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duscati
01-18-2010, 10:36 AM
Thanks to the valiant efforts of the "greeters" at the front and their ability to spot the TOOL that was conspicuously clipped to my pocket. Thought it might interest my fellow calgunners to know that unless they fancy a trip back to their truck, they might want to start thinking like a criminal and do a better job of concealing anything that might be misconstrued as DANGEROUS!! :O Or better yet, simply pretend we never acquired/developed the ability to fashion and utilize tools to further our chances of survival. Ya know what f**k it just cut off those damned opposable thumbs and walk around squawking like a dodo cause by god that's the way were goin.

Dr. Peter Venkman
01-18-2010, 10:37 AM
Right.

Trench Broom
01-18-2010, 10:43 AM
"Tools" can be very upsetting to the mousetapo.

Peter W Bush
01-18-2010, 10:55 AM
They took your folding knife?

Bug Splat
01-18-2010, 10:58 AM
They took your folding knife?

Sounds like they just sent him back to his vehicle to put it away. I normally just put it in my pocket while passing the front gate and clip it back on after I'm in the park. Never had a problem but I do tend to wear longer shirts that cover my pockets.

Window_Seat
01-18-2010, 11:06 AM
http://drewjustice.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/gun-free-zone.jpg

Erik.

mej16489
01-18-2010, 11:16 AM
My wife and I goto Disneyland several times a year. The last time we went on Thanksgiving day she decided to bring her knitting-bag along...she was trying to finish something for someone before Christmas I think...

Anyhow, they asked her to return it to the car. I was legally CCW the entire time...

Peter W Bush
01-18-2010, 11:27 AM
My wife and I goto Disneyland several times a year. The last time we went on Thanksgiving day she decided to bring her knitting-bag along...she was trying to finish something for someone before Christmas I think...

Anyhow, they asked her to return it to the car. I was legally CCW the entire time...
:D:D:D:D

crud
01-18-2010, 11:30 AM
I honestly think what they did was a good idea! If I would have had a folding knife on me the last time I was there, I would have slit my own throat.

tonelar
01-18-2010, 11:37 AM
I heard they re-armed the Jungle Cruise boat captains/ any confirmation?

Mr.Pickles
01-18-2010, 11:48 AM
I heard they re-armed the Jungle Cruise boat captains/ any confirmation?

when I was there a couple years back the person doing it reloaded a couple times. cap guns are hilarious.

Rekrab
01-18-2010, 11:57 AM
Last time I went on it the boat captains had their guns, but they were tethered to the boat.

xxdabroxx
01-18-2010, 12:25 PM
always hide the knife! First rule of amusement parks or clubs in mexico. Did they really think i would go to mexico unarmed?

steadyrock
01-18-2010, 12:31 PM
Same thing happened to me last year. I walked around the corner, dropped it in my pocket, and came back thru the same gate. Knife was clipped right back in place as soon as I was through the gate.

duscati
01-18-2010, 12:35 PM
Trench - Niice.
Erik - Exactly.
Mej - I've often taken comfort in knowing that, statistically, at least 100 or more responsible law abiding armed citizens are attending on a typical day. However, this is exactly the type of fear based band-aid policy that eventually begets more of the same. Imagine for a second how it feels for a grown man to basically be told "you can't be trusted, your judgment is suspect and we must, effectively, babysit you for your own good". I suppose we could ask a liberal.

TurboS600
01-18-2010, 12:38 PM
I honestly think what they did was a good idea! If I would have had a folding knife on me the last time I was there, I would have slit my own throat.

:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

KING_PALM
01-18-2010, 12:39 PM
i am an annual pass holder and go to disneyland about 3-4 times a week. ( i know there is something wrong with me )
i carry my surefire e2d , 6 inch kershaw folder and my mantis neck knife every time i go. i always slide my kershaw into my pocket and leave my surefire clipped. this last time i was there they stopped me and tried to make me put my light back in the car. i really like their false sense of security they have there. also dont print when you ccw at dismo. that is a very very very big no no there.

have been removed from down town disney for talking about ar's and ak's.

when I was there a couple years back the person doing it reloaded a couple times. cap guns are hilarious.
22 mag caps.thats what they are using now.

Stanze
01-18-2010, 12:43 PM
My wife and I goto Disneyland several times a year. The last time we went on Thanksgiving day she decided to bring her knitting-bag along...she was trying to finish something for someone before Christmas I think...

Anyhow, they asked her to return it to the car. I was legally CCW the entire time...

My wife and sister-in-law routinely bring super long knitting needles on plane trips to knit while in flight. It blows me away that TSA allows them to board the plane when so many other petty things are not permitted.

CWM4A1
01-18-2010, 12:46 PM
have been removed from down town disney for talking about ar's and ak's.


Care to elaborate on this one? Want to know more info.

xxdabroxx
01-18-2010, 12:50 PM
My wife and sister-in-law routinely bring super long knitting needles on plane trips to knit while in flight. It blows me away that TSA allows them to board the plane when so many other petty things are not permitted.

I believe screwdrivers up to a certain length are ok. 6" comes to mind but i'm not sure if that is OAL or what.

sfwdiy
01-18-2010, 12:52 PM
Care to elaborate on this one? Want to know more info.

Yes, this sounds like it may be an amusing anecdote.

--B

duscati
01-18-2010, 12:59 PM
Crud - The knife is merely a last ditch backup in case I lose the cyanide capsule or lack the compunction to swallow my own tongue. I'd hate to leave a big mess for them to clean up but if I had to I wouldn't think twice. If you thought for a SECOND I was there of my own volition you were seriously mistaken :D

Dabro - There is a nice little CRKT K.I.S.S. being fielded by a typically less than qualified Mexican LEO RIGHT now because of that very reason. I suppose we all have to learn somehow. The moral being bring the cheap one. I got lucky.

Steadyrock - Were you watching me? You MUST have been watching me.

steadyrock
01-18-2010, 1:02 PM
Steadyrock - Were you watching me? You MUST have been watching me.

Every breath you take, every move you make... :43:

toopercentmlk
01-18-2010, 1:46 PM
Same thing happened to me last year. I walked around the corner, dropped it in my pocket, and came back thru the same gate. Knife was clipped right back in place as soon as I was through the gate.
Exact same process for me, and the gf moves her EDP(purse)C kershaw assisted folder to her pocket since they love to rummage through bags, then back to the purse.

MasterYong
01-18-2010, 1:50 PM
They tried to take my WALLET CHAIN last time I went. Said it was a "weapon". It's only 8 inches long for Christs' sake...

Curtis
01-18-2010, 1:50 PM
Before Christmas they asked me to return my knife to the car. I dropped it in a trash can expecting to pick it up a few minutes later. They took it out of the trash can. (I didn't want to go back because the kids were cranky). When they refused to ride in the stroller (not 3 min. later) I asked for it back as I was returning my stroller to the car. They had to call in to find out were the plan clothes security guard was located. There were several of them. Nice thing was their radios all looked like phones with blue tooth or ipods. I was impressed. They actually followed me for a short distance.

Next time when my wife said, "****.....your knife" I just dropped it into my pocket. My argument: you ever tried to cut any food with the plastic knives they give you? And I have three boys that need their pizza or some other food item cut up.

In their defense, a person was stabbed to death in the park in the late 80's

mej16489
01-18-2010, 1:56 PM
My wife and sister-in-law routinely bring super long knitting needles on plane trips to knit while in flight. It blows me away that TSA allows them to board the plane when so many other petty things are not permitted.

My wife brings plastic ones on the airplane...and complains that she doesn't like them compared to alluminum ones.

I made the mistake once of saying, "Please don't tell me you can tell the difference." Her response was, "Then you can't complain about wearing a dress belt instead of 'a proper gunbelt' "

I really love being married, it adds so much new insite to life, too bad we didn't meet 20 years ago :)

mej16489
01-18-2010, 2:00 PM
Nice thing was their radios all looked like phones with blue tooth or ipods. I was impressed. They actually followed me for a short distance.


They switched to Nextel service awhile back.


In their defense, a person was stabbed to death in the park in the late 80's

That's a good enough reason for me to never be unarmed. :)

duscati
01-18-2010, 2:06 PM
EDP. Classic.

Mej - BINGO.

KING_PALM
01-18-2010, 2:11 PM
when i was removed from dtd i was told that i was not allow to talk about firearms and or explosives or anything like that on the property of the land.
then escorted out by plain clothed security ( dressed head to toe disney gear with earpieces ). and some uniform ones as well.

I lived around disneyland for a while and i will tell you the amount of people who get robbed at knife point around the land is alot. i always carry some sort of personal protection when i am there because i know how things go down in the area. now if only i could get a ccw.

disneyland rules. tuesday-thursday are the best days and you wont have any issues with anything. unless you are me with a foot tall mickey mouse on your shin!

hah

professionalcoyotehunter
01-18-2010, 2:14 PM
At Magic Mountain they made me take my keyholder back to my car since it looks like a large safety pin and could stab someone WTF. If I was going to do anything there the last thing it would be is a stabbing.

KING_PALM
01-18-2010, 2:22 PM
magic mountain has a bad gang problem last time i checked.

and so does knotts. but then again i only visit the magic kingdom.

Roadrunner
01-18-2010, 2:23 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, may I have your attention please?

http://disneycharacterlistbyname.info/images/disney_characters_list_by_name_group_23lw.jpg

For your safety and the safety of the other park guests, we ask that you keep all knives, swords, rifles, handguns, hand grenades, bazooka's, napalm, and C4 in your car. It's for the Children.

RudyN
01-18-2010, 2:28 PM
I went to Marine World in Vallejo a while ago and forgot I had my big foler in my pocket. When I went through the check in I was asked to take it back to my car. I did not want to walk all the way back to the parking are so I stuck it in my shoe and when the metal detector went off again I showed the my artificial leg and went in with no problem. Sometimes having a artificial leg is good. :43:

KING_PALM
01-18-2010, 2:31 PM
fun ruiner!

spddrcr
01-18-2010, 2:33 PM
I got a personal escort from disney security back to my car to put a knife away myself. this was several years ago and i was a pass holder at the time. the thing that cracked me up was there was this little old asian lady who was being told she couldnt bring her scissors from her knitting kit in the park as well, but they had to be the biggest pair of scissors i have ever seen in my life. now if i go to disney i just drop a knife into each of my sons pockets and call it a day:D

pnkssbtz
01-18-2010, 2:37 PM
In their defense, a person was stabbed to death in the park in the late 80's

Ahem: http://www.snopes.com/disney/parks/deaths.asp

Claim: Several guests have lost their lives on various Disneyland attractions.

Status: True.

Origins: Nine guests have been killed on Disneyland attractions since the park's opening in 1955. All the deaths (save the two most recent) were the result of guests who apparently ignored safety instructions and/or defeated rides' safety mechanisms.

* May 1964: Mark Maples, a 15-year-old Long Beach, CA, resident, was killed when he tried to stand up on the Matterhorn Bobsleds. Maples (or his companion) foolishly unbuckled his seatbeat and attempted to stand up as their bobsled neared the peak of the mountain. Maples lost his balance and was thrown from the sled to the track below, fracturing his skull and ribs and causing internal injuries. He died three days later.

* June 1966: Thomas Guy Cleveland, a 19-year-old Northridge, CA, resident, was killed when he attempted to sneak into Disneyland along the Monorail track. Cleveland scaled the park's sixteen-foot high outer fence on a Grad Nite and climbed onto the Monorail track, intending to jump or climb down once inside the park. Cleveland ignored a security guard's shouted warnings of an approaching Monorail train and failed to leap clear of the track. He finally climbed down onto a fiberglass canopy beneath the track, but the clearance wasn't enough the oncoming train struck and killed him, dragging his body 30 to 40 feet down the track.

* August 1967: Ricky Lee Yama, a 17-year-old Hawthorne, CA, resident, was killed when he disregarded safety instructions and exited his People Mover car as the ride was passing through a tunnel. Yama slipped as he was jumping from car to car and was crushed to death beneath the wheels of oncoming cars.

* June 1973: Bogden Delaurot, an 18-year-old Brooklyn resident, drowned trying to swim across the Rivers of America. Delaurot and his 10-year-old brother managed to stay on Tom Sawyer Island past its dusk closing time by climbing the fence separating the island from the burning settlers' cabin. When they decided to leave the island a few hours later, they chose to swim across the river rather than call attention to their rule-breaking by appealing to cast members for help. Because the younger brother did not know how to swim, Delaurot tried to carry him on his back as he swam to shore. Bogden Delaurot went down about halfway across the river. The younger boy remained afloat by dogpaddling until a ride operator hauled him aboard a boat, but Bogden was nowhere to be found. His body was not located by searchers until the next morning.

* 7 June 1980: Gerardo Gonzales, a recent San Diego high school graduate, was killed on the People Mover in an accident much like the one that had befallen Ricky Lee Yama thirteen years earlier. Gonzales, in the early morning hours of a Grad Nite celebration, was climbing from car to car as the People Mover entered the SuperSpeed Tunnel adjacent to the former America Sings building. Gonzales stumbled and fell onto the track, where an oncoming train of cars crushed him beneath its wheels and dragged his body a few hundred feet before being stopped by a ride operator.

* 4 June 1983: Philip Straughan, an 18-year-old Albuquerque, New Mexico, resident, also drowned in the Rivers of America in yet another Grad Nite incident. Straughan and a friend celebrating both their graduations and Straughan's eighteenth birthday had been drinking quite heavily that evening. They sneaked into a "Cast Members Only" area along the river and untied an inflatable rubber maintenance motorboat, deciding to take it for a joyride around the river. Unable to adequately control the boat, they struck a rock near Tom Sawyer Island, and Straughan was thrown into the water. His friend traveled back to shore to seek help, but Straughan drowned long before his body was finally located an hour later.

* 3 January 1984: Dolly Regene Young, a 48-year-old Fremont, CA, resident, was killed on the Matterhorn in an incident remarkably similar to the first Disneyland guest death nearly twenty years earlier. About two-thirds of the way down the mountain Young was thrown from her seat into the path of an oncoming bobsled, her head and chest becoming pinned beneath its wheels. An examination of Young's sled revealed that her seatbelt was not fastened at the time of the accident, but because she was riding alone in the rear car of a sled no one could determine whether or not she had deliberately unfastened her belt.

* 24 December 1998: In a tragic Christmas Eve accident, one Disneyland cast member and two guests were injured (one fatally) when a rope used to secure the sailing ship Columbia as it docked on the Rivers of America tore loose the metal cleat to which it was attached. The cleat sailed through air and struck the heads of two guests who were waiting to board the ship, Luan Phi Dawson, 33, of Duvall, Washington, and his wife, Lieu Thuy Vuong, 43. Dawson was declared brain dead two days later and died when his life support system was disconnected.

This accident resulted in the first guest death in Disneyland's history that was not attributable to any negligence on the part of the guest (it was the result of a combination of insufficiently rigorous ride maintenance and an insufficiently experienced supervisor's assuming an attraction operator's role) and prompted a movement for greater government oversight of theme park operations and safety procedures.

* 5 September 2003: A 22-year-old man, Marcelo Torres of Gardena, California, died, and several other guests were injured, when a locomotive separated from its train along a tunnel section of Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. Torres bled to death after suffering blunt force trauma of the chest.

So... when will Disneyland ban rides?

Roadrunner
01-18-2010, 2:37 PM
They don't like flasks with Scotch in them either.

Just sayin'

8-Ball
01-18-2010, 2:41 PM
They could make it way easier on themselves by just banning people...

mtptwo
01-18-2010, 2:47 PM
I've had to deal with this. I have even been wanded going into county fairs. Any more, before I get to the gate, I slip my knife up under my hat and walk through unmolested :D

obeygiant
01-18-2010, 2:54 PM
Same thing happened to me last year. I walked around the corner, dropped it in my pocket, and came back thru the same gate. Knife was clipped right back in place as soon as I was through the gate.

This ^^^ has worked for me each time I've gone. As you walk to the gate drop it in your pocket once you're inside you can put it back to where you had it. This was the advice I got from an older gentleman working the gate who saw that I was there with my 2 little girls and didn't feel like making me go all the way back to the car.

M1A Rifleman
01-18-2010, 2:55 PM
Hmm, it must be the way you look. I was there three days with an exposed concealment holster fanny pack and they never once asked to inspect. :D

MrPlutonium
01-18-2010, 2:58 PM
Yes, I would like to go to disneyland naked.

El Gato
01-18-2010, 3:03 PM
was there a couple of months ago...carried my 5 shot in my ankle rig and a 1911 in an iwb...allegedly...only God knows for sure... and a a ZT knives 0301...also known as a big honkin' knife... waltzed in.. everything covered up...

nhanson
01-18-2010, 3:08 PM
Hum........every time I'm there , a knife in each pocket and 40 oz of stainless steel with appropriate brass and lead components in the waistband! Irritates my wife as they search her purse she can barely get her wallet in and I just cruise through.........all that security makes you feel good though....doesn't it?

KING_PALM
01-18-2010, 3:35 PM
Ahem: http://www.snopes.com/disney/parks/deaths.asp


So... when will Disneyland ban rides?


no one has technically died at the land. they may have been killed there but they do not pronounce them dead untill they are off of the property

El Gato
01-18-2010, 3:35 PM
Love Knotts on cop day....:cool:....wonderment....count the close cropped hair and untucked shirts...
saw a gangster in Dec. when there... him and his buddy looked like a fish outa water... prison tatoo's and all...:43:

VW*Mike
01-18-2010, 3:36 PM
The wife and I have an annual pass. We have been asked to "unzip and open" our jackets. Thats it. If one really want to sneak in a gun, all it would take is putting it on an ankle holster, or in the small of you back or waist band. Lame.

KING_PALM
01-18-2010, 3:37 PM
They could make it way easier on themselves by just banning people...

ive been banned too. but thats another story.

stillnotbob
01-18-2010, 3:58 PM
Ever gone to Disneyland with an off duty female DEA agent? They let them take their off duty weapon (located in their purse) right in with them. After checking ID of course.

professionalcoyotehunter
01-18-2010, 4:00 PM
no one has technically died at the land. they may have been killed there but they do not pronounce them dead untill they are off of the property

I have heard this from several people.

KING_PALM
01-18-2010, 4:04 PM
I have heard this from several people.

its a pretty well known fact. no one has been pronounced dead on the property. that way no one has ever been killed there.
also if you dont eat any type of meet or are against eating pork. dont eat the turkey legs. they ham on a bone!

Glock22Fan
01-18-2010, 4:26 PM
My wife brings plastic ones on the airplane...and complains that she doesn't like them compared to alluminum ones.

I made the mistake once of saying, "Please don't tell me you can tell the difference." Her response was, "Then you can't complain about wearing a dress belt instead of 'a proper gunbelt' "

I really love being married, it adds so much new insite to life, too bad we didn't meet 20 years ago :)

I guess you don't mind drinking wine out of plastic glasses either (urghhh)

riprap
01-18-2010, 5:27 PM
Me, the G23, and a the Benchmades have never had a problem at the Mouse House.

Thrasher416
01-18-2010, 5:31 PM
I remember having several discussions with my dad about Disneyland security when we visited there (I was in High School at the time). We never had a problem getting in with our pocket knives (though they didn't have pocket clips) and my key chain with a 9mm bullet, and thought it would be easy to just walk in with a concealed firearm (I think this tread confirms it ;)).

Our big question was what would they do in the case of a shooting or bombing. We just assumed that with all those damn cameras and tunnels they would stop the trouble maker real quick. We were pretty sure they had some sort of armed security.

That and/ or maybe it is just because the prices are high enough to keep the gangsta types out.

five.five-six
01-18-2010, 5:43 PM
I heard they re-armed the Jungle Cruise boat captains/ any confirmation?

that's a roger

Codelphious
01-18-2010, 6:01 PM
I've been to Disneyland at least 200 times in the last 5 years and never had a problem with "security." If you're not carrying a purse or backpack you're pretty much invisible to their "security" checkpoint.

Although, on one fateful Wednesday morning (8:00 am - park opening) in August I wasn't allowed to walk right through the checkpoint. I protested, and the little old lady proclaimed that they've been doing visual inspection of all persons (even those without bags) since the checkpoint went up after 9/11. Well apparently they never told the afternoon staff because to this day that was the only time I was inspected (and the last time I'll entertain myself with their morning checkpoint).

As with most checkpoints, the security is merely a show.

Gryff
01-18-2010, 7:46 PM
I got caught with my folder visible in my pocket. The geriatric guard told me I had to go put it back in my car.

On the way through Downtown Disney, I noticed that they actually had a security guard follow me. Just for kicks, I went into a bathroom and dropped the knife all the way into my pocket.

On the way out of the bathroom, Mickey's Junior G-Man was chatting up some female worker, and I was able to walk away without him seeing me leave the bathroom.

With that kind of security, I figured I was obligated to go back into the park with the knife as my personal form of protest.

ErikTheRed
01-18-2010, 9:41 PM
What? No metal detectors? Last time I was at Paramount's Great America (or whatever its called this year) we had to go through metal detectors. If you didn't make it through without the buzzer, they'd ask you to empty your pockets and then they'd wand you. So even if you had a knife in your pocket, under your hat or in your shoe, they'd find it.

KING_PALM
01-18-2010, 9:45 PM
What? No metal detectors? Last time I was at Paramount's Great America (or whatever its called this year) we had to go through metal detectors. If you didn't make it through without the buzzer, they'd ask you to empty your pockets and then they'd wand you. So even if you had a knife in your pocket, under your hat or in your shoe, they'd find it.


the house of mouse > other theme park

you have to remember that mostly kids and and lil tots are at the land with their parents. not all the teens with the crew

ErikTheRed
01-18-2010, 10:02 PM
the house of mouse > other theme park



Yeah, I get it. I was just using Great America as an example, and asking if there are no metal detectors at "The House Of Mouse". I haven't been there in years, but it being in the middle of LA, I figured they'd have moved into the 21st century by now. Heck, in some areas, you gotta pass through a metal detector just to watch a ball game or on your way to social studies class.

Roadrunner
01-19-2010, 7:45 AM
It's going to be interesting when California gets shall issue. Does anyone know what Disney World does with people in Florida who conceal carry?

MasterYong
01-19-2010, 8:36 AM
was there a couple of months ago...carried my 5 shot in my ankle rig and a 1911 in an iwb...allegedly...only God knows for sure... and a a ZT knives 0301...also known as a big honkin' knife... waltzed in.. everything covered up...

I had been told that when you have a CCW you can't carry 2 of your guns at once. Is that FUD? When I was told it actually affected a handgun purchase. I was gonna buy this little handgun (can't remember the make/model) and when the dealer asked "why would you want such a small gun, you have big hands!" I told him that when I finally get off my butt and get my CCW that it would be a nice backup. His response was that while you can have 3 guns on your CCW, you can only carry one at a time. Again: FUD?

Ron-Solo
01-19-2010, 11:03 AM
It's going to be interesting when California gets shall issue. Does anyone know what Disney World does with people in Florida who conceal carry?

It's private property, they can do what they want. A lot of places (Dodger Stadium, Angel Stadium) already prohibit CCW, even for LEOs. Their house, their rules. That's one reason why I don't go to Dodger Stadium anymore. Too many thugs, and I won't leave it in my car in the parking lot.

Roadrunner
01-19-2010, 11:40 AM
It's private property, they can do what they want. A lot of places (Dodger Stadium, Angel Stadium) already prohibit CCW, even for LEOs. Their house, their rules. That's one reason why I don't go to Dodger Stadium anymore. Too many thugs, and I won't leave it in my car in the parking lot.

That's fine, but that really wasn't the question. Perhaps it was the way I worded the question; I'll rephrase it. Since Florida Disney is in a shall issue state with castle doctrine and most everything we wish we had, and since a large number of the local population have carry licenses and probably do carry, does Disney provide lockers for their firearms? Or, for the sake of not completely pissing off that paying part of the local Florida economy, do they generally close their eyes to that reality while at the same time put up a facade of security with those halfassed security check points? If lockers for guns, or turning a blind eye to the "problem" are possibilities, then would it be any different in California?

Decoligny
01-19-2010, 12:32 PM
i am an annual pass holder and go to disneyland about 3-4 times a week. ( i know there is something wrong with me )
i carry my surefire e2d , 6 inch kershaw folder and my mantis neck knife every time i go. i always slide my kershaw into my pocket and leave my surefire clipped. this last time i was there they stopped me and tried to make me put my light back in the car. i really like their false sense of security they have there. also dont print when you ccw at dismo. that is a very very very big no no there.

have been removed from down town disney for talking about ar's and ak's.


22 mag caps.thats what they are using now.

I am guessing that this is the Mantis Neck Knife in question.

http://www.knivesplus.com/media/MN-MU3.jpg

If it is, please be aware that under CA Penal Code 12020 carrying any fixed blade knife concealed is a Felony. Do Not get caught with this knife concealed.

MasterYong
01-19-2010, 12:43 PM
http://www.hiddenmickeys.org/Disneyland/Stories/Security.html

:popcorn:

POLICESTATE
01-19-2010, 1:00 PM
I am guessing that this is the Mantis Neck Knife in question.

http://www.knivesplus.com/media/MN-MU3.jpg

If it is, please be aware that under CA Penal Code 12020 carrying any fixed blade knife concealed is a Felony. Do Not get caught with this knife concealed.

I know this is going to sound stupid/insolent, but one must think about plastic dinner knives, like the kind you get at take out resturaunts. I am known to carry them in a pocket (along with a fork, or even the dreaded spoon) but I bet some smarty civil master might use it as an excuse to screw with me if they felt like it (Milpitas PD or Fremont PD come to mind).

IIRC even fix bladed knives made out of ceramics and plastic are felonies to carry concealed.

Decoligny
01-19-2010, 1:37 PM
I know this is going to sound stupid/insolent, but one must think about plastic dinner knives, like the kind you get at take out resturaunts. I am known to carry them in a pocket (along with a fork, or even the dreaded spoon) but I bet some smarty civil master might use it as an excuse to screw with me if they felt like it (Milpitas PD or Fremont PD come to mind).

IIRC even fix bladed knives made out of ceramics and plastic are felonies to carry concealed.

Last I read in the PC it was only a crime to manufacture them for sale, or import them for sale. It is perfectly legal to carry them.

12001.1. (a) Any person in this state who commercially manufactures or causes to be commercially manufactured, or who knowingly imports into the state for commercial sale, or who knowingly exports out of this state for commercial, dealer, wholesaler, or distributor sale, or who keeps for commercial sale, or offers or exposes for commercial, dealer, wholesaler, or distributor sale, any undetectable knife is guilty of a misdemeanor. As used in this section, an "undetectable knife" means any knife or other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death that is commercially manufactured to be used as a weapon and is not detectable by a metal detector or magnetometer, either handheld or otherwise, that is set at standard calibration.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, commencing January 1, 2000, all knives or other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death that are commercially manufactured in this state that utilize materials that are not detectable by a metal detector or magnetometer, shall be manufactured to include materials that will ensure they are detectable by a metal detector or magnetometer, either handheld or otherwise, that is set at standard calibration.
(c) This section shall not apply to the manufacture or importation of undetectable knives for sale to a law enforcement or military entity with a valid agency, department, or unit purchase order, nor shall this section apply to the subsequent sale of these knives to a law enforcement or military entity.
(d) This section shall not apply to the manufacture or importation of undetectable knives for sale to federal, state, and local historical societies, museums, and institutional collections which are open to the public, provided that the undetectable knives are properly housed and secured from unauthorized handling, nor shall this section apply to the subsequent sale of the knives to these societies, museums, and collections.

As far as the plastic dinner knives, they usually have a rounded tip and are thus "not readily able to be used for stabbing", and would not fit the PC definition of a "dirk or dagger", and would thus be legal to carry concealed.

PC 12020 (24) As used in this section, a "dirk" or "dagger" means a knife or other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death. A nonlocking folding knife, a folding knife that is not prohibited by Section 653k, or a pocketknife is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death only if the blade of the knife is exposed and locked into position.

KING_PALM
01-19-2010, 2:10 PM
I am guessing that this is the Mantis Neck Knife in question.

http://www.knivesplus.com/media/MN-MU3.jpg

If it is, please be aware that under CA Penal Code 12020 carrying any fixed blade knife concealed is a Felony. Do Not get caught with this knife concealed.


under 2 inches is legal to cc.

Decoligny
01-19-2010, 2:22 PM
under 2 inches is legal to cc.

Please provide a citation to the Penal Code that state this. Show me the exemption for under 2".

I have provided a citation to the Penal Code that deals with dirks or daggers, and it doesn't have a length exemption listed anywhere.

PC 12020 (24) As used in this section, a "dirk" or "dagger" means a knife or other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death. A nonlocking folding knife, a folding knife that is not prohibited by Section 653k, or a pocketknife is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death only if the blade of the knife is exposed and locked into position.

Since there is no definition anywhere in the Penal Code as to how long a knife must be to "inflict great bodily injury or death", then there is no minimum length published anywhere to limit the prosecution from bringing felony charges for carrying any length dirk or dagger.

If I take a 2 inch fixed blade knife and stab you in the side of the neck with it, chances are pretty good that I will be able to sever your jugular vein and your external and maybe even your internal carotid arteries. This will probably result in your death in short order. Thus a 2" knife may inflict great bodily injury or death.

ddindetroit
01-29-2010, 11:53 AM
Ever gone to Disneyland with an off duty female DEA agent? They let them take their off duty weapon (located in their purse) right in with them. After checking ID of course.

Hey, when is she available to go to Disney? I could use an escort!

ddindetroit:)

78USN98
01-29-2010, 12:44 PM
I've been told twice to take my knife back to the vehicle. Once, the clip was plainly visible. I walked away into Downtown Disney and came back to a different gate with my knife in my boot. A plainclothes guy came up to me and showed me his badge and kindly escorted me all the way back to the parking garage. He said he could have taken my pass and had me banned. He didn't ask for my pass or take my name. He was pretty cool actually.
Another time I went though the check point and had to show them my cell phone and the lady asked me what I had in my pocket. Same knife, Spyderco Delica, it was hidden and I was busted again! I do think that I was ratted out by someone who may have saw it in one of the DownTown stores. I am very careful now and don't get caught.:D
Now, everytime I see a punk with a wallet chain or a motorcycle chain belt I point it out to the checker! They get through everytime. I also keep my eyes open for guys walking around with clips visible and politely tell them my story. They are always cool about it and thankful.

mooster
01-29-2010, 12:51 PM
when i was removed from dtd i was told that i was not allow to talk about firearms and or explosives or anything like that on the property of the land.
then escorted out by plain clothed security ( dressed head to toe disney gear with earpieces ). and some uniform ones as well.


Odd. When I was there in December I had my FN shirt (big M240B on the back) and my Dillon Aero shirt (M134d on back with "He who shoots the most, the fastest wins") and had no problems with DtD or in either parks. It's probably hit or miss with who is working security that day.

Roadrunner
01-29-2010, 12:56 PM
Odd. When I was there in December I had my FN shirt (big M240B on the back) and my Dillon Aero shirt (M134d on back with "He who shoots the most, the fastest wins") and had no problems with DtD or in either parks. It's probably hit or miss with who is working security that day.

I've never had any problems wearing this T shirt either.

http://www.militarymagnets.com/images/T220_Peace_Through_Superior_Firepower.jpg

lrdchivalry
01-29-2010, 1:04 PM
Ever gone to Disneyland with an off duty female DEA agent? They let them take their off duty weapon (located in their purse) right in with them. After checking ID of course.

Really? How long ago was this? Prior to 9/11 when I went to Disneyland I carried in a fanny pack and never had a problem, however, since 9/11 I have never been able to carry my weapon into Disneyland and I am a federal leo as well. I am not quite sure I believe this one.

lrdchivalry
01-29-2010, 1:05 PM
I've never had any problems wearing this T shirt either.


http://www.militarymagnets.com/images/T220_Peace_Through_Superior_Firepower.jpg


Love that shirt, where did you get it?

Roadrunner
01-29-2010, 1:20 PM
Love that shirt, where did you get it?

Don't remember exactly, but you can google it and find a seller that way.

UPDATE: This is the best website (4armedforces.com) to buy T shirts

gun toting monkeyboy
01-29-2010, 1:28 PM
Sounds like they just sent him back to his vehicle to put it away. I normally just put it in my pocket while passing the front gate and clip it back on after I'm in the park. Never had a problem but I do tend to wear longer shirts that cover my pockets.

+1 I do this all the time there. Never had a problem. They don't search your person. But if you have a big, honkin' knife sticking out of your pocket, they will turn you away. Remember, it it their park. They make the rules. If you don't give them a reason to turn you away, or tell you no knives allowed, they won't even bring it up.

-Mb

blacksheep
01-29-2010, 1:36 PM
I honestly think what they did was a good idea! If I would have had a folding knife on me the last time I was there, I would have slit my own throat.

It's so much better when Mickey & Goofy do it.:D

Roadrunner
01-29-2010, 1:37 PM
They turned me away with this once. It was empty and in my backpack, but they still refused to allow me to take it into the tragic kingdom.

http://images.marketworks.com/hi/49/49296/flasksubtwo101204.jpg

PaperPuncher
01-29-2010, 1:49 PM
[QUOTE=POLICESTATE;3666675]
(Milpitas PD or Fremont PD come to mind).
QUOTE]

Hahahaha...Grew up in both and YES!!!

duscati
02-27-2010, 2:18 PM
The plainclothes blowhards identify themselves with...ready for it...MOUSE SHAPED BADGES IN WALLETS THEY PULL OUT OF THEIR POCKETS WITH AS MUCH AUTHORITY AND BRAVADO THEY CAN MUSTER. Now that, my friends, is rich.

Roadrunner
02-27-2010, 2:28 PM
The plainclothes blowhards identify themselves with...ready for it...MOUSE SHAPED BADGES IN WALLETS THEY PULL OUT OF THEIR POCKETS WITH AS MUCH AUTHORITY AND BRAVADO THEY CAN MUSTER. Now that, my friends, is rich.

So, can we refer to them as "The House of Mouse Ninjas"?

Bobbar
02-27-2010, 2:44 PM
If ur at disneyland and they want u to put it in ur car. I just go to the other park DCA or disneyland side. Not much power they have.

Turbinator
02-27-2010, 5:28 PM
I heard they re-armed the Jungle Cruise boat captains/ any confirmation?

Proof -

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu225/turbinator_870/DSC_1660b.jpg

I personally took this photo in May of 2009, at Disneyworld.

Turby

chsk9
02-27-2010, 5:50 PM
Thanks to the valiant efforts of the "greeters" at the front and their ability to spot the TOOL that was conspicuously clipped to my pocket. Thought it might interest my fellow calgunners to know that unless they fancy a trip back to their truck, they might want to start thinking like a criminal and do a better job of concealing anything that might be misconstrued as DANGEROUS!! :O Or better yet, simply pretend we never acquired/developed the ability to fashion and utilize tools to further our chances of survival. Ya know what f**k it just cut off those damned opposable thumbs and walk around squawking like a dodo cause by god that's the way were goin.

What do you think your wife's purse (or inside your pocket) is for?

50 Freak
02-27-2010, 10:59 PM
Screw DL, I've carried my CCW in there a few times. I figure the worse they can do if they find my legally carried CCW is ask me to leave the park.

I figure if some nutjob wanted to "make a statement" and take out as many people as possible. DL is a prime target.

Doheny
02-27-2010, 11:06 PM
It's going to be interesting when California gets shall issue. Does anyone know what Disney World does with people in Florida who conceal carry?

They ask you to leave. You can't CCW in Disneyland or Disneyworld. Yes, people here will say they've done it, but as it's been mentioned, it's private property.

ETA: Found this on another site (http://forums.officer.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-32663.html). The post five years old, but I can't imagine things have gotten less strict. It mentioned locking your gun at the front; that's in FL; not sure if it's still done, I'm pretty sure it's not done in CA, since they wouldn't let you in in the the first place if you were carrying.

From: Walt Disney World Guest Mail <guest.mail@wdw.disneyonline.com>
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Thank you for contacting the Walt Disney World? Resort.

It may interest you to know we have a strict policy regarding firearms. Our policy is that no guns
are permitted in our theme Parks or Resorts. If a resort guest brings one on property, it must be
locked up in the safe deposit boxes at the front desk, not in a room safe. If guests visiting our
theme parks bring in firearms, it must either be left in their vehicle, or checked in with security
when entering the park. Only on-duty law enforcement officers whose agency has jurisdiction
at the Walt Disney World? Resort may carry any weapon.

We hope you find this information helpful.

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Can you please advise me if Disney World theme parks do have any official
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acheron800
02-28-2010, 12:31 AM
They don't like flasks with Scotch in them either.

Just sayin'

They like ones with crown in them though! ;)

The looks of people as I am in the 2 hour line for indiana jones, they wished they were as smart as me to come prepared. HA

Doheny
02-28-2010, 12:33 AM
They turned me away with this once. It was empty and in my backpack, but they still refused to allow me to take it into the tragic kingdom.

Fancy flask you've got there. What are they symbols?

Thrasher416
02-28-2010, 1:27 AM
They turned me away with this once. It was empty and in my backpack, but they still refused to allow me to take it into the tragic kingdom.

http://images.marketworks.com/hi/49/49296/flasksubtwo101204.jpg

Was it because it was a beverage container or because of the Soviet markings?

Last year I saw this one guy with a "Che" style portrait of Lenin getting on the Matterhorn no problem.


Fancy flask you've got there. What are they symbols?

From the dates it's probably a World War II ("Great Patriotic War") commemorative.

jerryg1776
02-28-2010, 9:10 PM
Dabro - There is a nice little CRKT K.I.S.S. being fielded by a typically less than qualified Mexican LEO RIGHT now because of that very reason. I suppose we all have to learn somehow. The moral being bring the cheap one. I got lucky.



Cross early, buy a cheap knife in TJ and leave it when you cross back. What happens in TJ stays in TJ... well way back when I was younger.

It's only 8 inches long for Christs' sake...

I tried that line once too. They told me to get a better ruler.. not sure what that meant though... hmmm