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Stanze
01-18-2010, 1:18 PM
http://www.prisonplanet.com/batf-notice-bans-private-gun-sales-in-texas.html

Grrr...:mad:

Cokebottle
01-18-2010, 1:25 PM
Texas is cash-and-carry for long rifles, FFL needed only for handguns, right?

Stanze
01-18-2010, 1:29 PM
Texas is cash-and-carry for long rifles, FFL needed only for handguns, right?

As far as I know, private firearm sales are not regulated in TX (Someone correct me if I'm wrong). BATFE is requesting(read: demanding) that people comply with a non-existent Fed/State/Local law to go through an FFL for private firearm transfers and the gun show promoters are going along (read: intimidated) with it.

adamsreeftank
01-18-2010, 1:49 PM
It looks like it was only a "request". Kind of like when an LEO asks if he can have a look around.

Most people comply with this type of thing without even knowing they are voluntarily giving up their rights.

Fjold
01-18-2010, 1:54 PM
To many trolls on Prison Planet

bwiese
01-18-2010, 1:59 PM
Austin PD and/or Travis Co. Sheriffs may have something to do with this, and may somehow be able to put pressure on SAXET Shows - maybe the venue has a "must cooperate with all LE requests" clause.

Some have speculated that moving to Round Rock area/Williamson County would be more favorable.

I don't see it as a huge problem because you can just wink & nod and do the transfer an hour later in Denny's parking lot.

Bug Splat
01-18-2010, 2:02 PM
It looks like it was only a "request". Kind of like when an LEO asks if he can have a look around.

Most people comply with this type of thing without even knowing they are voluntarily giving up their rights.

Yup. When I was in the process of becoming an officer (never happened do to an injury) that was one of the first things explained to me. They said that 99% of the time if you ask to search someones car or house they will agree not knowing that they have the option to say no. In all the ride-alongs I went on only one guy knew his stuff and declined. He was riding his bike around at 1am in a bad part of town. We stopped and asked to see his ID which he replied "No, I've done nothing illegal. Am I free to go." The officer I was with just smiled and apologized for bothering him and let him go. He just wanted to see if he had been drinking but most people we stopped were so freaked out they would have consented to a full cavity search if asked.

luckystrike
01-18-2010, 8:05 PM
what is a troll? ive herd this everywhere and im sure people are not talking about mystical beings that live under bridges

To many trolls on Prison Planet

Vinz
01-18-2010, 8:07 PM
person that makes a post to create or insite drama.


vinz

Mssr. Eleganté
01-18-2010, 8:07 PM
what is a troll? ive herd this everywhere and im sure people are not talking about mystical beings that live under bridges

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

curtisfong
01-18-2010, 8:07 PM
what is a troll?

!!!! :eek:

Not a question you see much nowadays

M. Sage
01-18-2010, 9:18 PM
Texas is cash-and-carry for long rifles, FFL needed only for handguns, right?

Nope, cash and carry for everything that isn't NFA. PPTs are truly private transactions.

Neat Texas law: You get to skip the background check when buying from an FFL if you have a CCW.

Then again, buying PPT, there is no background check required for anything.

Austin PD and/or Travis Co. Sheriffs may have something to do with this, and may somehow be able to put pressure on SAXET Shows - maybe the venue has a "must cooperate with all LE requests" clause.

Some have speculated that moving to Round Rock area/Williamson County would be more favorable.

I don't see it as a huge problem because you can just wink & nod and do the transfer an hour later in Denny's parking lot.

I know someone who is a Saxet and Texas vendor, I'll have to ask him about this.

However... it sounds like this is some heavy FUD with its origin in an attempt to force all gunshow attendees and exhibitors to have sales tax licenses at a certain show out this way. Happened a few months ago, and it went over like a lead balloon. Nobody was getting into the show until the lawyers showed up (TSRA? I can't remember) and schooled the bureaucrats.

luckystrike
01-18-2010, 9:21 PM
person that makes a post to create or insite drama.


vinz



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

ah I see. thanks. anyway it sounds like what alot of people have said, BATwing asking people and insinuating that it is a law in Texas. its a law they want passed and, well, its not a law so yeah.

M. Sage
01-18-2010, 9:34 PM
Ok, I found info on this on Texas Gun Talk. A lot of heat, but no fire. No solid info and these guys would know if anybody would.

If I have time, I'll call Austin PD tomorrow and see what I can see. Till then, keep an eye on this thread: http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/austin/12802-only-ffls-austin-shows.html

liketoshoot
01-19-2010, 6:28 AM
This is new to Texans and with out much warning. Looks like they are trying to do to them what was done to Ca.
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There is no law to prevent private sales without a license, police issue “direction” on orders of Feds

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, Jan 18, 2010

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is actively issuing directions banning private sales of guns without licenses at gun shows in Texas, despite there being no law to justify such demands.

A caller to the Alex Jones show brought attention to BATF notices handed out at the entrance of the Texas Gun And Knife Show, on North Lamaar, in Austin this past weekend.

rest of the story........
http://www.prisonplanet.com/batf-notice-bans-private-gun-sales-in-texas.html

halifax
01-19-2010, 6:37 AM
merged

liketoshoot
01-19-2010, 8:06 AM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=260595

yea, well, I was busy yesterday! :cool: