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ipser
01-18-2010, 11:06 AM
The nation’s police chiefs are finding an alarming increase in criminals’ use of assault weapons — the high-powered battlefield rifles that used to be banned, back when the federal government showed greater concern for public safety. The 10-year ban expired in 2004, despite the vows of presidential nominees from both parties to fight for renewal. Congress hasn’t mustered the guts to try, preferring to roll over for the gun lobby.

Times Topics: Gun ControlA survey of more than 130 local police chiefs and officials found 37 percent reporting an increase in assault weapons in street crime. Front-line police find criminals generally packing more powerful heat, with more than half of the chiefs citing increases in large-caliber handguns and high-capacity semiautomatics — the real-life stuff of tough-guy movie fantasies. Miami police reported that four years after politicians allowed the federal ban to lapse, homicides by assault weapons increased sixfold, including the murder of two police officers.

The findings were part of a police brass “summit on guns and crime” in Washington last November that was studiously ignored by the capital ruling class. Meeting as members of the Police Executive Research Forum, the attendees underlined the disheartening fact that “there seems to be little or no appetite for gun control legislation in the U.S. Congress or the Obama administration.”

In their frustration, the chiefs deserve credit for trying to come up with some local and state solutions — for example, requiring owners to immediately document lost or stolen guns as a deterrent to the current dodge of selling them as “lost” in the underground market.

The chiefs were collectively enlightened, discovering that in most states gun dealers are monitored not by state or local police but by federal firearm inspectors. They have a force of but 600 covering 115,000 gun dealers — who may be visited no more than once a year. Polls regularly show that the public, including most gun hobbyists, wants more realistic gun controls. But don’t tell that to the timorous politicians of Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/opinion/18mon4.html?ref=global

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/g/gun_control/index.html

Suvorov
01-18-2010, 11:11 AM
Yeah, because a criminal is so much more likely to succeed in a crime with an AR with a flash suppressor than with one without a flash suppressor.

What a load of crap.

Whatever it takes to fulfill the statist agenda.

cortayack
01-18-2010, 11:25 AM
Polls regularly show that the public, including most gun hobbyists, wants more realistic gun controls.


Who does these polls and where are these gun hobbyists............lol

Trench Broom
01-18-2010, 11:35 AM
"....collectively enlightened" - gotta love that phrase.

tiki
01-18-2010, 11:35 AM
Gun ControlA survey of more than 130 local police chiefs and officials found 37 percent reporting an increase in assault weapons in street crime.

Ok, so what are the other 63% reporting? No change? A decrease?
It amazes me that someone can write something like this and be proud of it.

wkd4496
01-18-2010, 11:35 AM
The New York Times?! Go to your room!!

Hoop
01-18-2010, 11:39 AM
Polls regularly show that the public, including most gun hobbyists, wants more realistic gun controls.


Who does these polls and where are these gun hobbyists............lol

It depends what they ask, and how they ask it.

Just search youtube for Penn & Teller doing one on the subject of polls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4

Probably has lots of bad words.

Window_Seat
01-18-2010, 11:39 AM
The New York Times?! Go to your room!!

This is what the NYTs does when they have nothing to print in their editorial section.

Erik.

tiki
01-18-2010, 11:44 AM
duped myself. :)

JDoe
01-18-2010, 12:43 PM
Originally Posted by Some Idiot Reporter
Gun ControlA survey of more than 130 local police chiefs and officials found 37 percent reporting an increase in assault weapons in street crime.

One has to remember that their definition of an AW would also include a pump action .410 with that shoulder thing that goes up!


Unfortunately I am being serious.

Milsurp Collector
01-18-2010, 1:03 PM
Polls regularly show that the public, including most gun hobbyists, wants more realistic gun controls.


Who does these polls and where are these gun hobbyists............lol

Should be "a poll" instead of "polls" http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/16/opinion/la-ed-guns16-2009dec16


When asked whether they supported or opposed a "proposal requiring all gun sellers at gun shows to conduct criminal background checks of the people buying guns," 69% of the NRA members and 85% of the nonmembers were in favor. This goes to the so-called gun-show loophole, which allows used-gun merchants to sell firearms without doing the background checks that are required when selling new guns. Attempts in Congress to close this loophole have died after meeting strong opposition from the NRA.

Gun owners also were asked whether they agreed or disagreed with this statement: "The federal government should not restrict the police's ability to access, use and share data that helps them enforce federal, state and local gun laws." This goes to the Tiahrt Amendments, provisions attached to federal spending bills that interfere with the ability of police agencies to use federal gun-trace data. The NRA is a big supporter of these amendments, but it's out of touch with its members; 69% of those polled agreed there should be no federal restrictions on trace data, as did 74% of gun owners as a whole.

tonelar
01-18-2010, 3:26 PM
"NY TIMES"
is all I had to read

Whiskey84
01-18-2010, 4:57 PM
"NY TIMES"
is all I had to read

This.

Al Norris
01-18-2010, 6:36 PM
NRA Members For Reasonable Gun Restrictions
» by Paul Helmke on December 11th, 2009 Permalink (http://blog.bradycampaign.org/?p=1611)

Republican pollster Frank Luntz conducted a poll released yesterday by the Mayors Against Illegal Guns which helps confirm surveys of National Rifle Association members conducted as far back as 1989.

The Luntz survey shows – again – that gun owners and even members of the NRA strongly support many specific gun violence prevention laws.
The above was the original press release. Please note who commissioned the poll and is issuing the press release.

Before you slap your head and go "DOH!", google the pollster himself, Frank Luntz and his polling company, The Word Doctors.

Here, I'll save you some trouble by listing the motto of this company: It's not what you say, it's what people hear.

Now let's look at the numbers. Let's say, for the sake of the argument, that truly random phone calls were placed.

The logical first question that would be asked: Are you a gun owner? The poll actually does this at question #3. If the answer is no, the call is terminated.

Question #4 asks if you are an NRA member. However the game was rigged. The call was to be terminated once the non-NRA sampling pool exceeded 400! No such instructions were given if the NRA pool exceeded that number.

832 people were eventually sampled. Within that sample are grouped 401 NRA members. That breaks down to 48% of the responses were by supposed NRA members. The NRA had something to say about this type of rigged polling, here (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5252).

This suggests that the poll was meant to show a preponderance of (supposed) NRA members. In case you missed it, this is all out of proportion to the population mix.

There is a bit of good news about this. An anomaly occurs with question 7 which asks: In general, do you feel that the laws covering the sale of guns should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?

48% (NRA) and 53% (non-NRA) responded to keep the laws as they are, while 35% (NRA) and 18% (non-NRA) responded the laws should be less strict. That is, 93% of the NRA respondents and 71% of the non-NRA respondents feels the current laws are just fine, if not a bit too strict now. (Please note, the poll does not differentiate between Federal, State or Local laws - just laws)

This is nowhere reported in any of the news blips I read between Dec. 11 and Jan 1. Of course, why should they report this? It doesn't conform to the thrust of the poll.

In conducting this poll, Word Doctors lives up to its name and motto.