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Cali-V
01-03-2010, 4:06 PM
Would the requirement for dealer transfer (Cal. Penal Code section 12082), apply to the interstate transfer of a Colt 1877 Lighting/Thunderer DA in .41 Colt manufactured in 1900 to a CA C&R holder....



Can antique handguns be transferred to a CA C&R holder without a dealer, from an out of start seller?
In this case, does the design date of 1877 make this handgun a CA antique, even thou this one was manufactured in 1902?
Would the 100 year federal rule for antiques apply here?
What significance is the 1899 cut off?

I have a C&R plus COE, so I can ship to a dealer, and p/u same day; but I have yet been able to get a clear answer to the direct ship question for Antique Handguns...

Thanks
CV

trautert
01-03-2010, 4:36 PM
It is not an antique unless manufactured no later than December 31, 1898.

I am pretty certain the manufacture date in 1902 means it has to go to an 01 FFL to enter the state.

SikDMAX
01-03-2010, 4:42 PM
Correct. Handguns still through 01 FFL

thedrickel
01-03-2010, 5:07 PM
1. yes
2. no
3. what federal 100 year rule? I though the rule was 12/31/1898
4. The fedgods have decreed it to be so!

Cali-V
01-03-2010, 5:15 PM
100 yr rule... I remember something in the c&r man...I'll check when I get home...
Thxs Guys!

Mssr. Eleganté
01-03-2010, 6:58 PM
100 yr rule... I remember something in the c&r man...I'll check when I get home...
Thxs Guys!


There is no "100 year" rule.

Cali-V
01-03-2010, 7:40 PM
Yeah that 100 year thing was a little FUD I heard...

Super Spy
01-03-2010, 8:32 PM
This is confusing me, I asked someone at ATF in CA this and they told me I can buy a C&R pistol direct (with an FFL03) but that I needed to file DOJ paperwork within 10 days of receipt. I know that this could be FUD at the highest level, I have my C&R on the way and was hoping this was accurate......

Mssr. Eleganté
01-03-2010, 9:05 PM
This is confusing me, I asked someone at ATF in CA this and they told me I can buy a C&R pistol direct (with an FFL03) but that I needed to file DOJ paperwork within 10 days of receipt. I know that this could be FUD at the highest level, I have my C&R on the way and was hoping this was accurate......

A California C&R FFL can only acquire C&R pistols directly while they are physically outside of California. Once they return to California with the C&R pistol they have 5 days to send in paperwork and payment to CalDOJ. If the C&R handgun is to be shipped into California by the seller then it needs to be shipped to a California licensed dealer first. This is required because of California law, not Federal law. That might be why the ATF person you talked to was confused.

Cali-V
01-03-2010, 9:36 PM
cmcconn
Given some antique handguns are exempt from most firearm and c&r regulations, my questions more or less ask if a Colt 1877 manufactured in 1902 could be defined as a antique handgun, or was it a C&R.

If it could be an antique, then it could be shipped to me directly... I would benefit with reduced overall cost, and improved convenience.

Since it was built in 1902, after 12/31/1889, it would be defined as a C&R item; for delivery into CA, it would have to be shipped to a 01/07 FFL.

Naturally, I also have the option of completing the transfer, face to face with the seller in her home state. Upon my return I would then have 5 days to notify DOJ...

I hope that clears it all up...