that with the election in Massachusetts, and now the Brady Campaign doing this, it might seem finally some big news dissent from the left will begin to make headlines. But I think certain politically minded people are still legitimately afraid of this guy for all the wrong reasons.

N6ATF
01-20-2010, 7:11 PM
Wow, I agree with the Brady Campaign on something! I also give Obama an F!

I almost feel sorry for him. Can't please ANYBODY! :43:

GuyW
01-20-2010, 7:59 PM
Obama and Klinton are pushing the UN global ban on small arms....see the current issue of the American Rifleman...
.

campperrykid
01-21-2010, 6:54 AM
Keep up the pressure. Over half of the Senate signed the SCOTUS amicus brief backing McDonald against the Chicago gun ban. 38 states , led by Texas , filed as well. Only 3 states backed Chicago.
Join your state association. Join SAF and/or the NRA.
www.saf.org
www.nra.com

nat
01-21-2010, 8:31 AM
Obama and Klinton are pushing the UN global ban on small arms....see the current issue of the American Rifleman...
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I read that and found it a bunch of BS, they are just stoking fear.

VaderSpade
01-21-2010, 9:47 AM
A lame duck Obama is what scares me.

GuyW
01-21-2010, 1:49 PM
I read that and found it a bunch of BS

...well - that's Obama for you...

they are just stoking fear.

....that's what UN bureaucrats do....
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MolonLabe2008
01-21-2010, 6:28 PM
How could Obama do anything? The Presidency is the "executive" branch, not the "legislative" branch.

Now if the "legislative" branch (Congress) created an anti-gun bill and sent it to his desk, you know and I know that he would sign it in a heart beat.

tuolumnejim
01-21-2010, 6:53 PM
I've been telling y'all since he got elected that he's NOT a liberal. He's a moderate. He's even worse than that. You hate him for the wrong reasons. He's a HARVARD elititist. Doesn't matter that he's Democrat or that he has a name that sounds like "Osama", it's that he represents the status quo. He is the elongation of political stagnation.

Wake up! This man is not the antichrist or the Stalin of your dreams. He is the lawyer. He is the sneak attack. He is the status quo slipping under the gates. Wow. So much hatred, and for such the wrong reasons. FAIL.

Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong, the obamasiah is a pure chicago libturd socialist.

scrat
01-21-2010, 9:04 PM
I give him an A. for the year 2009 Obama has been the best fire arms and munitions salesman ever. More guns have been purchased last year than any other year.