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SpringfieldXDBabe
01-14-2010, 11:27 PM
:confused:I need some help clarifying the new CA Ammo laws, because I've read different info on different sites & the dates that they go into effect.

In particular, the laws of ordering ammo online---I've read that it is it only prohibited in certain counties in CA, and others that say it restricts all of CA?

Is it July, 2010? or Feb 1st 2011?

ORDERING AMMO ONLINE
"Beginning February 1, 2011, the delivery or transfer of handgun ammunition must occur in a face-to-face transaction, with the recipient providing bona fide evidence of his or her identity and age, subject to specified exceptions. Non-face-to-face transfers, such as internet transactions and mail order deliveries are prohibited. A violation is a misdemeanor. ( 12318.) No more mail order ammo."
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NEW GUN LAW INTO EFFECT
JULY 1st, 2010 Bill?------------------------------------

AB 962, as introduced, De Leon. Ammunition.
Existing law requires the Department of Justice to maintain
records pertaining to firearms transactions.
This bill would require the department to maintain additional
information relating to ammunition transfers and licensed handgun
ammunition vendors, as specified.
Existing law generally regulates the sale of ammunition.
This bill would establish a program administered by the Department
of Justice for licensing handgun ammunition vendors, as specified.
The bill would establish a database maintained by the department
to serve as a registry of handgun ammunition vendors.
This bill would require that commencing July 1, 2010, unless
specifically excluded, no person shall sell or transfer more than 50
rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is
registered as a handgun ammunition vendor, as defined. The bill would
also require these vendors to obtain a background clearance for
those employees who would handle ammunition in the course and scope
of their employment. The bill would require the Department of Justice
to maintain a registry of registered handgun ammunition vendors, as
specified. Violation of these provisions, as specified, would be a
misdemeanor.
By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated
local program.
The bill would also provide that no retail seller of ammunition
shall sell, offer for sale, or display for sale, any handgun
ammunition in a manner that allows that ammunition to be accessible
to a purchaser without the assistance of the retailer or employee
thereof.
The bill would further provide that handgun ammunition may only be
purchased in a face-to-face transaction and only if certain
conditions exist.
Existing law generally regulates what information is required to
be obtained in connection with the transfer of ammunition.
This bill would, subject to exceptions, commencing July 1, 2010,
require certain ammunition vendors to obtain a thumbprint and other
information from ammunition purchasers, and would require submission
of that information to the Department of Justice, as specified. A
violation of these provisions would be a misdemeanor.
This bill would provide that a person enjoined from engaging in
activity associated with a criminal street gang, as specified, would
be prohibited from having under his or her possession, custody, or
control, any ammunition. Violation of these provisions would be a
misdemeanor.
The bill would prohibit supplying or delivering, as specified,
handgun ammunition to prohibited persons, as described, by persons or
others who know or by using reasonable care should know that the
recipient is a person prohibited from possessing ammunition.
Violation of these provisions is a misdemeanor with specified
penalties.

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kf6tac
01-14-2010, 11:35 PM
One of the drafts of the bill had July 1, 2010 as the effective date. That was amended along the way and the version that passed--the one that matters--has February 1, 2011.

hoffmang
01-14-2010, 11:37 PM
Some parts of AB-962 went effective 1/1/2010. Those were primarily about criminal prohibitions on providing handgun ammunition to prohibited people and having to keep ammunition behind the counter at stores.

The log book and ban on internet/mail order ammunition doesn't take effect until February 2011.

-Gene

Purple K
01-14-2010, 11:40 PM
Some individual Cities and Counties in California already had bans in place prior to AB962 passing. Internet sales of ammo in those locations is already banned and has been for a while. The Statewide ban on Internet ammo sales goes into effect in Feb. 2011. Some parts of AB962 have already gone into effect; ammo kept away from customers (ie. behind the counter).

Purple K
01-14-2010, 11:41 PM
Dang! I gotta type faster

DedEye
01-14-2010, 11:44 PM
Dang! I gotta type faster

Don't type faster, type smarter. (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Main_Page)

The CGF wiki does not currently have a page dedicated to online/mail order ammo sales, AB962, or the different restrictions from county to county.

You could be the person to add that page.

hoffmang
01-14-2010, 11:44 PM
Note that Sacramento's log book requirement is not an internet/mailorder ban though.

-Gene

CaliforniaLiberal
01-15-2010, 1:54 AM
Although lots of mail order ammo sellers treat it like a ban and refuse to sell/deliver to anywhere ammo registration is in effect.

MikeinnLA
01-15-2010, 2:05 AM
All I can say is that I am buying SO much ammo before February, 2011.

Mike

matrix056
01-15-2010, 2:59 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but after 2/2011 we can order ammo on-line and have it shipped to a local FFL and pick it up there. Wonder what fees the FFL will attach????

ap3572001
01-15-2010, 9:41 AM
We can also shop in Reno????

wildhawker
01-15-2010, 9:48 AM
We can also shop in Reno????

Yes, but consider that the law created by AB962 is very likely to fall prior to the mail-order provisions going into effect 2/1/11 via challenge in Federal court.

ap3572001
01-15-2010, 10:46 AM
Yes, but consider that the law created by AB962 is very likely to fall prior to the mail-order provisions going into effect 2/1/11 via challenge in Federal court.

I don't understand....?

wildhawker
01-15-2010, 11:18 AM
See Rowe v. NH Motor Transport (http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Rowe_v._NH_Motor_Transport). Search here for FAAAA.

ke6guj
01-15-2010, 11:30 AM
I don't understand....?

What he is saying is that there are federal issues with the mail-order ban portion of AB962 that may prevent it from going into effect. CGF has mentioned filling suit to block it.

edit: too slow, should have refreshed before posting :D

mtsul
01-15-2010, 11:46 AM
I don't understand....?

me either, and just for my self we can and WILL be able to buy rifle ammo online even after 1, 2011?

Purple K
01-15-2010, 11:48 AM
Don't type faster, type smarter. (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Main_Page)

The CGF wiki does not currently have a page dedicated to online/mail order ammo sales, AB962, or the different restrictions from county to county.

You could be the person to add that page.

That sounds like a dare.... LOL!

wildhawker
01-15-2010, 11:50 AM
mtsul, very likely yes. Remember to support CGF when you can for issues just like this one.

obeygiant
01-15-2010, 11:52 AM
That sounds like a dare.... LOL!

So...are you up to the challenge? ;)

mtsul
01-15-2010, 11:54 AM
So...are you up to the challenge? ;)

I say go for it:p


mtsul, very likely yes. Remember to support CGF when you can for issues just like this one.

Cool thanks Wildhawker

Purple K
01-15-2010, 11:59 AM
So...are you up to the challenge? ;)

As if I don't already have enough on my plate (pulling bigger plate out of cabinet). O.K. I'll give it a try.

Purple K = Gluten for punishment

DedEye
01-15-2010, 1:51 PM
As if I don't already have enough on my plate (pulling bigger plate out of cabinet). O.K. I'll give it a try.

Purple K = Gluten for punishment

PM me your email address and I'll add you to a Google Wave we have going on about the FAQ.

raycm2
01-15-2010, 7:26 PM
I was told by a store owner today that the law applies to anything that can produce ammunition, including cases, bullets, powder and primer. :eek:
Is that true and, if so, doesn't that mean that after 1/1/2011 we won't be able to mail/online order reloading supplies?

Ray

calnurse
01-15-2010, 8:52 PM
I just read the AB 962 post by attorney Michel on Gun News Daily. Wow! Too much information to bear :banghead: De Leon must not had a life when writing a bill like this. Hopefully it will not take effect!

wildhawker
01-15-2010, 11:45 PM
I was told by a store owner today that the law applies to anything that can produce ammunition, including cases, bullets, powder and primer. :eek:
Is that true and, if so, doesn't that mean that after 1/1/2011 we won't be able to mail/online order reloading supplies?

Ray

Incorrect, AB962 only goes to "handgun" ammunition, not components.

gotgunz
01-16-2010, 12:36 AM
Note that Sacramento's log book requirement is not an internet/mailorder ban though.

-Gene

And they had an exemption for CCW holders.

I don't believe the new law has such exemption (but would love to be told it does and I am wrong :D)

rogelio
02-09-2010, 3:09 PM
I've heard all kinds off horror stories resulting from the passage of the 'taxation without representation' bill AB962. Of these my top concerns would be:

Purchasing ammo out of state and bringing it back into California for my personal use being a Felony

Reloading for my own use being a Felony

Does anyone have some reliable insight into these?

Rogelio

wildhawker
02-09-2010, 3:13 PM
See inline comments.

I've heard all kinds off horror stories resulting from the passage of the 'taxation without representation' bill AB962. Of these my top concerns would be:

Purchasing ammo out of state and bringing it back into California for my personal use being a Felony FALSE

Reloading for my own use being a Felony FALSE

Does anyone have some reliable insight into these?

Rogelio

AB962 is preempted by Federal law and will not stand.