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Dump1567
01-13-2010, 1:56 PM
Sorry, I couldn't find any definite yes or no on this.

Is the new Magpul AFG legal on a gripless/featureless build?

Or is it considered a forward pistol grip.

(I figured in theroy you could wrap your hand around your inserted mag and it would be used like a PG)

Thanks.

http://gunsonthestreets.com/other/AR/AFG/IMG_4020.jpg

http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/Magpul_Industries/AFG_9.jpg

http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/Magpul_Industries/AFG_8.jpg

D_fens
01-13-2010, 2:11 PM
I was wondering the same thing after I saw it on Aimsurplus (which oh my, has gotten quite the facelift)

SuperSet
01-13-2010, 2:13 PM
Recently discussed:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=254388&highlight=featureless

Flopper
01-13-2010, 2:15 PM
It's not a pistol grip.

"pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon”
means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing.

source: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/sb23.pdf

MudCamper
01-13-2010, 2:23 PM
It's not a pistol grip.

"pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon”
means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing.

source: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/sb23.pdf

Minor distinction, you are citing PC 12276.1(a)(1)(A) "A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon", but the AFG is not dsigned to be a pistol grip, it's a forward grip, and therefore the concern is 12276.1(a)(1)(F) "forward pistol grip".

And the reality is that it is currently a gray area of law.

Dump1567
01-13-2010, 2:35 PM
Recently discussed:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=254388&highlight=featureless

Thanks for the link. Couldn't find anything on a search.

Diabolus
01-13-2010, 3:22 PM
The laws in this state are so wrong.

Sam .223
01-13-2010, 4:29 PM
because there is a hole in the grip i'd say to be safe not to use on featureless, but if that hole were filled then i wouldn't see any reason to not use it. it may perfectly legal but look at it from an uninformed LE prespective, you may get some flak for useing it and you may need to go to court to sort things out, if you can afford it then i'd say go ahead and use it as is.

GrayWolf09
01-13-2010, 5:46 PM
That is why California laws are so screwed up. They are so vague nobody understands them including most LEO's. Heard a couple of rangemasters at Metcalf today discussing what is legal and what is not. Complete FUD.

glock_this
01-13-2010, 5:50 PM
I dont think you will - yet - find a "definitive" answer. kind of like the BB in the beginning.

there are about 3-5 threads on this exact topic already and no overall 1 consensus.

I finally decided not to do it as I could see great logic - using the applicable definitions - for both sides. so I opted to play is safe for now. it would be so perfect for an AR pistol.

Fate
01-13-2010, 6:01 PM
because there is a hole in the grip i'd say to be safe not to use on featureless, but if that hole were filled then i wouldn't see any reason to not use it. it may perfectly legal but look at it from an uninformed LE prespective, you may get some flak for useing it and you may need to go to court to sort things out, if you can afford it then i'd say go ahead and use it as is.

Again, read this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=254388

aplinker
01-13-2010, 6:02 PM
I'm pretty conservative, and I will be putting one on my featureless rifle with a bit of filling in the hole.

glock_this
01-13-2010, 6:04 PM
Again, read this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=254388

this was one of the better if not the best thread on the topic

glock_this
01-13-2010, 6:05 PM
I'm pretty conservative, and I will be putting one on my featureless rifle with a bit of filling in the hole.

hmm.. "permanently" filling the hole? how?

"a bit"... so not fully fill it?

Fate
01-13-2010, 9:11 PM
I'm pretty conservative, and I will be putting one on my featureless rifle with a bit of filling in the hole.

Cream or raspberry? :D

Actually after hearing reports from Technique, I'd be less concerned about the hole (seems to be too small to get a finger thru) than gripping the whole thing in your hand, "pistol grip style." Pics in the above-mentioned thread show the concern.