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razorduc
01-13-2010, 3:38 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/are-guns-evil-or-is-it-our-trigger-happy-culture.html

Don't know if this is worth writing in to. Or if it's a piece that's trying to make gun owners seem like nuts.

Nevermore
01-13-2010, 3:57 PM
I'd probably point out that it's not so much the gun, as the ability to own and use a gun that's worth loving.

kertong
01-13-2010, 4:00 PM
I replied (sorry, i took the bait).

I wrote in:
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"I do not love the sword for its gleam, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory; I love only what they protect."
J.R.R. Tolkien

It's not that I love the gun itself, but I love the idea of having the freedom and peace of mind to protect myself and be as prepared as I could be if somebody were to threaten the well being of me, and my family/children. It's like a fire extinguisher, airbag, or seatbelt - in the event of something happening, it's better to have than not!
===

well, something like that. It promptly dissappeared and said it was awaiting moderator approval. We'll see how selective they are...

Dark Paladin
01-13-2010, 4:06 PM
At least she took the initiative and went to a range to at least try things out. Much to said for that than the 99% other columnists who write about things they have zero clue about.

yellowfin
01-13-2010, 4:24 PM
My posted response:

Many of my fondest childhood memories involve my grandfathers, great uncle, and my dad and the occasions with their guns, some of which are now mine. It's one of the few things you can pass down in your family for 100+ years that's just as good as the day it was made even through decades of use and like many heirlooms has a nostalgia to it that is imbued with the memory of the people who had it before . Many are true American art,with beautiful wood and shimmering blue steel which reflect craftsmanship, precision engineering, and a certain artistic spirituality. Many tell the story of American history in a unique tangible way no other artifact can, from the west of the 1890's, the first and second World Wars, the Roaring Twenties, the post WW2 American Renaissance, the Cold War, and today's modern era. I myself and my family have some of all of such periods. I fully intend to pass such legacy to my descendants, as it is their family birthright.

In times of joy or times of trouble, in times of plenty or times of need, our guns have kept our freezers full, kids well behaved so they can go to the range or the field with Dad or Grandpa, homes secure and on our person while traveling or in daily life, our weekends happy, and our spirits full of pride to be Americans.

I know of no other that can do the same.

Glock22Fan
01-13-2010, 4:30 PM
Mind you, any 28-year old who is "fooling around" with a real firearm, whether it is loaded or not, in a locker room, deserves to be labled mentally deficient. At least it shows serious disrespect of his weapon.

Maltese Falcon
01-13-2010, 4:33 PM
My response:

Ms. Banks --

I have for several decades been a firearm owner. One of the main aspects of my ownership is that my ability to protect and defend my loved ones and myself is truly my responsibility. I do not need to call or wait for anyone to come to my aid. Although I will call 911 in a life threatening situation, those precious minutes between the call and the arrival are crucial.

I have practiced to become proficient and can handle all my firearms safely. I know the law in use of force and proper transport.

Secondarily, it gives me great satisfaction to handle well a very powerful tool in a skillful manner, i.e., target shooting... and yes we do love our tools.

I personally do not hunt, but I would have no problem doing so.

I find it extremely distressing that so many people abdicate or surrender their Constitutional rights as Americans to other entities and take little initative to be prepared for come what may.

Gilbert Arenas is an idiot and is not indicative of the vast majority of law abiding firearm owners.

BananaTyrant
01-13-2010, 5:07 PM
My comment;

One of my earliest memories is of my family camping, and my parents showing me and my siblings how to use their handguns. Both my parents come from police families and grew up around guns, so they started teaching us early to be both responsible and safe with them. At the time we were too small to do anything but have our parents hold the gun steady for us and we pull the trigger, but it was still a lot of fun. Unfortunately a run in with the law a few years later made it so that we couldn't have firearms in the house anymore and I lost one of my favorite things to do while camping.

However now that I've moved out I'm slowly beginning to return to the hobby. I currently own a small caliber rifle that I have used to reacquaint myself with firearms and will be teaching my gf how to handle soon. I'm also in the process of buying a small handgun from a friend for both home defense and range trips. I feel safer just having a firearm in the house(even if small caliber) as I will then be able to defend myself when no one else is available to do it for me.

Remember;
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Aegis
01-13-2010, 5:19 PM
I am surprised the LA Times is still in business.

DJ Skillz
01-13-2010, 5:30 PM
I said:

"I like guns. I like the way they look. I like the shiny steel and the polished wood. I don't care if they're big or small. If they're for sale, hell I want 'em all. I like guns. I like guns. I like guns."



JK :D

kertong
01-13-2010, 6:58 PM
I said:

"I like guns. I like the way they look. I like the shiny steel and the polished wood. I don't care if they're big or small. If they're for sale, hell I want 'em all. I like guns. I like guns. I like guns."

:hurray::hurray::hurray::hurray::hurray::13:

Dirk Tungsten
01-13-2010, 7:08 PM
I said:

"I like guns. I like the way they look. I like the shiny steel and the polished wood. I don't care if they're big or small. If they're for sale, hell I want 'em all. I like guns. I like guns. I like guns."



JK :D

Ok, now post the link to the song....'cause it's awesome.

BananaTyrant
01-13-2010, 7:22 PM
She finally approved the comments. Also I just noticed, the name of the article is "Do you love your gun? Tell me why," but the URL reads "are-guns-evil-or-is-it-our-trigger-happy-culture." Interesting...

five.five-six
01-13-2010, 7:55 PM
I am surprised the LA Times is still in business.

:LOL, you have a point :D


here is my contribution to the artical

Thanks for taking the time to try shooting out. No, I don't love my guns, I love god, my family, my close friends, and on most occasions, my country. I would much rather talk about any of my loves, but you are asking about guns. First off, like taking out the garbage or smashing bugs with way to many legs, it's a guy thing.

My introduction to guns was not unlike a Native American boy's introduction to a bow and arrow, or a medieval boy's introduction to a wooden sword. I received a ruger 10/22 on my 14th Christmas. It was the central to many rugged afternoon with my father, who learned to shoot from his father. I still have that gun and, while it seldom see's use, it's cleaned and oiled every year so it can be handed to my son in the same pristine condition it was handed to me.

In a more practical sense, it gives my wife a sense of security that dialing 911 never could, knowing that I can protect our family from anyone that might threaten us.

Finally as an American, it gives me pride to exercise the god given rights enumerated in our constitution, to freely speak my mind, worship as I wish, to arm and protect myself and be free from the tyranny of government

Do I love guns? No, but I do love life and firearms are part of my life

Jamez
01-13-2010, 8:13 PM
I enjoyed this :-)

SKSer
01-13-2010, 9:30 PM
Brian Suites from KFI just talked about this article on air he said he is post #8
, I swear he is a Calgunner

five.five-six
01-13-2010, 9:36 PM
did anyone else read this incoherent dribble?

In the classic 1940 western film, "The Westerner," Gary Cooper, as an archetypal itinerant cowpoke, speaks a line that's always stuck with me: "When I was a boy I had a pet rattlesnake. I was very fond of that snake...but I never turned my back on it."

Sandy's column also reminds me of Joseph S. Boyd. You may not recall the name, but it was a local story that deserves to be disseminated nationwide. Boyd was the civilian range-master of the Santa Ana Police Department. In January, 1998, he was test-firing a confiscated MAC-11 machine pistol that had been confiscated in a gang sweep. The weapon jammed and, as Boyd attempted to free the mechanism, the gun began to discharge. A bullet whistled through Mr Boyd's skull, killing him instantly.

If Mr Boyd, a former Marine with decades of experience with firearms, hired by the SAPD to teach its officers marksmanship and gun safety, can be accidentally killed with a gun, then ANYONE can. Surely no one respected the destructive power of firearms more than Boyd, but he turned his back on the rattlesnake for just an instant, and it killed him.

The bottom line in the debate over gun-owner rights versus gun control is, in fact, one of MONEY. The gun lobby, and the NRA specifically, are institutions dedicated to one thing, and it's not gun-owners' rights -- it's making money. The officers of said organizations have grown fabulously wealthy by inflaming gun owners into perceiving every attempt at sensible gun-control as a threat to their ownership of firearms. The lobbyists know that if the "threat" goes away, so does their livelihood, so they foment a state of perpetual war, and position themselves as the only true, reliable and dedicated guardians of "liberty." We've seen it elsewhere: the anti-Communist witch-hunters during the "Red scares" of the late 1940's and '50's, and those crusaders against illegal immigrants who posture as though illegals suddenly began to fall from the sky, and only THEY know how to stop this rain of undesirables.

History repeats itself because human nature doesn't change; there'll always be some people who need to hate, and there'll always be those whose highest priority is profiting from someone else's misfortune and grief. On the other hand, guns have no emotions; as the gun lobby likes to point out, they're only as good or bad as the people who use them, and the gun lobby has proved again and again that THEY are the ultimate users -- not just of guns, but of the gun owners and their fellow citizens, themselves.



it forced me to write this

A.L. Hern

what a touching and well written Allegory

here i have one...

the 2006 pixar movie cars.. doc Hudson said you have to turn left to go right


your Allegory also reminds me of dale earnhardt jr. dale was a world class race car driver... but he turned right when he shoulda turned left and died

we should ban all cars

the end


I think my story makes more sense than yours

five.five-six
01-13-2010, 9:40 PM
Brian Suites from KFI just talked about this article on air he said he is post #8
, I swear he is a Calgunner

I like Brains comments, however, when writing publicly, it is important to aim you comments to people who think they are "middle of the road"

Sandy, I don't love my gun. I love my constitution and have taken an oath to support and defend it. I love my 2nd Amendment. I (and you) shouldn't trust a governemtn that disarms it's law abiding citizens. "It can't happen here?" you ask? "What's your guarantee? I have mine?" I answer.

fd15k
01-13-2010, 10:04 PM
I assume the author is a female. Well, maybe she should go make some guy happy. And LAPD has too much funding, giving a whole lieutenant for a shoot.

Sinixstar
01-13-2010, 10:32 PM
I am surprised the LA Times is still in business.

I didn't even know they were. Seriously - do people still buy newspapers?

hollabillz
01-13-2010, 10:34 PM
I replied (sorry, i took the bait).

I wrote in:
===
"I do not love the sword for its gleam, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory; I love only what they protect."
J.R.R. Tolkien

It's not that I love the gun itself, but I love the idea of having the freedom and peace of mind to protect myself and be as prepared as I could be if somebody were to threaten the well being of me, and my family/children. It's like a fire extinguisher, airbag, or seatbelt - in the event of something happening, it's better to have than not!
===

well, something like that. It promptly dissappeared and said it was awaiting moderator approval. We'll see how selective they are...

This was one of the first comments I saw. Very eloquent and true. I feel the same way! :cool:

fd15k
01-13-2010, 10:36 PM
I didn't even know they were. Seriously - do people still buy newspapers?

They can post much more dirt online. Why need to print newspapers ?

Nachoman
01-13-2010, 10:36 PM
I just wish some of the folks who posted comments on that article wouldn't capitalize every other word in some misguided attempt to emphasize their point. Don't people realize by now that the random capitalizations don't do anything helpful and they just make you look like a kook?

five.five-six
01-13-2010, 10:48 PM
^ That You Oshmily?? good to See YOU old buddy

pullnshoot25
01-13-2010, 10:56 PM
I love each and every one of my guns. It is like they are all a part of me.

bigcalidave
01-13-2010, 11:04 PM
I touch them in bad ways.... So what?
She seems confused, I really hope that the real article she says is coming saturday is a lot better.

ac427cpe
01-14-2010, 12:08 AM
I never post to these things... i guess this is what happens when I stay up too late:




Sandy,

In response to your use of the word “love”: it has nothing to do with a female perspective. You simply used the word because that is what your world view demanded. Before reading all of these responses, it was the easiest way you could define the relationship you perceived between a firearm and the person who owns it. This view isn't unique to you, nor to women in general, it is just common among people who primarily see firearms as an adjective, not a tool.

The situation with Gilbert Arenas showed a poor lack of judgment on his part, and is amplified due to his public position as a sports figure. While his antics were reckless and potentially dangerous, there are unfortunately plenty of people that do equally stupid things (many even end up on youtube). But here's the problem: people pay attention to and remember the negatives because that is what gets the most attention. Why do people slow down and gawk at a wreck on the highway? Someone will pay attention to the two cars involved, but miss all the details about the hundreds of other cars they passed to get to that point. Single case studies (Arenas) can't show you any sort of trend, pattern, or discernible similarity beyond the immediate.

The fact that you ask about “street cred” in an presumably serious manner is, frankly, quite insulting. People who “need” a gun to feel important or respected are not members of the “firearms culture” they are members of a “thug culture”. Odds are you will not find someone looking for “street cred” by perusing the LA Times local section. The major part of this issue is, again, in perception. People who are so quick to group anyone who owns a firearm into one category without exception is simply unwilling to make an educated, unbiased observation. Perhaps it's a cultural issue: you rarely see people open carry in California, the laws here see to that, though it is commonplace in other parts of the country. It could simply be an issue of “us and them”. Most people don't like the idea that someone who could once be considered as a “them” (firearm owner) can no longer be referred to as such once that single criteria is eliminated. It is easier to brand a group by a single category than it is to be tolerant or become educated on the matter.

I applaud your desire and motivation in becoming more educated on the matter. If more people were as proactive there would far be less misconception and misrepresentation. California still has a long way to go in its journey to learn tolerance, it all starts with people asking “why” and then listening to the answer.

CDFingers
01-14-2010, 4:55 AM
Here's a paraphrase of my reply:

Guns are tools to be used in the proper way for the proper job, like countering criminals who don't obey gun laws.

CDFingers

five.five-six
01-14-2010, 8:46 AM
funny, several of the responses were much better written than the original article

Maltese Falcon
01-14-2010, 11:23 AM
I "LOVE" this guy's closing remarks...

"Third, I believe that my treasured firearms are my only protection against the socialism being dictated by the Democrats and the liberals in office. I do not trust the Democrats and liberals not to enslave America and its people. I will never turn in, release or surrender my firearms, under any circumstances or under any duress.

I am an attorney in Pasadena and Palm Desert. I also have other background which I will not share with you.

Thank you for this opportunity to write to you.

Anthony D. Weber
Attorney at Law
Pasadena, CA
Palm Desert, CA


.

Nachoman
01-14-2010, 11:30 AM
^ That You Oshmily?? good to See YOU old buddy

Huh? No idea who that is but apparently we have the same pet peeve.

Maltese Falcon
01-14-2010, 12:36 PM
Sandy Banks Response to Comments....There might be hope yet!

Thanks for all the feedback. I especially appreciate the perspective about the role of guns in so many of your lives growing up. My father always carried one for protection; he had a barber shop in a tough part of town. But he made sure we understood how lethal it was. These young guys, handling them like toys, that's what I don't get. And why so many? But I realize from your comments that guns can be things of beauty, as well as utility, to some.. as much a part of a person's identity as, say, a vegetable garden might be to me. Bad analogy maybe, but I'm beginning to get it, I think.

Posted by: Sandy Banks | January 13, 2010 at 08:17 PM (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/are-guns-evil-or-is-it-our-trigger-happy-culture.html?cid=6a00d8341c630a53ef012876d35d03970 c#comment-6a00d8341c630a53ef012876d35d03970c)




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(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/are-guns-evil-or-is-it-our-trigger-happy-culture.html?cid=6a00d8341c630a53ef012876d35d03970 c#comment-6a00d8341c630a53ef012876d35d03970c)

JDoe
01-14-2010, 1:29 PM
Sandy Banks Response to Comments....There might be hope yet!

Yes, there might be some hope.



This is Sandy, trying to keep up with your comments. It's clear LOVE was the wrong word to use. I guess it's my female way of seeing things.

Now I get the idea of a gun as a tool -- a way of protecting your family, of bringing home food -- and an instrument of pleasure and sport, rather than violence or mayhem.

And it's clear to me that gun ownership cuts across politics, gender, race, age, geography. The one thing most of you seem to share is a respect and sense of responsibility for your weapons. Unlike Gilbert Arenas...

So what about the notion of "street cred"? Is that a motivator for anyone? You guys who say you carry a gun "because I can." What does that really mean?

Posted by: Sandy Banks | January 13, 2010 at 10:38 PM

RyanX
01-14-2010, 6:29 PM
There were quite a few really good responses. I decided to zazz it up a bit with
"I love my guns, not in the way of the ancient Greeks.. but in the same way that a robot loves a human, or a gorilla loves a kitty."
I think that quote was from futurama.

ac427cpe
01-15-2010, 11:06 PM
Think she'll have learned anything for today's column?

FastFinger
01-15-2010, 11:27 PM
The column has been published: "Having the good sense not to be a quick draw..." (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-banks16-2010jan16,0,3715873.column)

All in all - coming from a LA Times journalist, and meant for public consumption - it's about as good as we can expect.

I wish she would have taken her experience one step further, when the LAPD instructor told her the her center mass paper shot "would have killed the man" she should have considered that a dead bad guy means safe children. Also, would probably have been better to start with just circle targets for a few sessions- but it is what it was.

Definitely the thoughtful letters she received - a good amount from CGN member I'd guess - helped form her balanced column.

Thanks for the fair shake Ms Banks.