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C4iGrant
01-09-2010, 3:05 PM
Hello all. From reading the CA DOJ website, I see that a lot of S&W M&P's are legal to own in CA, but have to have the magazine safety and 10rd mag correct?

So if I can ask, what are you guys paying for S&W M&P's (to include sales tax)?

We are a large S&W dealer and typically do not stock M&P's with mag safety and 10rd mags, but if there is an interest in them, we may just start.


Thanks for the assistance!



C4

sholling
01-09-2010, 5:15 PM
Hi Grant,

I don't know what the current rates are but as an FYI the ok versions are based on sku numbers and not just features. Anyway when I bought my M&P45 2 years ago I paid $500 and the last I looked they had gone up roughly $100-150 since then.

Steve

For those that have never dealt with Grant he's top notch.

C4iGrant
01-09-2010, 5:38 PM
Hi Grant,

I don't know what the current rates are but as an FYI the ok versions are based on sku numbers and not just features. Anyway when I bought my M&P45 2 years ago I paid $500 and the last I looked they had gone up roughly $100-150 since then.

Steve

For those that have never dealt with Grant he's top notch.



Thanks for the info. Is there a list of SKU's that are allowed?

We generally sell M&P's for around $450. So I am wondering if this price will be of interest to folks.

C4

mblat
01-09-2010, 5:52 PM
Thanks for the info. Is there a list of SKU's that are allowed?

We generally sell M&P's for around $450. So I am wondering if this price will be of interest to folks.

C4

Sound like great price. Considering that internet transfer costs here about $70 then you can get it OTD for about $520-$550.
Very good.

AlexDD
01-09-2010, 7:50 PM
Good price. Been looking to buy a M&P45.

PS Would love to get one of those M&P9 "trial balloon" ones presented on m4carbine.net.

Legasat
01-09-2010, 8:02 PM
I have seen M&P's as high as $559.

I own 3 M&P's, and consider myself an enthusiast.

I believe you can make money with this line, as most places can't keep them on the shelf for too long. Your prices look great.

Exposed
01-09-2010, 8:08 PM
M&Ps have surpassed XDs in popularity. The SKU number which are CA approved SHOULD be easy to find for any dealer. I have thought about getting an M&P9C to accompany my M&P45. I paid $750 OTD (including tax and dros) for my M&P45 about a year ago. Let me know if you get them in and have a good deal on them.

Mr._Blonde
01-09-2010, 8:53 PM
I paid $660 OTD for my M&P9c just over a month ago.

pingpong
01-10-2010, 1:09 AM
When I got my M&P9 a year ago, I paid $575+tax+DROS. At the time S&W was doing a 2 free mags or $50 mail in rebate deal, though, which made it a bit more bearable.

Richie Caketown
01-10-2010, 1:12 AM
i bought mine used here for about $450 with very low use i got super lucky. They are great guns all around and am now looking for an M&P45 <3

paco ramirez
01-10-2010, 1:34 AM
Hey Grant, I'm from Silencer Talk. I know at least two people who would buy M&P9s from you for a price like that.

C4iGrant
01-10-2010, 6:17 AM
Thanks for all the feedback guys. It appears that my price is of interest. I would also offer 10rd mags for $25-$26.

C4

C4iGrant
04-13-2010, 8:51 AM
Next question. Does the SKU listed on the DOJ website HAVE to line up with the gun. Or as long as the pistol has a mag safety and 10rd it is good to ship to CA??


C4

missiondude
04-13-2010, 9:35 AM
There is no SKU on the DOJ website. The guns are listed by barrel length and features. The inportant ones are mag safety and 10 rounds. If you search S&W's site, they list the SKU's for Cali compliant models. If you start doing these, I would be in for a 40... The info below is copied from the DOJ site. I would avoid the internal lock versions, as most people do not want the lock. There are exceptions. A mag safety gun with 17 round mags could be shipped here if the mags were swaped out for 10 round versions. I have had it done.

M&P 40 (Mag Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.25" .40 S&W 5/18/2010
M&P 40 (Mag. Safety, Internal Lock) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.25" .40 S&W 11/30/2010
M&P 40c (Mag. Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 3.5" .40 S&W 1/31/2011
M&P 45 (Black/Mag.& Thumb Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.5" .45 ACP 1/31/2011
M&P 45 (Mag. Safety & Thumb Safety) Dark Earth Bro / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.5" .45 ACP 2/12/2011
M&P 45 (Mag. Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.5" .45 ACP 1/31/2011
M&P 9 (Mag Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.25" 9mm 8/16/2010
M&P 9 (Mag. Safety, Internal Lock) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.25" 9mm 11/30/2010
M&P 9C (Mag. Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 3.50" 9mm 1/16/2011

C4iGrant
04-13-2010, 9:57 AM
There is no SKU on the DOJ website. The guns are listed by barrel length and features. The inportant ones are mag safety and 10 rounds. If you search S&W's site, they list the SKU's for Cali compliant models. If you start doing these, I would be in for a 40... The info below is copied from the DOJ site. I would avoid the internal lock versions, as most people do not want the lock. There are exceptions. A mag safety gun with 17 round mags could be shipped here if the mags were swaped out for 10 round versions. I have had it done.

M&P 40 (Mag Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.25" .40 S&W 5/18/2010
M&P 40 (Mag. Safety, Internal Lock) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.25" .40 S&W 11/30/2010
M&P 40c (Mag. Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 3.5" .40 S&W 1/31/2011
M&P 45 (Black/Mag.& Thumb Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.5" .45 ACP 1/31/2011
M&P 45 (Mag. Safety & Thumb Safety) Dark Earth Bro / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.5" .45 ACP 2/12/2011
M&P 45 (Mag. Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.5" .45 ACP 1/31/2011
M&P 9 (Mag Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.25" 9mm 8/16/2010
M&P 9 (Mag. Safety, Internal Lock) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.25" 9mm 11/30/2010
M&P 9C (Mag. Safety) / Stainless Steel, Polymer Pistol 3.50" 9mm 1/16/2011


This is what I thought.

We won't be stocking them with internal locks and will have the 10rd mags available for swapping.


C4

AMDG
04-13-2010, 10:24 AM
There is no SKU on the DOJ website. The guns are listed by barrel length and features. The inportant ones are mag safety and 10 rounds. If you search S&W's site, they list the SKU's for Cali compliant models. If you start doing these, I would be in for a 40... The info below is copied from the DOJ site. I would avoid the internal lock versions, as most people do not want the lock. There are exceptions. A mag safety gun with 17 round mags could be shipped here if the mags were swaped out for 10 round versions. I have had it done.

Another alternative is to send the 17 rounder's disassembled into parts kits for those who already have them or would like to use them out of state.

missiondude
04-13-2010, 10:54 AM
Another alternative is to send the 17 rounder's disassembled into parts kits for those who already have them or would like to use them out of state.

Those that already have them can have them shipped in complete as they would have to be exempt from the 10 round limit. I dont know of any M&P mags that existed prior to 2000....

Now if someone can show me how to turn a 3 gen S&W auto mag into something that will work in a M&P I have many circa 1989 15 round 5906 mags that I would be willing to convert...

AMDG
04-13-2010, 11:08 AM
Those that already have them can have them shipped in complete as they would have to be exempt from the 10 round limit. I dont know of any M&P mags that existed prior to 2000....

Non-LEO's can come into possession of 10+ round magazines that did not exist before 2000 without breaking the law (or conspiring to break the law). I personally know of several instances. In such a case, they would need to have the 17-rounders disassembled.

Shenaniguns
04-13-2010, 12:37 PM
This is what I thought.

We won't be stocking them with internal locks and will have the 10rd mags available for swapping.


C4



Now you tell me :o

smarter
04-13-2010, 2:51 PM
I'd definitely would be interested in some 17 rnd mag rebuild kits for m&p 9. Keep us updated!!

RT13
04-13-2010, 3:18 PM
I just got my MP45 for $569. But they normally sell around $659.

slik556
04-13-2010, 4:52 PM
Non-LEO's can come into possession of 10+ round magazines that did not exist before 2000 without breaking the law (or conspiring to break the law). I personally know of several instances. In such a case, they would need to have the 17-rounders disassembled.

Can you give me an example of this?

AMDG
04-13-2010, 6:26 PM
Can you give me an example of this?

Sure, I'll give you a two, but I know of more:

1. Purchaser buys gun at FFL. Purchaser goes home after pickup and, upon inspection, discovers that the magazines are +10. This has come up several times on Calguns.

2. Firearm Owner purchases a firearm for which standard capacity magazines are +10. Truly ignorant of CA law, Firearm Owner's relative who lives in a free state sends Firearm Owner standard capacity magazines for Firearm Owner's birthday, which Firearm Owner was truly not expecting.

The FFL in example 1 and the Firearm Owner's ignorant relative in example 2 broke the law, but neither Purchaser nor Firearm Owner broke the law. Now, you might call BS on Firearm Owner not knowing what was coming, which, if he/she did, would be committing conspiracy to import (if not being guilty of importation directly), but, if you accept the facts as presented (innocent until proven guilty), then Firearm Owner has come into possession +10 capacity magazines without breaking the law.

JustinStrife
04-13-2010, 9:24 PM
Thanks for the info. Is there a list of SKU's that are allowed?

We generally sell M&P's for around $450. So I am wondering if this price will be of interest to folks.

C4

I'd definitely be interested in both full size and compact in .40 S/W for this price. :)

paco ramirez
04-14-2010, 6:59 PM
Grant, any chance you'll have this set up before August?

kimo308
04-14-2010, 10:46 PM
Just got my M&P45 and lovin it. May want a M&P9 compact next.

Sam
04-15-2010, 12:03 AM
Sure, I'll give you a two, but I know of more:

1. Purchaser buys gun at FFL. Purchaser goes home after pickup and, upon inspection, discovers that the magazines are +10. This has come up several times on Calguns.

2. Firearm Owner purchases a firearm for which standard capacity magazines are +10. Truly ignorant of CA law, Firearm Owner's relative who lives in a free state sends Firearm Owner standard capacity magazines for Firearm Owner's birthday, which Firearm Owner was truly not expecting.

The FFL in example 1 and the Firearm Owner's ignorant relative in example 2 broke the law, but neither Purchaser nor Firearm Owner broke the law. Now, you might call BS on Firearm Owner not knowing what was coming, which, if he/she did, would be committing conspiracy to import (if not being guilty of importation directly), but, if you accept the facts as presented (innocent until proven guilty), then Firearm Owner has come into possession +10 capacity magazines without breaking the law.

See 12020 (a)(1):
Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.

Any set of facts that gets a "high capacity magazine" into California that doesn't break that law would be legal.

AMDG
04-15-2010, 7:03 AM
See 12020 (a)(1):
Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.

Any set of facts that gets a "high capacity magazine" into California that doesn't break that law would be legal.


Thank you. I lot of people don't seem to get this.

bwiese
04-15-2010, 10:38 AM
Thank you. I lot of people don't seem to get this.

A lot of folks are playing stupid word games that may well not hold up in court, either.

Shenaniguns
04-15-2010, 10:48 AM
A lot of folks are playing stupid word games that may well not hold up in court, either.


That sounds like the problem many are having regarding expandable batons as well...

AMDG
04-15-2010, 4:16 PM
A lot of folks are playing stupid word games that may well not hold up in court, either.

I'm not trying to play stupid word games (or suggest anyone break the law or conspire to do so), I'm just annoyed by FUD like "you can't have a +10 unless you owned it before 2000" or by people who assume that someone with a standard xd(m) (or other post-2000) mag must have broken the law.

bwiese
04-15-2010, 5:01 PM
I'm just annoyed by FUD like "you can't have a +10 unless you owned it before 2000"

It's not FUD. Until I hear from lawyers that this is 100% OK, this is a highly nonadvocable position. That mag had to come from somewhere (manufactured or imported or transferred) and there's really no such thing as "half-legal/half-illegal transactions".

I almost hope that some asshat that "finds" a hicap mag for a post-2000 gun goes to the cooler so it'll quell BS.

Yes, possession itself of a hicap mag is legal. Burden of proof is on the prosecution, but if that mag didn't exist yet (i.e, the gun design arose in 2000 or later) it smells really, really, really, really bad.

And many folks - once confronted by LE - simply don't have the cojones to STFU and will make statements contrary to interest and dig themselves in deeper. I've seen too many issues where folks panic and start talking.

There will be other pure ways to acquire hicap mags in the near future and the groundwork is being laid. 'Nuff said.

socalblue
04-15-2010, 5:06 PM
That sounds like the problem many are having regarding expandable batons as well...

Nope. Large volume of case law there. It's a felony unless you have a baton permit & are authorized to carry one for work, etc. Possession is a different issue altogether. Having one at home & using it for self defense should IMO be legal but there is no solid case law on that today.

AMDG
04-15-2010, 5:18 PM
It's not FUD. Until I hear from lawyers that this is 100% OK, this is a highly nonadvocable position. That mag had to come from somewhere (manufactured or imported or transferred) and there's really no such thing as "half-legal/half-illegal transactions".

It is FUD and I am a lawyer. It just begs the question of how the person came into possession, much more so if it involves a post-2000 mag.

There will be other pure ways to acquire hicap mags in the near future and the groundwork is being laid.

I realize that and look forward to the day so that I can enjoy my firearms (that is if I had any :TFH:) the way they were built to be.

'Nuff said.

I agree. There are many threads dealing with this issue and I don't want to argue with you or try to change your interpretation of the law. We just disagree on this point.

C4iGrant
04-20-2010, 11:16 AM
Grant, any chance you'll have this set up before August?

Doing it right now. Mag safey guns are on order. 10rd 9mm mags (full size) are in stock now). Waiting on 10rd 9mm compact mags).


If you want a gun, suggest e-mailing us with the SKU and getting in line. ;)



C4

77bawls
04-20-2010, 11:42 AM
Sale price is usually $525. I've seen ones without the mag safety here.

C4iGrant
04-20-2010, 11:45 AM
Sale price is usually $525. I've seen ones without the mag safety here.

Really? How can they not have a mag safety???



C4

77bawls
04-20-2010, 11:57 AM
I don't know but I've seen them. It had the big sign on the slide saying, caution this gun will fire without the magazine.

paco ramirez
04-20-2010, 1:42 PM
Doing it right now. Mag safey guns are on order. 10rd 9mm mags (full size) are in stock now). Waiting on 10rd 9mm compact mags).


If you want a gun, suggest e-mailing us with the SKU and getting in line. ;)



C4

Sounds good, I'll be shooting out an email Friday when I find out what my paycheck is :)

socalblue
04-20-2010, 1:46 PM
I don't know but I've seen them. It had the big sign on the slide saying, caution this gun will fire without the magazine.

That would be a LEO only pistol (could be done PPT?).

77bawls
04-20-2010, 11:40 PM
Huh. It was on the wall...
Maybe I should buy it and seize the opportunity.

Blackhawk556
04-21-2010, 10:49 AM
you sell m&p 9mm compact or sub compact put me down for one.

J_Rock
04-21-2010, 12:03 PM
I don't know but I've seen them. It had the big sign on the slide saying, caution this gun will fire without the magazine.

Or you can just remove it yourself after buying one...

Exiledviking
05-25-2010, 8:59 PM
Grant, PM sent.

Abesnake
05-25-2010, 10:09 PM
I have seen M&P's as high as $559.

I own 3 M&P's, and consider myself an enthusiast.

I believe you can make money with this line, as most places can't keep them on the shelf for too long. Your prices look great.

Looks like your investment is going up, man. I just checked Gunbroker.com and the least price I could find for a M&P45 was over $500 and there were two up at auction for $700/$750.

HeyZeus
05-26-2010, 4:30 AM
I bought my M&P for 275 with only 40 rounds down the pipe. It also does not have the magazine disconnect b.s.:p

On the side it does say caution this gun will fire without the magazine. It was a PPT.