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supersonic
12-31-2009, 8:19 AM
FBI Reports Huge Decrease In Murders As Firearm, Ammunition And "Large" Magazine Sales Soar‏

Ummmm..........DUH!!!!! Anyway, just goes further to prove our point(s) and how all the BULLSH*T we have to fight against is so ri-GOD-DAMN-diculous! For your enjoyment:


NRA-ILA GRASSROOTS ALERT
Vol. 16, No. 51 12/30/09

FBI Reports Huge Decrease In Murders
As Firearm, Ammunition And "Large" Magazine Sales Soar


Last week, the FBI issued its preliminary 2009 crime report, showing that the number of murders in the first half of 2009 decreased 10 percent compared to the first half of 2008. If the trend holds for the remainder of 2009, it will be the single greatest one-year decrease in the number of murders since at least 1960, the earliest year for which national data are available through the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Also, the per capita murder rate for 2009 will be 51 percent lower than the all-time high recorded in 1991, and it will be the lowest rate since 1963 - a 46-year low. Final figures for 2009 will be released by the FBI next year.




According to gun control supporter dogma - "more guns means more crime" - the number of privately owned firearms must have decreased 10 percent in 2009. To the contrary, however, the number rose between 1.5 and 2 percent, to an all-time high. For the better part of the last 15 months, firearms, ammunition, and "large" ammunition magazines have been sold in what appear to be record quantities. And, the firearms that were most commonly purchased in 2009 are those that gun control supporters most want to be banned - AR-15s, similar semi-automatic rifles, and handguns designed for defense. The National Shooting Sports Foundation already estimates record ammunition sales in 2009, dominated by .223 Remington, 7.62x39mm, 9mm and other calibers widely favored for defensive purposes.



Also indicative of the upward trend in firearm sales, the number of national instant check transactions rose 24.5 percent in the first six months of 2009 compared to the first six months in 2008, the greatest increase since NICS' inception in 1998. Through the end of October, NICS transactions rose18 percent, compared to the same period in 2008.


More Guns Means More Crime? Hardly. In 2009, more guns meant less crime, in a very, very big way.

virulosity
12-31-2009, 8:23 AM
The link you posted is for e-mail login. I think you have to copy and paste the text.

supersonic
12-31-2009, 8:30 AM
The link you posted is for e-mail login. I think you have to copy and paste the text.

Wow, I really screwed the pooch on that!:eek: Howz this?

dustoff31
12-31-2009, 8:36 AM
So in other words, it appears that criminals tend to refrain from attacking people when they have reason to believe that the victim might have the means to defend themselves.

Who woudda thunk it.

GrizzlyGuy
12-31-2009, 8:37 AM
Yesterday, American Thinker came out with an article on that FBI report as well:

More Guns Less Crime in '09 (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/more_guns_less_crime_in_09.html)

Americans went on binges buying guns and ammunition in early 2009, worried that a radical leftist president and Democrat-dominated Congress would violate their Second-Amendment rights to keep and bear arms. The effects? Less murder, robbery, rape, and property crime, according to an FBI report released Monday. This gives the young president and Democrat Congress at least one proud but unintended accomplishment for which they'll never claim credit...

Nose Nuggets
12-31-2009, 9:36 AM
"This gives the young president and Democrat Congress at least one proud but unintended accomplishment for which they'll never claim credit..."


ROFL!

if only one...

Kid Stanislaus
12-31-2009, 10:40 AM
Yesterday, American Thinker came out with an article on that FBI report as well:

More Guns Less Crime in '09 (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/more_guns_less_crime_in_09.html)


Thanks GrizGuy, I've put American Thinker into me Favorites list.

SteveH
12-31-2009, 11:02 AM
So what is the cause of the decrease in murders? Large numbers of our young people deployed overseas? Improved medical care resulting in victims surviving injuries that would have killed them a decade ago? SEntancing enhancements like 3-strikes. INS deporting the most violent criminal illegals? Education like anger management classes for youthfull offenders? Poor economy forcing the young to focus on work instead of blowing money and time on dope and alcohol?


Or is every change in society good or bad the direct result of firearms laws?

SixPointEight
12-31-2009, 11:10 AM
So what is the cause of the decrease in murders? Large numbers of our young people deployed overseas? Improved medical care resulting in victims surviving injuries that would have killed them a decade ago? SEntancing enhancements like 3-strikes. INS deporting the most violent criminal illegals? Education like anger management classes for youthfull offenders? Poor economy forcing the young to focus on work instead of blowing money and time on dope and alcohol?


Or is every change in society good or bad the direct result of firearms laws?

You have a valid point, but also note, at the VERY LEAST this shows that more guns DOES NOT necessarily mean more crime, and that at least in this case(and many others not being discussed here) there isn't a causal link between more guns and more crime, in fact the data seems to show that there's a correlation between less guns and more crime.

davescz
12-31-2009, 11:29 AM
Cause - effect thing I suppose. No surprise to me.:rolleyes:

The good news FBI crime results at the same time as a nation wide gun run has the anti-gunners up in knots :eek:

Their being up in knots is cause what they believe is being proved wrong right before their eyes. :)

They is wrong because their idea of gun control is the product of a mind void of the acceptance of a basic, natural Civil Right, that right to defend One's self. :patriot:

You cant go against nature, a basic human right and expect "good" results:kest:

Our Founders got it right. :patriot:

Flopper
12-31-2009, 11:31 AM
You have a valid point, but also note, at the VERY LEAST this shows that more guns DOES NOT necessarily mean more crime, and that at least in this case(and many others not being discussed here) there isn't a causal link between more guns and more crime, in fact the data seems to show that there's a correlation between less guns and more crime.

+1

SteveH-

Notice that the comparison in the crime statistics is between 1st Half 2009 and 1st Half 2008.

All of the correlative reasons you gave for the decrease in crime went into effect much earlier than the time period in question, whereas the huge increase in firearms, ammo, and hi-cap mag sales has occurred "For the better part of the last 15 months."

davescz
12-31-2009, 11:32 AM
Cause - effect thing I suppose. No surprise to me.:rolleyes:

The good news FBI crime results at the same time as a nation wide gun run has the anti-gunners up in knots :eek:

Their being up in knots is cause what they believe is being proved wrong right before their eyes. :banghead:

They is wrong because their idea of gun control is the product of a mind void of the acceptance of a basic, natural Civil Right, that right to defend One's self. :patriot:

You cant go against nature, a basic human right and expect "good" results:kest:

Our Founders got it right. :patriot:

Roadrunner
12-31-2009, 11:36 AM
So what is the cause of the decrease in murders? Large numbers of our young people deployed overseas? Improved medical care resulting in victims surviving injuries that would have killed them a decade ago? SEntancing enhancements like 3-strikes. INS deporting the most violent criminal illegals? Education like anger management classes for youthfull offenders? Poor economy forcing the young to focus on work instead of blowing money and time on dope and alcohol?


Or is every change in society good or bad the direct result of firearms laws?

Maybe not a direct result, but certainly a contributing or associated factor. If a person presents themself as a greater risk of death or injury if attacked, common sense suggests that a criminal will seek an easier target.

supersonic
12-31-2009, 11:41 AM
So what is the cause of the decrease in murders? Large numbers of our young people deployed overseas? Improved medical care resulting in victims surviving injuries that would have killed them a decade ago? SEntancing enhancements like 3-strikes. INS deporting the most violent criminal illegals? Education like anger management classes for youthfull offenders? Poor economy forcing the young to focus on work instead of blowing money and time on dope and alcohol?


Or is every change in society good or bad the direct result of firearms laws?

I won't argue your point, as it is valid (to some extent regarding what I originally posted). But, as JT mentioned, it just proves once again that firearms laws & restrictions have not done a thing to lower the crime/murder rate in our country. It is exactly like this pathetic "war on drugs." No matter how many tax dollars/resources are used (read: wasted); and no matter how many laws are made more aggressive, the fact is that the DEA will never stop 99% of the illegal dope from entering our nation. Guns: same/same. The criminal element is going to get its hands on firepower through the illegal "chain" (black market) no matter how many laws/restrictions are put upon actual legal firearms. And, its just common sense that the majority of violent criminals a cowardly at heart, so preying upon someone they know could be armed to the teeth isn't even an option.;)

tyrist
12-31-2009, 12:06 PM
You have a valid point, but also note, at the VERY LEAST this shows that more guns DOES NOT necessarily mean more crime, and that at least in this case(and many others not being discussed here) there isn't a causal link between more guns and more crime, in fact the data seems to show that there's a correlation between less guns and more crime.

I think this is the largest point to take away. Crime most likely operates completely independently of whether or not firearms are present. So passing gun laws in efforts to reduce crime is fruitless. If they don't have guns they will use knives and clubs.

wash
12-31-2009, 12:26 PM
The Genie was out of the bottle hundreds of years ago.

At this point it's impossible to restrict criminal's access to guns.

If it's impossible, why try? Then there is the indisputable fact that gun control laws have always failed to decrease crime.

Gun control laws don't do anything they are designed to do except infringe the rights of law abiding citizens.

SJgunguy24
12-31-2009, 12:29 PM
I think this is the largest point to take away. Crime most likely operates completely independently of whether or not firearms are present. So passing gun laws in efforts to reduce crime is fruitless. If they don't have guns they will use knives and clubs.


It's human nature, if you want something bad enough, your gonna make it happen.
To think that words will stop anybody who doesn't respect those words is insane and foolish. This report is another slap in the face to those who would have laws passed in place of common sense and sound judgement, pathetic is the very least I can say.