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gzinga
01-08-2010, 10:53 AM
Hi all,

I bet this ain't new but for sake of my sanity since I am not a lawyer and every time I read the law I get more and more confused...

"NEVER HAVE AN OFF-LIST LOWER RECEIVER WITH AN OPEN MAGAZINE WELL AND A PISTOL GRIP OR FOLDING (etc.) STOCK STILL ATACHED - EVEN FOR A MOMENT!!"

I got this from calguns ("http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm"), doesn't this imply that if I remove my magazine even with the bullet button I am committing a felony?

thanks!

Librarian
01-08-2010, 11:00 AM
Hi all,

I bet this ain't new but for sake of my sanity since I am not a lawyer and every time I read the law I get more and more confused...

"NEVER HAVE AN OFF-LIST LOWER RECEIVER WITH AN OPEN MAGAZINE WELL AND A PISTOL GRIP OR FOLDING (etc.) STOCK STILL ATACHED - EVEN FOR A MOMENT!!"

I got this from calguns ("http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm"), doesn't this imply that if I remove my magazine even with the bullet button I am committing a felony?

thanks!

No.

It's no surprise you may be confused; California laws are pretty much designed to create confusion.

Read the wiki articles (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Main_Page#Semiautomatic_Rifles) and you'll get a better feel for things.

Chris M
01-08-2010, 11:19 AM
Hi all,

I bet this ain't new but for sake of my sanity since I am not a lawyer and every time I read the law I get more and more confused...

"NEVER HAVE AN OFF-LIST LOWER RECEIVER WITH AN OPEN MAGAZINE WELL AND A PISTOL GRIP OR FOLDING (etc.) STOCK STILL ATACHED - EVEN FOR A MOMENT!!"

I got this from calguns ("http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm"), doesn't this imply that if I remove my magazine even with the bullet button I am committing a felony?

thanks!

http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm

This document was dated 4 years ago, and should probably be updated to reflect more accurate information.

Even with the magazine out, the rifle - with a magazine lock installed - although it is able to accept a magazine, is unable to accept a detachable magazine.

gzinga
01-08-2010, 11:54 AM
http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm

This document was dated 4 years ago, and should probably be updated to reflect more accurate information.

Even with the magazine out, the rifle - with a magazine lock installed - although it is able to accept a magazine, is unable to accept a detachable magazine.

that is what I thought too but after reading that document all turned up side down.....

thanks, Gabe

CAL.BAR
01-08-2010, 12:22 PM
No.

It's no surprise you may be confused; California laws are pretty much designed to create confusion.

Read the wiki articles (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Main_Page#Semiautomatic_Rifles) and you'll get a better feel for things.

To be fair - KA never designed the laws to create confusion. They passed the law(s) to BAN everything that even remotely looked dangerous (like the AR-15) "We" caused all the confusion with the OLL's BB's etc. The "state" assumed that we'd all knuckle under and have nothing but hunting rifles.

Racefiend
01-08-2010, 12:57 PM
I would venture to say that even without a magazine catch installed of any kind, the bare magwell cannot have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine. Because in order to be detached, it must first be attached. Miriam/Webster defines attach as:

4 : to make fast (as by tying or gluing)

or Oxford:

1 fasten; join

Just holding the magazine in place by hand pressure doesn't fall under the definition of attached IMO. Of course, you'd have to convince a jury of that. In the end, it's better to be safe than sorry :) Just put a BB/lock on it!

383green
01-08-2010, 1:26 PM
If I recall correctly, that statement about the open magwell was made before the days of Bullet Button magazine locks. It seemed to be a concern when everybody was using magazine locks such as the Prince50, Sporting Conversions, etc., but is no longer a concern in guns equipped with Bullet Button style magazine locks.

hoffmang
01-08-2010, 3:34 PM
Bill still hasn't updated the FAQ - which was written pre-bullet button and in with far more of an abundance of caution.

-Gene