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vantec08
01-15-2010, 3:48 PM
any you guyz have the PC section concerning high cap. mags obtained prior to jan 2000? I find everything but

djleisure
01-15-2010, 3:56 PM
Here ya go http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=124709

For future reference - I just did an advanced search, "titles only" for capacity and that was the first thing that came up.

GrizzlyGuy
01-15-2010, 4:00 PM
See this section of the FAQ: Magazine Questions (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/FAQ#Magazine_Questions)

The law they interpret/explain is 12020(a)(2) (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12020.html)

wildhawker
01-15-2010, 4:06 PM
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/What_about_MAGAZINES%3F
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/FAQ#Magazine_Questions

ETA: GG beat me to the punch :thumbsup:

MasterYong
01-15-2010, 4:08 PM
Is it just me or has the number of threads similar to this one increased exponentially in the last month?

DedEye
01-15-2010, 4:19 PM
God is testing me. (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Large-capacity_magazine_restrictions)

mej16489
01-15-2010, 4:35 PM
God is testing me. (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Large-capacity_magazine_restrictions)

Everytime you post a wiki link, God saves a kitten!!
:party:

boxbro
01-15-2010, 4:40 PM
Is it just me or has the number of threads similar to this one increased exponentially in the last month?

It's not just you.

vantec08
01-15-2010, 5:08 PM
so simple possession is NOT illegal regardless of when obtained? I keep reading 12020 as possession for SALE.

DedEye
01-15-2010, 5:09 PM
thx gang

No worries.

Remember, many of the questions or references you may need or want are on the CGF Wiki (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Main_Page).

RideIcon
01-15-2010, 7:16 PM
God is testing me. (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Large-capacity_magazine_restrictions)

He's testing all of us I think... :mad:

any you guyz have the PC section concerning high cap. mags obtained prior to jan 2000? I find everything but

It just say's the ways in which it is illegal to come into possession of one after that date, pretty much...

But possession in itself IS NOT A CRIME



CAL. PEN. CODE 12020 : California Code - Section 12020

(a)Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:


(2)Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.

(b)Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(16)Any instrument, ammunition, weapon, or device listed in subdivision (a) that is not a firearm that is found and possessed by a person who meets all of the following:

(A)The person is not prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition pursuant to Section 12021 or 12021.1 or paragraph (1) of subdivision (b) of Section 12316 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code.

(B)The person possessed the instrument, ammunition, weapon, or device no longer than was necessary to deliver or transport the same to a law enforcement agency for that agency's disposition according to law.

(C)If the person is transporting the listed item, he or she is transporting the listed item to a law enforcement agency for disposition according to law.

(19)The sale of, giving of, lending of, importation into this state of, or purchase of, any large-capacity magazine to or by any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law, for use by agency employees in the discharge of their official duties whether on or off duty, and where the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.

(20)The sale to, lending to, transfer to, purchase by, receipt of, or importation into this state of, a large-capacity magazine by a sworn peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of his or her duties.

(21)The sale or purchase of any large-capacity magazine to or by a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071.

(22)The loan of a lawfully possessed large-capacity magazine between two individuals if all of the following conditions are met:

(A)The person being loaned the large-capacity magazine is not prohibited by Section 12021, 12021.1, or 12101 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code from possessing firearms or ammunition.

(B)The loan of the large-capacity magazine occurs at a place or location where the possession of the large-capacity magazine is not otherwise prohibited and the person who lends the large-capacity magazine remains in the accessible vicinity of the person to whom the large-capacity magazine is loaned.

(23)The importation of a large-capacity magazine by a person who lawfully possessed the large-capacity magazine in the state prior to January 1, 2000, lawfully took it out of the state, and is returning to the state with the large-capacity magazine previously lawfully possessed in the state.

(24)The lending or giving of any large-capacity magazine to a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071, or to a gunsmith, for the purposes of maintenance, repair, or modification of that large-capacity magazine.

(25)The return to its owner of any large-capacity magazine by a person specified in paragraph (24).

(26)The importation into this state of, or sale of, any large-capacity magazine by a person who has been issued a permit to engage in those activities pursuant to Section 12079, when those activities are in accordance with the terms and conditions of that permit.

(27)The sale of, giving of, lending of, importation into this state of, or purchase of, any large-capacity magazine, to or by entities that operate armored vehicle businesses pursuant to the laws of this state.

(28)The lending of large-capacity magazines by the entities specified in paragraph (27) to their authorized employees, while in the course and scope of their employment for purposes that pertain to the entity's armored vehicle business.

(29)The return of those large-capacity magazines to those entities specified in paragraph (27) by those employees specified in paragraph (28).

(30)(A)The manufacture of a large-capacity magazine for any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law, for use by agency employees in the discharge of their official duties whether on or off duty, and where the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.

(B)The manufacture of a large-capacity magazine for use by a sworn peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of his or her duties.

(C)The manufacture of a large-capacity magazine for export or for sale to government agencies or the military pursuant to applicable federal regulations.

(31)The loan of a large-capacity magazine for use solely as a prop for a motion picture, television, or video production.

(32)The purchase of a large-capacity magazine by the holder of a special weapons permit issued pursuant to Section 12095, 12230, 12250, 12286, or 12305, for any of the following purposes:

(A)For use solely as a prop for a motion picture, television, or video production.

(B)For export pursuant to federal regulations.

(C)For resale to law enforcement agencies, government agencies, or the military, pursuant to applicable federal regulations.

phish
01-15-2010, 7:18 PM
Everytime you post a wiki link, God saves a kitten!!
:party:

every time a thread like this gets created, God kills 10 kittens

Fate
01-15-2010, 7:51 PM
Everytime you post a wiki link, God saves a kitten!!
:party:
But then Satan's worshippers also kill one, so it all balances out at the end of the day ;)

Fate
01-15-2010, 7:52 PM
Remember, many of the questions or references you may need or want are on the CGF Wiki (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Main_Page).
Is there any ammo at my local WalMart?

Nookieaki
01-15-2010, 9:04 PM
Dedeye's link = winner.

Lone_Gunman
01-15-2010, 9:29 PM
so simple possession is NOT illegal regardless of when obtained? I keep reading 12020 as possession for SALE.

Bingo. We have a winner. Possession of hi-cap mags is not regulated. If Questioned about them keep your mouth shut. Make them prove you don't have them legally. I wish them luck in proving a negative.

DedEye
01-15-2010, 10:52 PM
Is there any ammo at my local WalMart?

:banghead:

New section of the FAQ (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/FAQ):

"Is there any ammo at my local WalMart?"

No, now stop asking me!

:p

Lone_Gunman
01-15-2010, 11:14 PM
Today I don't hate you either.

You are currently in the lead for my favorite person of the day.

Sweet. I'm going out on a high note. Thank you and goodnight.

http://www.waltsense.com/storage/articles/20090730_george-costanza.jpg

DedEye
01-15-2010, 11:15 PM
Sweet. I'm going out on a high note. Thank you and goodnight.

http://www.waltsense.com/storage/articles/20090730_george-costanza.jpg

Sorry Charlie, but by "today" I meant Saturday the 16th.

You have another 23.75 hours to go before you're officially declared the winner.

Let's see if you can hang on.

Lone_Gunman
01-15-2010, 11:54 PM
Ok. I found a version of this song that does not say the "F" word so let's try this again.

Dedeye-
This song is for you.

tldAmZmBbOg

:D

DedEye
01-15-2010, 11:56 PM
Ok. I found a version of this song that does not say the "F" word so let's try this again.

Dedeye-
This song is for you.

tldAmZmBbOg

:D

You have just lost the lead in my "person of the day" awards.

The flamingo from that video is currently my favorite person of the day.