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subin
01-08-2010, 1:20 PM
I ran across this http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2008/03/02/build-a-75-foot-target-range-in-your-basement/ and wonder if it is legal to build such a tunnel inside a house in LA county. The tunnel will be well vent, sound proof and with access to clean the lead contamination.

If I recall, I believe the code says that it is not allow to discharge a firearm in the county, except in the shooting range.

robert101
01-08-2010, 1:34 PM
Anything is possible. Just open your pocket and spend that money on permits, construction, and hope you have a 75' long existing basement. I don't believe there is one basement in my entire neighborhood.

Purple K
01-08-2010, 1:38 PM
If it's soundproof who will know

louscamaro91
01-08-2010, 1:42 PM
Pretty cool. I know of a guy that did something similar to this

maddoggie13
01-08-2010, 1:44 PM
Sweet...too bad I don't have a basement.

9mmepiphany
01-08-2010, 1:54 PM
The tunnel will be well vent, sound proof and with access to clean the lead contamination.

i've thought about this in my back yard as i do have the room, but i got stuck on how you combine "well vented" and "sound proof"...if air passes through, so does sound

subin
01-08-2010, 1:55 PM
Well, I googled "discharging firearm in los angeles county" and found some discussions regarding this.

glock_this
01-08-2010, 2:00 PM
I live in San Diego

I should cruise down to TJ, and hire some of them to build one for me as we all know they know how to build tunnels like ants :)

subin
01-08-2010, 2:00 PM
i've thought about this in my back yard as i do have the room, but i got stuck on how you combine "well vented" and "sound proof"...if air passes through, so does sound

Good point. It will be in the basement and vented with exhaust fan. I remember shooting in an indoor range in Scottsdale, AZ, which has around 5 tunnels in the basement and I was at the outside of the range and could not hear any noise.

vta
01-08-2010, 2:06 PM
what is the city ordnance regarding dischargin fireamrs regardless of noise? anything? I have shot aguila colibris in my backyard. no one can hear it but i dont know if its legal...

echang86
01-08-2010, 2:10 PM
I don't know the details, but I know it's possible. I know someone in my city that has his own indoor range.

littlejake
01-08-2010, 2:19 PM
It is legal to discharge at a range.

I my opinion, you would need a range permit to construct and use such a tunnel. Big money and city council review.. likely your neighbors would be allowed to comment on your permit application and they would block your application. You are likely to have a range permit application summarily rejected on grounds of residential zoning. Sorry, but, I think you already knew that California and LA County would oppose such a firing tunnel.

I believe some gunsmiths have permits to discharge into a ballistic containment device to test fire weapons. But they are in commercial zoned property; and their ballistic stop is not like a target range.

Gary13
01-08-2010, 2:32 PM
I just think it is funny how the pictures show a guy wearing a tie. Don't think anyone these days shoots wearing a tie. Might get stuck in their AR.

Cokebottle
01-08-2010, 2:41 PM
i've thought about this in my back yard as i do have the room, but i got stuck on how you combine "well vented" and "sound proof"...if air passes through, so does sound
Acoustic absorbing pyramid foam, and multiple "S" turns in the ductwork.

You could even go a step further and use an electronic cancellation system within the duct... a microphone picks up the incoming sound and a speaker fires an identical sound "at it" that is 180 degrees out of phase.

CGT80
01-08-2010, 5:06 PM
i've thought about this in my back yard as i do have the room, but i got stuck on how you combine "well vented" and "sound proof"...if air passes through, so does sound

Automotive mufflers pass air very well, but reduce the sound greatly. It would be a challenge though to do that with an air exchange system, but I'm sure it's possible.

Afterburnt
01-08-2010, 5:40 PM
I have dreamt of something similar. When I die and go to a free state, I mean retire and move to a free state. I will buy a few acres and lay 100 yards of 6 foot concrete conduit underground replete with escape hatch (that emerges in another dimension or Texas, anyone know where to get an Einstein Rosen bridge cheap?)and a forced air system bullet trap etc. On the business end I want a wet bar a Furgeson crapper and a multi-screen surveillance/entertainment system to look out for revenuers and to whatch old Clint Eastwood flicks. Oh and a hammock, I dont think I will bother putting a house on top of it. Maybe you can get the required permits in L.A. if your certify that you will never come out but why would you want to? Do you have a few friends that will lower down some rations now and then. Damn I thought I was getting better? LOL!

turbochris
01-08-2010, 5:47 PM
nuts might be cheaper to just go out to buy some land

Argonaut
01-08-2010, 5:59 PM
I helped build one in Rosemead in the early 70's. My Wife's cousin was a swimming pool contractor/shooter. We built several 50 and 100 footers. All underground, I think that we used 48" concrete pipe. It was large enough to go down to service the target system but you couldn't stand up in it. We built a pulley system for the target and ran an incandescent light to it. The people would stand in the basement and shoot into the pipe. It worked great and could not be heard unless you were very close. Most people shoot small bore in them.

K5Cruiser
01-08-2010, 7:00 PM
Please tell us where in Rosemead. I'd love to check it out. :D

I've got a hill in my back yard and have always wanted to dig it out enough to have a 25 yard range for handgun use. I know it's not going to happen though.

DNA
01-08-2010, 9:31 PM
How much did those things cost back then to have the installed in Rosemead? And do you know if any of those houses are for sale? :D

Dan

bodger
01-09-2010, 10:40 AM
The author Tom Clancy has a one lane indoor shooting range in the basement of his house, wherever that is.
I saw an article on it once, pretty nice thing to have in your basement.

LAWABIDINGCITIZEN
01-09-2010, 12:58 PM
I have dreamt of something similar. .... On the business end I want a wet bar a Furgeson crapper and a multi-screen surveillance/entertainment system.......whatch old Clit Eastwood flicks. Oh and a hammock....... LOL!

What's America coming to when a man can't let a few rounds fly in his basement any time he wants to?????

:25::cheers2::2guns::tt2:

armedoffroader
01-09-2010, 1:04 PM
The author Tom Clancy has a one lane indoor shooting range in the basement of his house, wherever that is.
I saw an article on it once, pretty nice thing to have in your basement.

Thats awesome...must be nice

We Are Apocalypse
01-09-2010, 1:09 PM
If you plan on having a ventilation system for a shooting range (or tunnel) you may want to check with the AQMD and make sure you do not need any air quality permits.

CSACANNONEER
01-09-2010, 1:15 PM
Don't forget proper ventalization would be required. Shooting creates lead in the air. Lead, like other heavy metals, can cause serious health problems including the need for Viagra! Think long and hard before doing this without a proven design.

85FourEyedGT
01-09-2010, 2:10 PM
also wouldnt you have to pay extra property tax because the range increases the square footage of your house?

chuckdc
01-09-2010, 2:19 PM
The author Tom Clancy has a one lane indoor shooting range in the basement of his house, wherever that is.
I saw an article on it once, pretty nice thing to have in your basement.

He lives somewhere near Calvert Cliffs in Maryland. He also has an M4 Sherman tank parked out front of his house.

Argonaut
01-09-2010, 2:32 PM
Please tell us where in Rosemead. I'd love to check it out. :D

I've got a hill in my back yard and have always wanted to dig it out enough to have a 25 yard range for handgun use. I know it's not going to happen though.

It was a long time ago, Probably 1975? My Ex Wife's Cousin was a Swimming pool contractor and I was In the Air Force. He was a great guy and I would help him sometimes. I have no Idea where we were. He lived in Rosemead. I think he got the idea when some people asked him to take out a pool and he had a big hole to work with. He would use a garage creeper to go down the pipe with to service the light and pulley assembly. I haven't herd from or about those people since the late 70's and my divorce.

GJC
01-09-2010, 2:47 PM
That is cool as heck! Wish I had a basement :D

SJgunguy24
01-09-2010, 4:16 PM
i've thought about this in my back yard as i do have the room, but i got stuck on how you combine "well vented" and "sound proof"...if air passes through, so does sound

Sound traps. I was working at a lab in Palo Alto and the exhaust system had to be as quiet as possible. We fly the sound traps into place. In order to seal it up properly one of our guys had to climb inside. He was literally 4 feet away from me and I couldn't hear anything he said. I had to yell to get him to look at me.

JTROKS
01-09-2010, 4:35 PM
I've always wanted something like that extending out to 25 yards. Knowing Kalifornia you'll have to get some special permit for the lead hazard. Maybe if you live in Nevada, but then again there are still lots of property in Nevada and Utah that you can shoot guns right outside your back yard.

longarmshortlegs
01-09-2010, 4:47 PM
i've thought about this in my back yard as i do have the room, but i got stuck on how you combine "well vented" and "sound proof"...if air passes through, so does sound

I'm sure it can be done. Think of a muffler from an automobile. But you'd probably have much more freedom in exhausting a shooting gallery and maintaining sound proofing. Sound bounces and reflects and ricochets, and can be directed as well.

There are basements in CA?

9mmepiphany
01-09-2010, 8:27 PM
But you'd probably have much more freedom in exhausting a shooting gallery and maintaining sound proofing.

i was thinking about something "covert" enough to not disturb the neighbors. i have about 40yards out the back door and my nearest neighbor is 20yards away.

my first thought was a semi-buried bunker/man cave...so above ground access for maintenance at the backstop end

There are basements in CA?

a lot of older homes have a basement...usually for the furnace and washer/drying

whipkiller
01-09-2010, 9:59 PM
If a weapon is fired in a basement and no one can hear it, does it still make a sound? -Plato-

(OK not really, it was me.)

Turbinator
01-09-2010, 11:52 PM
My belief is that there are probably a few Hollywood / LA homes for celebs that have underground shooting lanes in them. I have not personally seen any in person, but recall reading about or seeing these things on TV. I guess it comes down to how well are you connected, and how much are you willing to spend to get it done.

Turby

gravedigger
01-10-2010, 12:18 AM
Lead, like other heavy metals, can cause serious health problems including the need for Viagra!

Origin of the term, "Get the lead out!" ?