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himurax13
01-15-2010, 10:20 AM
If this pistol ammo ban takes place next year will I be able to purchase pistol ammo online and or out of state with a COE and a Curious and Relics license? Will a friend from out of state be able to ship ammo to me?

froman118
01-15-2010, 12:40 PM
SEC. 7. Section 12318 is added to the Penal Code, to read: 12318. (a) Commencing February 1, 2011, the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity from the purchaser or other transferee. A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

There's no mention of C&R and COE in the law. So pretty much receiving handgun ammo in the mail = misdemeanor as of Feb 1, 2011.

ke6guj
01-15-2010, 12:45 PM
There's no mention of C&R and COE in the law. So pretty much receiving handgun ammo in the mail = misdemeanor as of Feb 1, 2011.there most certainly is mention of C&R+COE in the new law.


SEC. 7. Section 12318 is added to the Penal Code, to read:
12318. (a) Commencing February 1, 2011, the delivery or transfer
of ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face
transaction with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
evidence of identity from the purchaser or other transferee. A
violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

(c) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to or affect the deliveries,
transfers, or sales of, handgun ammunition to any of the following:

(6) Persons licensed as collectors of firearms pursuant to Chapter
44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States
Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto whose licensed
premises are within this state who has a current certificate of
eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice
pursuant to Section 12071.

kdm
01-15-2010, 12:51 PM
Yes...you will be able to buy ammo online with a C&R/COE, no problem there; however, the trick is getting your vendor to understand that's OK.

cineski
01-15-2010, 12:52 PM
What about going out of state, buying, and bringing back in? Still kosher?

ke6guj
01-15-2010, 12:53 PM
What about going out of state, buying, and bringing back in? Still kosher?

no law against that currently.

Exposed
01-15-2010, 12:55 PM
Yes sir. Buying out of state and bringing back is still kosher.

froman118
01-15-2010, 12:58 PM
Thank you for the correction, don't think I ever saw that before. Forgot to search through the text for "collector". kdm is right, we'll have to see if vendors will take the C&R+COE.

Does this section allow FFL 06's to receive shipments?

(3) Importers and manufacturers of handgun ammunition or firearms
licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing
with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the
regulations issued pursuant thereto.

ke6guj
01-15-2010, 1:01 PM
Does this section allow FFL 06's to receive shipments?yes it does.

PM9 Girl
01-15-2010, 2:30 PM
Wait - they are banning ammo purchasing online in California? Doesn't the 2nd amendment protect that? I assume this is just the first step? What the hell??

rgs1975
01-15-2010, 2:32 PM
Looks like I'll be bringing the hand cart to Reno.

ponderosa
01-15-2010, 3:04 PM
I'm glad I'm ~90min from Cabela's Reno...

juicemansam
01-15-2010, 3:06 PM
Wait - they are banning ammo purchasing online in California? Doesn't the 2nd amendment protect that? I assume this is just the first step? What the hell??

i would see if commerce laws could come into play here.

for2nato
01-15-2010, 3:13 PM
i believe the commerce law is the angle that cgn is going to pursue the lawsuit on this one. but dont be totally upset to realize that because of this law. alot of vendors will refuse to sell to cal without an 01, 06, 07 ffl license. its no different than the current number of dealers that wont do business with california for guns. and there are alot of them.

ke6guj
01-15-2010, 3:16 PM
i would see if commerce laws could come into play here.CGF is planning on doing exacty that. There are federal laws that apply in this area.

himurax13
01-15-2010, 5:40 PM
Wait - they are banning ammo purchasing online in California? Doesn't the 2nd amendment protect that? I assume this is just the first step? What the hell??

Well it seems to me that California Legislators believe that the 2nd ammendment is just a suggestion and nothing more.:mad:

GunNutz
01-15-2010, 5:54 PM
Well it seems to me that California Legislators believe that the 2nd ammendment is just a suggestion and nothing more.:mad:
They don't even take the 1st one seriously. Hence the need for the second one.

ElvenSoul
01-15-2010, 6:19 PM
Yes...you will be able to buy ammo online with a C&R/COE, no problem there; however, the trick is getting your vendor to understand that's OK.

Understadning that is the tricky part...so many think that it has gone into affect now. They wont sell to CA.

Cokebottle
01-15-2010, 6:54 PM
Understadning that is the tricky part...so many think that it has gone into affect now. They wont sell to CA.
CTD won't even sell "evil features" to California... pistol grips, VFG, etc....

Shotgun Dave
01-15-2010, 6:56 PM
Sigh...

ElvenSoul
01-15-2010, 6:56 PM
Someone post a link to the petition in here.

BHP FAN
01-15-2010, 7:02 PM
What the hell,indeed.We've got to repeal ab962!

vta
01-15-2010, 7:30 PM
will reloading components be legal to ship from out of state under ab962?

M. D. Van Norman
01-15-2010, 7:45 PM
Doesnʼt the 2nd amendment protect that?

I like your choice in handguns, but the powers that be have been doing their best to ignore and subvert the Bill of Rights since A.D. 1791. When McDonald is decided later this year at the Supreme Court, that may start to change, but we still have a long road ahead of us.

barrykay
01-15-2010, 9:18 PM
no law against that currently.

Not for long. :mad:

JTROKS
01-16-2010, 7:45 AM
I don't see any mention about reloading components being ban, unless I missed it.

Are there exemptions applied towards sworn peace officers with AB962?