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bigchelis
01-13-2010, 4:56 PM
I only shoot G35 w/9mm barrel and a full size 5in Kimber 45acp and my accuracy at 15 yards is the same more or less. I just expect one hole groupings at 15yards thats it.

I really like the G34 OD and know it will be easy to shoot.


The Kimber 1911 5in Target 9mm model is twice as nice and twice the price, but is it 50% more accurate.

Have you shoot both and if so please explain your experience?


Thanks,
bigC

ap3572001
01-13-2010, 5:15 PM
I own two G34's. I owned several 1911's in 9mm.

bigchelis
01-13-2010, 5:24 PM
I own two G34's. I owned several 1911's in 9mm.




I am torn between a G34 that I know I already can shoot pretty good with and something I never had, but wanted.

My thinking is if a 1911 5in 45acp can shoot really good, imagine how much better I would do if it had less recoil and muzzle flip...thus, the 9mm 1911.

bigC

sammy
01-13-2010, 5:27 PM
They will both shoot much better than the user. I have a G34 and love it. The Kimber will probably shoot better for most folks only because the trigger is much better out of the box. I would choose the Glock over the Kimber only because the Kimbers chambered in 9mm have reliablity problems. I am sure Black Majik will chime in here. Sammy

Stormfeather
01-13-2010, 7:42 PM
The guns only shoot as good as the person pulling the trigger! I own both, and they both shoot much better than I can get them to!

Black Majik
01-13-2010, 7:44 PM
Equal.

I shoot both a G34 and a Kimber Stainless Target II 9mm. Both of them whoop me on the range, laser accurate.

bigchelis
01-13-2010, 8:08 PM
They both shoot about as accurate as can be and will outshoot the shooter.:D


Considering they both have the potential to be just as accurate I have to stick with my orignial plan and get a G34 OD Green, if I can find one. I did see 2 1911 9mm today and just had to know what all the hype was about.


Thanks,
bigC

turbochris
01-13-2010, 8:14 PM
a gun is only as good as the shooter

Voo
01-13-2010, 8:40 PM
I have a couple of 9mm 1911's as well as the G34 right now... I shoot the G34 heavily in competition but jsut recently switched to the single stack platform for an upcoming match..

That said, I find them both to be ridiculously accurate. Ammo, sights, and trigger start to come into play when you start trying to hit things at 100 yards and more.

I'll also add that the traditional rifled barrels of 1911's tends to be more versatile in shooting various types of ammo accurately. I've shot several brands, weights, and profiles of bullets and the 1911 always seems to group them as well if not better than the Glock. With certain brands and weights, my glocks would tumble bullets that were visible at 7 yards..

bigchelis
01-13-2010, 8:42 PM
I have shoot a number of Kimber 1911's and when I shoot a TRS les Baer I was not a better shooter and my groupings were identical at best. I guess I am looking for the easy way out..A gun that will make me a better shooter.:D

The 1911 9mm and HK P7M8 I have heard are accurate. While most will agree the P7M8 is superb in accuracy, I have not heard the same of the G34. Eventhough it is used as a competition gun I don't recall reading 1in groups all day from a rest at 25yards like you do with a 1911.

Does anyone have a link to where they tested the accuracy potential of a G34?

Thanks,
bigC

BamBam-31
01-13-2010, 8:42 PM
I'll also add that the traditional rifled barrels of 1911's tends to be more versatile in shooting various types of ammo accurately. I've shot several brands, weights, and profiles of bullets and the 1911 always seems to group them as well if not better than the Glock. With certain brands and weights, my glocks would tumble bullets that were visible at 7 yards..

That's cuz you're below Power Factor.

Oops, did I just hit the "Post Reply" button? :p

Black Majik
01-13-2010, 8:50 PM
That's cuz you're below Power Factor.


:rofl:



You have to give him credit. At least it penetrated the paper.

J-cat
01-13-2010, 8:58 PM
While most will agree the P7M8 is superb in accuracy, I have not heard the same of the G34.

Most don't shoot their P7's off the bench for groups.

Buddhabelly
01-13-2010, 9:17 PM
They both shoot about as accurate as can be and will outshoot the shooter.:D


Considering they both have the potential to be just as accurate I have to stick with my orignial plan and get a G34 OD Green, if I can find one. I did see 2 1911 9mm today and just had to know what all the hype was about.


Thanks,
bigC

Where did you see the 2 1911 9's? At gun stores in the South Bay? Were they for sale?

bigchelis
01-13-2010, 9:33 PM
Where did you see the 2 1911 9's? At gun stores in the South Bay? Were they for sale?

The Mountain View Bay Gun Vault had a Stainless Target Kimber in 9mm for $1130ish.

They had a used Colt Commander for $1050ish it was a 9mm too:eek:

JosephP
01-13-2010, 9:51 PM
If I have a money for Kimber I will get Glock G34 and do some upgrade job with it to make it perfect.
Glock parts are not that expensive and they are to install.
Some polishing and part replacement....
I think it will out shoot Kimber.
Just my opinion. :)

thegrayham
01-13-2010, 10:32 PM
I believe a single action triger is generally easier to shoot accurately, but both guns are just as accurate.

Grumpyoldretiredcop
01-13-2010, 10:35 PM
Unless someone happens to have the correct Ransom Rest inserts for both pistols, we'll never know. Even if the same shooter fires both pistols, the human factor can't be eliminated to reliably produce the results the OP is asking for (one hole groups at 15 yards). Combat accuracy at that range is a different story - either weapon will be more accurate than the operator.

ap3572001
01-14-2010, 8:58 AM
I am torn between a G34 that I know I already can shoot pretty good with and something I never had, but wanted.

My thinking is if a 1911 5in 45acp can shoot really good, imagine how much better I would do if it had less recoil and muzzle flip...thus, the 9mm 1911.

bigC

Ok. The only 1911 in 9mm I would own again is a good custom pistol with match barrl /bushing etc. I was NOT happy with any std 1911's in 9mm. Glock 34 with henie sights and in all stock configuration is a match for ANY handgun at any price. I have outshot MANY people who were using high dollar custom 1911's using my stock Glock 34's and full power 147 JHP.

Jicko
01-14-2010, 9:04 AM
AND a G34OD is only $480!!!! No brainer....

PS. is there are reason why you don't want to just stick with your G35/9mm!? (for competition classifications??)

Voo
01-14-2010, 9:07 AM
That's cuz you're below Power Factor.

Oops, did I just hit the "Post Reply" button? :p

Powder is expensive these days! Im trying to conserve here!! :cool:

BamBam-31
01-14-2010, 9:50 AM
Powder is expensive these days! Im trying to conserve here!! :cool:

Reduce, Re-use, Recycle! (Even excuses. ;) :D)

bigchelis
01-14-2010, 10:21 AM
AND a G34OD is only $480!!!! No brainer....

PS. is there are reason why you don't want to just stick with your G35/9mm!? (for competition classifications??)


The G35 w/9mm barrel is Black and all my buddies have Black. Nothing against black (gotta be PC here;))

I just never owned a OD Glock before. Must have OD Glock. Need OD Glock.

From all the great reviews it seems the G34 is the ticket. I been looking for G34's and they all sell for $650ish and none are OD:(


bigC

BamBam-31
01-14-2010, 10:31 AM
Big +1 for OD Glocks.

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs059.snc3/14653_182037144890_500889890_2976184_2001055_n.jpg

The G34 is capable of excellent accuracy (as in capable of hitting 100 yd. gongs with ease kinda accurate), much more than the commonly ascribed "combat accurate" label people like to give Glocks. If you already shoot a G35, the G34 should be a no-brainer for you. Do it. Then get the 9mm 1911 later. (C'mon, it's Calguns! Of course you're gonna get the ol' "Get both!" reply! :D)

hybridatsun350
01-14-2010, 10:55 AM
I would personally go for the Glock 34. I love my Glock 34, but, sadly, mine is just a plain old black one. I would love to get one in OD, but I see it more likely that I duracoat this one first.

for2nato
01-14-2010, 1:37 PM
the gun is only as accurate as you are. and heres your video link to prove it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFd3kF6LHz4

bigchelis
01-14-2010, 4:30 PM
I finally shoot a 9mm 1911 today. It was the rental at the Santa Clara Reeds indoor Range.

The recoil is felt more with the Springfield 1911 9mm than a G35 w/9mm barrel.

The Springfield didn't have target sights like a Kimber and accuracy was not what I am used to. I did have a Kimber full size 5in 45acp to do side by side comparisons and the 45acp is still putting out tight one hole groups, similar to how the G35 w/9mm barel does for me.

The Springfields slide wouldn't go back on the last round and jammed 2 times out of 50 rounds.

After this I am 110% certain I will get the G34 OD. Now, who has one in stock is another challenge.


EDIT: I am not trying to knock down Springfield 1911's and I actually think they are great guns. While the Springfield can be accurate It just wasn't for me.

bigC

Jicko
01-14-2010, 6:51 PM
The G35 w/9mm barrel is Black and all my buddies have Black. Nothing against black (gotta be PC here;))

To color a glock... there is duracoat.... :D



I just never owned a OD Glock before. Must have OD Glock. Need OD Glock.

ok... ok... must have... must have...

I just DROS a G35OD... so... I understood how it feel....



From all the great reviews it seems the G34 is the ticket. I been looking for G34's and they all sell for $650ish and none are OD:(
bigC

Again, I just got a brand new G35... for $480....

step 1) join gssf, www.gssf.com

step 2) call/fax/email them and ask for your gssf purchase cert

step 3) call up ombguns, www.ombguns.com, they have OD in stock (they are a huge LE dealer, so they stock like everything...)

step 4) order from them and have it ship to your local FFL


PS. lastly, after you got your G34.... put a set of Warren Tactical Sights on it.... Sevigy version..

BamBam-31
01-14-2010, 6:56 PM
I finally shoot a 9mm 1911 today. It was the rental at the Santa Clara Reeds indoor Range.

The recoil is felt more with the Springfield 1911 9mm than a G35 w/9mm barrel.

The Springfield didn't have target sights like a Kimber and accuracy was not what I am used to. I did have a Kimber full size 5in 45acp to do side by side comparisons and the 45acp is still putting out tight one hole groups, similar to how the G35 w/9mm barel does for me.

The Springfields slide wouldn't go back on the last round and jammed 2 times out of 50 rounds.

After this I am 110% certain I will get the G34 OD. Now, who has one in stock is another challenge.


EDIT: I am not trying to knock down Springfield 1911's and I actually think they are great guns. While the Springfield can be accurate It just wasn't for me.

bigC

Or it could just be a used range gun w/ a lot of miles on it. Might not be a good indicator of 9mm 1911's as a whole. :shrug:

bigchelis
01-14-2010, 8:00 PM
Or it could just be a used range gun w/ a lot of miles on it. Might not be a good indicator of 9mm 1911's as a whole. :shrug:


My buddy who went with me was experiencing the same issues. Additonally; I rented a 4.25in Para LDA with identical looking sights as this Springfield 9mm 1911 and both of us were doing the typical 1 hole groupings at 7 and 10yards.


For internet sales the Dros is from as little as $100~200. So, at $480 plus $100 or $200 it adds up.

I think someone mentioned in San Jose area some people do the transfers for around $85 at their house. I may have to investigate this.

Thanks,
bigC

stuntdummy
01-15-2010, 9:04 AM
step 1) join gssf, www.gssf.com

step 2) call/fax/email them and ask for your gssf purchase cert


gssf comes up as a search page. I don't see a link to join anything. Am I missing something?

EDIT: OK Google found THIS (http://www.gssfonline.com/), I think it is the right place...

mds2004
01-15-2010, 9:20 AM
gssf comes up as a search page. I don't see a link to join anything. Am I missing something?

EDIT: OK Google found THIS (http://www.gssfonline.com/), I think it is the right place...

http://www.gssfonline.com/registration.cfm

mds2004
01-15-2010, 9:32 AM
Here are a list of dealers plus GSSF handgun prices:

You also do not have to buy from the one closest to you.

tuna quesadilla
01-15-2010, 10:36 AM
My buddy who went with me was experiencing the same issues. Additonally; I rented a 4.25in Para LDA with identical looking sights as this Springfield 9mm 1911 and both of us were doing the typical 1 hole groupings at 7 and 10yards.


For internet sales the Dros is from as little as $100~200. So, at $480 plus $100 or $200 it adds up.

I think someone mentioned in San Jose area some people do the transfers for around $85 at their house. I may have to investigate this.

Thanks,
bigC

W-O-W. You need to find a new FFL. The FFL I use (full pistol range with a small gun shop attached) charges $75 for transfers.

stuntdummy
01-15-2010, 12:17 PM
Here are a list of dealers plus GSSF handgun prices:

You also do not have to buy from the one closest to you.

Can anyone get these prices? It looks like you have to be a LEO.

mds2004
01-15-2010, 12:32 PM
Can anyone get these prices? It looks like you have to be a LEO.

These are blue label pricing. You have to be a LEO or a GSSF member ($35 first year, $25 every year after). So yup, you can get that pricing!

Plus it counts for CMP to get their Garands!

bigchelis
01-15-2010, 12:59 PM
Here in San Jose bay area FFL Fees are as little as $100 to as much as $200.


Does anyone know an FFL dealer who does it for less than $100 around here?

If not, than I only save $50~$75 bucks doing the GSSF process and will they send 10 round mags?

mds2004
01-15-2010, 1:09 PM
Here in San Jose bay area FFL Fees are as little as $100 to as much as $200.


Does anyone know an FFL dealer who does it for less than $100 around here?

If not, than I only save $50~$75 bucks doing the GSSF process and will they send 10 round mags?

I would probably start a new thread to get more people's attention. Look around and you should find someone. Mine does $25DROS + $25 fees, so $50OTD. You will find someone better than $100.

stuntdummy
01-15-2010, 1:25 PM
For internet sales the Dros is from as little as $100~200. So, at $480 plus $100 or $200 it adds up.


Don't forget you have to pay sales tax if you buy in CA.

Jicko
01-15-2010, 1:31 PM
Here in San Jose bay area FFL Fees are as little as $100 to as much as $200.

I think the list has a few North Cal dealer... that will honor this pricing... you can just go in, and there is no additional transfer fee...



Does anyone know an FFL dealer who does it for less than $100 around here?

If not, than I only save $50~$75 bucks doing the GSSF process and will they send 10 round mags?

FYI, LE guns comes with 3 magazines.... and yes, they will send 10 rounders...

Lastly, if you dunno... the LE G34/35 may comes with "regular" connector... rather than the "minus" connector.... you would have to get a "-" connector to get the 4.5lb trigger pull weight