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EDR
12-28-2009, 4:07 PM
Anyone know if assisted opening knives are illegal in NYC? Going there tomorow and I'd rather not get jammed up.

Thanks.

sreiter
12-28-2009, 5:11 PM
use a knife, even in self defense, go to Rikers Island for 1 year mandatory (assuming you get caught).

Quiet
12-28-2009, 6:02 PM
AFAIK...
Possession of a folding knife or a knife with a blade length 4" or greater is illegal.
Concealed carry of a knife is also illegal.
Assisted opening knives may fallen under NY definition of a "gravity knife".

gunsmith
12-28-2009, 6:30 PM
use a knife, even in self defense, go to Rikers Island for 1 year mandatory (assuming you get caught).

about ten years ago a friend of mine killed a man in NYC with his large bowie knife.
it was ruled justifiable because it was 5 against one and they were beating him with baseball bats.

afaik ianal currently you are allowed to conceal a fixed or folder under 3 inches, if I could cite the penal code or law I would.
If you know better please do include which specific law you are reffering to.

I am aware that things change but I am certain a smallish blade like 2 or 3 inches is perfectly legal.

sreiter
01-09-2010, 1:55 PM
sorry for the late response - dont have the PC - but i was very good friends with 2 guys on special investigation units (nigerian gangs) - 1 of them was taught by the same knife fighting instructor as me (chris sayoc) - they referred to the law - no justification at all for using a knife -

bernard getz certainly did time for acting in self defense

again, the way they worded it was IF I USED IT EVEN IN SELF DEFENSE, not just possession with iirc is ok under 4"

GoodEyeSniper
01-09-2010, 6:12 PM
Now, it's been awhile since I've read anything. But I seem to remember NYC being really bad about interpreting what is a "gravity knife" and, basically, if the cop can hold the knife by the handle and flick it open, without touching the blade, it would be an illegal gravity knife.

So, even if you had some simple Buck folder, with a legal blade length, they might be able to get you on having a gravity knife, if the pivot is loose enough to have the blade flicked open by inertia.

I'd check over on bladeforums, they have a specific "knife law" section and there are usually NYC posts. But I would certainly not bring an assisted open knife with me to NYC. I don't like AO knives anyways, but that's beside the point :p

I'd probably bring a swiss army knife, or my little Opinel #6 and call it a day. Nothing with a pocket clip, at least, since that might give them some reason to check you out...

JDay
01-09-2010, 6:21 PM
I don't know how up to date this is.

http://knife-expert.com/ny.txt

NEW YORK CITY LAWS:

Courtesy: Alex Boriqua 11/23/1999
http://home.att.net/~a.boriqua/Recieved_letter.htm

Received from:

Office of the Queens District Attorney of Queens County
Queens criminal Courts Building
125-01 Queens Blvd.
Kew Gardens NY 11415

Cover letter:

As per your request the law strictly prohibits a person from
carrying any type of knife with a blade of 4" or over (Four) in
length. Enclosed is a copy (highlighted) of the statute.

Signed: Mary A. Moris A.D.A



Chap. 1 Public Safety 10-133
Historical Note: Formerly 436-5.1

10-133 Possession of knives or instruments.

A. Legislative findings. It is hereby declared and found that possession in public places, streets and parks of the city, of large knives is a menace to the public health, peace, safety and welfare of the people of the city; that the possession in public places, streets and parks of such knives has resulted in the commission of many homicides, robberies, maimings and assaults of and upon the people of the city; that this condition encourages and fosters the commission of crimes and contributes to juvenile delinquency, youth crime and gangsterism; that unless the possession or carrying in public places, streets and parks of the city of such knives without a lawful purpose is prohibited, there is danger of an increase in crimes of violence and other conditions detrimental to public peace, safety and welfare. It is further declared and found that the wearing or carrying of knives in open view in public places while such knives are not being used for a lawful purpose is unnecessary and threatening to the public and should be prohibited.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person to carry on his or her person or have in such person's possession, in any public place, street or park any knife which has a blade length of four inches or more.

C. It shall be unlawful for any person in a public place, street or park to wear outside of his or her clothing or carry in open view any knife with an exposed or unexposed blade unless such person is actually using suck knife for a lawful purpose as set forth in subdivision d of this section.

D. The provisions of subdivisions b and c of this sections shall not apply to (1) persons in the military service on the state of New York when duly authorized to carry or display knives pursuant to regulations issued by the chief of stall to the governor; (2) police officers and peace officers as defined in the criminal procedure law; (3) participants in special events when authorized by the police commissioner (4) persons on the military or other service of the United States, in pursuit of official duty authorized by federal law; or (5) any person displaying or in possession of a knife otherwise in violation of this section when such a knife (a) is being used for or transported immediately to or from a place where it is used for hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, picnicking or any employment, trade or occupation customarily requiring the use of such knife; or (b) is displayed or carried by a member of a theatrical group, drill team, military or para military unit or veterans organization, to from or during a meeting, parade or other performance or practice for such event, which customarily requires the carrying of suck knife or (c) is being transported directly to or from a place of purchase in such a manner as not to allow easy access to such knife while it is transported; or (d) is displayed or carried by a duly enrolled member of the Boy or Girl scouts of America or similar organization or society and such display or possession is necessary to participate in the activities of such organization or society.

E. Violation of this section shall be an offense punishable by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars or by imprisonment not exceeding fifteen days or by both such fine and imprisonment.


Case notes:
This section promotes a legitimate governmental objective and is not unconstitutionally vague or an improper exercise of the city's police power.------ People v Ortiz 125 Misc. 2d 318 [1984]

gunsmith
01-11-2010, 8:42 AM
sorry for the late response - dont have the PC - but i was very good friends with 2 guys on special investigation units (nigerian gangs) - 1 of them was taught by the same knife fighting instructor as me (chris sayoc) - they referred to the law - no justification at all for using a knife -

bernard getz certainly did time for acting in self defense

again, the way they worded it was IF I USED IT EVEN IN SELF DEFENSE, not just possession with iirc is ok under 4"


Bernie Goetze did time for unlaful possesion of a firearm, not for using it in Self Defense, I'm a native NY'er and was there at the time. He would have been set loose without charges if it was up to regular newyorkers.

gunsmith
01-11-2010, 5:05 PM
Bernie Goetze did time for unlaful possesion of a firearm, not for using it in Self Defense, I'm a native NY'er and was there at the time. He would have been set loose without charges if it was up to regular newyorkers.

They won't represent you when arrested, take legal advice from a lawyer. ... (& ppl on the innerwebs)

gunsmith
01-24-2010, 11:05 PM
hopefully uneventful ( self defense wise)

SmokinMr2
01-25-2010, 3:56 AM
Wife had to give up her Kershaw assisted opening knife flying into JFK :(
Under 3 inch blade...
http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=56&brand=kershaw

Roadrunner
01-25-2010, 6:44 AM
I've been to New York once , I will never go back there again.