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pidooma
11-30-2005, 8:20 AM
Looks like Beretta may be coming out with a new rifle called the Rx4, which looks to be based on the Benelli ARGO gas system used in the M1014 shotgun and will use AR mags. While the picture shows a pistol grip stock, looks like it has the potential to take a Cali-legal stock as well. Interesting...

A couple of links:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=412485

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=168379&highlight=rx4



http://www.armietiro.it/edisport/armi/Notizie.nsf/AllDocID/a06947fefce27378c12570c3004735e1/$FILE/Rx4_800.jpg

blacklisted
11-30-2005, 8:48 AM
Definately looks like it could take a standard stock...the back end looks similar to a shotgun. Ugly though :(

donger
11-30-2005, 9:02 AM
Sorry I have to say it...trigger.

Doesn't this chick work for Beretta?

82a1
11-30-2005, 9:22 AM
My Benelli M4 came with a standard stock and was easily reconfigured to pistol grip. I actually think that rifle wouldn't look too bad with a standard stock - hopefully they'd be willing to sell it that way.

rssslvr
11-30-2005, 9:24 AM
yeah a standard stock would look better

pidooma
11-30-2005, 9:26 AM
After reading through some of the threads on the other sites, it looks like it may be more based on the Benelli R1 rifle:

http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/r1-comfortech.tpl


Yeah, a little cringe-factor with the lack of trigger discipline but at least she's nice to look at.

Trempel
11-30-2005, 9:38 AM
Sorry I have to say it...trigger.

Doesn't this chick work for Beretta?
Probably. I saw a picture of the same woman with the new Benelli shotgun, with her finger on the trigger. :rolleyes:
Whether the rifle is good doesn't matter, because unless Beretta decides to produce it domestically, it won't be sold to civilians in the U.S. Of course it don't matter to us stuck in the ghetto that is California.

bwiese
11-30-2005, 9:53 AM
Whoa!


Looks like Beretta may be coming out with a new rifle called the Rx4, which looks to be based on the Benelli ARGO gas system used in the M1014 shotgun and will use AR mags. While the picture shows a pistol grip stock, looks like it has the potential to take a Cali-legal stock as well. Interesting..

Yes, interesting indeed. A nice conventional stock would make it the 223 version of an M1A (since this job's not adequately filled by Mini14 due to its poor accuracy and poor magazine situation).

Of course, it'd need a 16" bbl to be non-NFA - the pictured gun looks like it has a 14.5" bbl.

It's likely to be more than reasonably accurate given its heritage. And it's more than likely gonna have a chrome-lined barrel given Beretta chrome lines lots of its pistol and shotgun barrels...

Whether the rifle is good doesn't matter, because unless Beretta decides to produce it domestically, it won't be sold to civilians in the U.S.

Um, let's back up here...

That may be Beretta's choice, but broadly speaking, long guns (handguns have different rules) can be imported and sold to civvies if they are "suited for sporting purposes".

And Beretta's US distributors might make an evaluation that this is sellable comercially in proper "sporting" configuration. Look at the various stores selling Remington rifles (PSS, LTR, etc.) that come out of their LE line.

For US sales, they might have a regular thumbhole stock version (I think this escapes 922(r), and no flash hider. If it becomes something of a regular semiauto rifle a la an M1A w/o flash hider, I think it'd meet importability criteria.

After all, the Beretta CX4 Storm 9mm thumbhole-stock carbine is legal...

Or they can play the 10-or-less imported vs. domestic parts content game. Some of these parts may come out of Accokeek, MD - who knows?

Remember, you're also always gonna be using domestically-produced AR mags in this (rare exception of some Brit mags and German HK33? mags). So these US mags already count as 3 US "compliance parts"!

Of course it don't matter to us stuck in the ghetto that is California.


Not quite: if it makes it into US in commercial market, this is acquireable in CA.

Just provide a regular fixed non-pistol grip stock is attached and any flash hider is removed or replaced w/brake. It is NOT an assault weapon without pistol grip or flash hider. No preapproval needed, doesn't have to be on any approved list, either

I want one. Cancel the Remington 7615 ;)

Another pic:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=31949&stc=1&d=1133296743

Charliegone
11-30-2005, 9:58 AM
Yeah, now I want one too...gosh if you keep doing this my credit card is going to be maxed out soon.:D

PanzerAce
11-30-2005, 12:38 PM
hmmm, I dont know what it is about that rifle, but I personally think it looks better than some current rifles. Though I bet a regular stock would make it look even better. though it does have that 'un-PC' look to it as is...

pidooma
11-30-2005, 12:45 PM
Here's another picture from the thread on thehighroad.org that shows some of the accessories, which include a non-pistol-grip stock.


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32004&stc=1&d=1133385397

This definitely has my interest. Hope it does make it to the US market.

shopkeep
11-30-2005, 12:45 PM
Truely this is the most promising development I've seen in a while. This thing DEFINITELY has the capacity to accept a cali-legal stock. But what if it's also able to accept the non-pc shotgun stocks that are available to the public in PRK due to its benelli based rifle design? Anyhow even if they never initially manufactured a kal-legal stock, screw it just import it without a stock and get one rigged up later.

And speaking of benelli that semi-auto benelli rifle is gorgeous!

shopkeep
11-30-2005, 12:48 PM
By the way... that traditional shoulder stock in the picture with the rifle screams, "We're planning on selling this product to US civilians."

bwiese
11-30-2005, 12:51 PM
Truely this is the most promising development I've seen in a while. This thing DEFINITELY has the capacity to accept a Calif-legal stock. But what if it's also able to accept the non-pc shotgun stocks that are available to the public in PRK due to its benelli based rifle design?


Yup. Any fixed stock is legal as long as it's not a thumbhole stock.

It'd probably also behoove you to make sure it's a US-made stock so if Beretta is using some US parts for Federal 922(r) compliance issues, nothing gets changed.

Anyhow even if they never initially manufactured a kal-legal stock, screw it just import it without a stock and get one rigged up later.

True. For this rifle, the battle probably isn't California legality.

The real issue will be importation into US for regular sale, and getting it considered a 'sporting' firearm. This will involve removal of flash hider, night sights(s), bayo lugs, and adding a regular or thumbhole stock - but the thumbhole stock is not legal in CA.

donger
11-30-2005, 1:08 PM
Any price figures yet?

Forever-A-Soldier
11-30-2005, 1:19 PM
Can someone take that 2nd pic (link) where it shows the straight stock and "Photoshop" a potential Kali-Legal version and then post the pic? Christmas is coming soon, and we can all dream can't we??? :D

F.A.S.
(Gettin' Short!)

pidooma
11-30-2005, 1:26 PM
Can someone take that 2nd pic (link) where it shows the straight stock and "Photoshop" a potential Kali-Legal version and then post the pic? Christmas is coming soon, and we can all dream can't we??? :D

F.A.S.
(Gettin' Short!)

Here's a picture with three different stock options.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32008&stc=1&d=1133387140


Unfortuntately, I don't think this rifle is available for sale yet.

No idea what pricing for it is like.

PanzerAce
11-30-2005, 1:33 PM
By the way... that traditional shoulder stock in the picture with the rifle screams, "We're planning on selling this product to US civilians."


and the non standard cap mag (looks like a 10 rounder) tells me that they are not going to abandon the PRK (after all, what competition would they really have in here anyway other than the KelTec)

bwiese
11-30-2005, 1:39 PM
Thank you, pidooma, for link to pix of 3 configurations!!!

The middle one is California legal [other than the fact it appears to have a short barrel less than 16" long, putting it into NFA SBR territory.] I note these have no flash hider or brake attachment.

The middle one also seems to be importable as a sporting rifle, and appears not to conflict with 922(r) issues.

These also do seem to be standard Benelli shotgun buttstocks.

Clearly, this gun's coming to CA, folks. ;) Whee! Bet this'll be at the SHOT Show.

blacklisted
11-30-2005, 1:41 PM
If it does, I wonder how it will affect the sales of the SU-16. If it has a metal receiver, I would rather have it probably. It does look somewhat bulky though.

pidooma
11-30-2005, 1:51 PM
These also do seem to be standard Benelli shotgun buttstocks.



Wonder if the ComforTech stock will work on it to help tame that massive 5.56mm recoil. ;)

http://www.benelliusa.com/innovations/images/comfortech-airtouch.jpg

PanzerAce
11-30-2005, 2:19 PM
I sure hope it will, that 5.56 is a beast ;D

bwiese
11-30-2005, 2:23 PM
I sure hope it will, that 5.56 is a beast ;D

5.56 = beast? Hahaha

5.56 is a popgun...

Trempel
11-30-2005, 2:30 PM
If it does, I wonder how it will affect the sales of the SU-16.
That'll depend on the price and initial range reports. If they price this rifle in under $800, than I'd see Kel-Tec sales being threatened.

PanzerAce
11-30-2005, 2:31 PM
5.56 = beast? Hahaha

5.56 is a popgun...


that was sarcasm bill, notice the winking smily :rolleyes: :D

Stanze
11-30-2005, 2:33 PM
Looks very promising, although I personally had a Beretta 92FS pistol "slide retention part"-I don't know exactly what the part was called-crack on me from just closing the slide!, and a semi-auto Beretta shotgun action rendered inoperable right out of the box! Both times it was a pain getting the Beretta USA rep. to acknowledge the failure and arrange repair, so I'm a bit wary of Beretta...but, that does look more refined than a SU-16 and Mini-14.

Shame on her finger on the trigger ignorance.:eek:

HEUER
11-30-2005, 2:35 PM
Looks good. AR magazines are a plus. 2006 looking up!

shopkeep
11-30-2005, 2:54 PM
I don't see this rifle selling for any less than $1000+. For one, it would be the first major manufacturer to give the PRK a quality-made .223 semi-auto rifle with serious capabilities. For two, even if it is less than $1000 they can charge MORE in the PRK than they can in the free states for this rifle due to it being more unique here.

None-the-less... I AM BUYING ONE :D !!!

bwiese
11-30-2005, 3:21 PM
I don't see this rifle selling for any less than $1000+. For one, it would be the first major manufacturer to give the PRK a quality-made .223 semi-auto rifle with serious capabilities.

Well, the Benelli R1s are in the $900s. And those are in major calibers like 30-06, etc.

I'd bet you'll eventually be able to get an RX4 for $800ish. Heck some folks are charging $700+ish for Remington 7615 223 pumpguns.

Remember, none of the legal CA 223 non-boltgun rifles - KelTec Su16, Rem 7615 and Ruger Mini14 - have chrome-lined barrels. I'm pretty sure this Beretta will.

Gunner1
11-30-2005, 3:21 PM
While I am not the biggest Beretta fan we really need some more choices here in the peoples Republik. I will take two please.
As far as threatening the Keltec, that depends on price. If the Beretta sells in the under $650.00 range then Keltec may be affected. I think its great that some manufacturers have not forgotten those of use trapped behind enemy lines here in kalifornia.

Gunner

bu-bye
11-30-2005, 5:11 PM
I think its great that some manufacturers have not forgotten those of use trapped behind enemy lines here in kalifornia.

Gunner

Personally I don't think a company as big as them gives a rip. Its more that we got lucky that they are using a receiver that can take a Cali-OK stock. Either way its a welcome addition to the 3 semi 223 we can have. My guess for the price would be just under $1000. A company that big and well-known prices with the big boys. The nice think about the SU-16 is that KT is a small company and can afford to price low also with little machining need and more molding using the price in labor and materials goes down.

A major plus for this gun are the AR-15 mags. For us Cali guys who have a number of 30 rounders its a dream come true. The option to buy a rifle that can unload 30 rounds like in other free states even after the ban is great buying point. Its why many of us bought the Su-16. With the Federal AW ban now gone allowing the manufacturer of new mags I think we will see a lot more guns built to use AR mags. Why wouldn't you use a mag that can be found anywhere and almost everyone has? Designing a mag and tooling up to build it is just stupid if millions are already out there.

There are a few thing I dislike about this gun. One would be what looks to be a pencil barrel. Fine for light shooting but thats not what this gun looks to be made for. We don't want another Mini-14 pray and spray gun. Two, would be the cheezy front sight post. I think in this day in age its clear what people like and expect in sights. Even Kel-tec slapped one another after the A model sights LOL. They made up for it offering the B model sights to A model buyers and hit a homerun with the C/Ca model. If they really want to make people happy put a full length rail so people can install AR sights and even co-witness with a red dot.

I'd buy one though if it was priced in the $700 range. Its the best option we have so far.

bwiese
11-30-2005, 5:20 PM
Personally I don't think a company as big as them gives a rip. Its more that we got lucky that they are using a receiver that can take a Cali-OK stock. Either way its a welcome addition to the 3 semi 223 we can have. My guess for the price would be just under $1000. A company that big and well-known prices with the big boys.

After things settle out it'll likely be $700-$800 on Gunbroker...

A major plus for this gun are the AR-15 mags. For us Cali guys who have a number of 30 rounders its a dream come true... Designing a mag and tooling up to build it is just stupid if millions are already out there.

You betcha. The Cali 'truck gun' concept is back, too :)

There are a few thing I dislike about this gun. One would be what looks to be a pencil barrel. Fine for light shooting but thats not what this gun looks to be made for. We don't want another Mini-14 pray and spray gun.


Common misperception. Thinner bbls are not necessarily that inaccurate unless they get bent/ tweaked. For example, a thin-barrel AR will outshoot a Mini14 any day. Lotsa other things come into play for or against accuracy - like consistent bolt lockup, avoiding a reciprocating mass while bullet is in flight down the barrel, barrel not bound to frame, etc.

... would be the cheezy front sight post. I think in this day in age its clear what people like and expect in sights.

Yup. Aimpoints, Reflexes and ACOGs. ;) yes, they should have a top rail on the receiver - who knows, it may be drilled for one.

I'd buy one though it it was priced in the $700 range. Its the best option we have so far.

Yes. Even though a bit bulbous, I think this rifle may be light and handy with a regular CA-legal stock on it.

I want one.

Number 6
11-30-2005, 5:49 PM
Personally I don't think a company as big as them gives a rip. Its more that we got lucky that they are using a receiver that can take a Cali-OK stock.

There is A LOT of money to be made in California. Despite the draconian gun laws we are a very wealthy state with a lot of disposable income to spend on guns and other toys. Beretta is not stupid and if they can easily put a conventional stock on they will.

bwiese
11-30-2005, 5:53 PM
There is A LOT of money to be made in California. Despite the draconian gun laws we are a very wealthy state with a lot of disposable income to spend on guns and other toys. Beretta is not stupid and if they can easily put a conventional stock on they will.

Absolutely. CA gun market is still bigger than 10 other states', combined.

Beretta is a well-run company and has good distribution & presence.

They've also probably learned from their CX4 Storm experience about CA AW laws...

I'm really hot for this gun, esp as I'm betting it'll have a chrome-lined bbl in addition to AR mag support.

Just hope they make it somewhere around 1x9" twist - not 1x12" twist!!!

C.G.
11-30-2005, 6:23 PM
Absolutely. CA gun market is still bigger than 10 other states', combined.

Beretta is a well-run company and has good distribution & presence.

They've also probably learned from their CX4 Storm experience about CA AW laws...

I'm really hot for this gun, esp as I'm betting it'll have a chrome-lined bbl in addition to AR mag support.

Just hope they make it somewhere around 1x9" twist - not 1x12" twist!!!

Yeah, I probably would have bought the CX4 Storm if it were legal around here.

artherd
11-30-2005, 8:45 PM
Coooooool! I wonder if the barrel is free-floated? (hope so.) and where is the optic rail?

Pouchey
11-30-2005, 8:46 PM
Thank you to those who posted the alternate configs. Upon peeking the first image, I was on my way to making flip comments about Select Fire (stun or kill). To be honest, I still think it looks a bit goofy, but like the su-16, I'm sure it can grow on ya.

PanzerAce
11-30-2005, 8:52 PM
I think you can see the rails at the top of the configuration picture.

shopkeep
11-30-2005, 9:18 PM
It ain't about how it looks... it's about how it shoots. And if it has a chrome barrel and can shoot sub 1 MOA groups, we're getting some SERIOUS capability back behind the iron curtain. I hope the People's Democratic Socialist Party hasn't seen this rifle... surely they will want to stop the resistance from aquiring such a firearm.

eviioiive
11-30-2005, 9:57 PM
....must have.....

Stevil
11-30-2005, 11:46 PM
Ugly as Hell! Looks like something from the Aliens movie, still, I'll take one even if it is Italian. :D

gose
12-01-2005, 12:42 PM
I'll get ( at least ) one :)

bu-bye
12-01-2005, 2:30 PM
Since the receiver is based on a long action round the option for larger calibers might be in the future. How does 308 or 30-06 sound? :D

esskay
12-01-2005, 10:29 PM
That is one ugly SOB. Without question, I would buy one!! :D

Forever-A-Soldier
12-02-2005, 4:58 AM
Ok, here's my quick and amateur attempt @ a "photoshop" rendition of the RX4 in Kali-Legal config w/Pre-2000 owned Mag. http://www.hunt101.com/img/350263.jpg

F.A.S. Out

bu-bye
12-02-2005, 8:21 AM
I saw a pic somewhere with a longer barrel. Let me see if I can find it......

Got it. It might be 16 inches but looks more like 14. If they do intend to sell to civ's they will have to make a 16 model.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=31949&stc=1&d=1133296743

donger
12-02-2005, 8:46 AM
Yeah I think that's the 16 incher. Nice suppressor on the muzzle.

I don't like the looks of the stock, but I'm pretty sure it can be replaced with something more vertical.

It's definitely not the most attractive thing but I will probably end up buying one.

JWC6
12-02-2005, 9:44 AM
How about this pic?


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32008&stc=1&d=1133387140

C.G.
12-02-2005, 9:57 AM
How about this pic?


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32008&stc=1&d=1133387140

Good find. :) I may just get the one in the middle to compare it with my SU (if it becomes available in PRK).

Mad Mike
12-02-2005, 10:27 AM
I want one....BAD!!! :D

Nylo
12-02-2005, 10:48 AM
Sorry I have to say it...trigger.


This is a HUGE peeve with me, and Im always amazed how many don't! Reminds me of that damn photo op of Di Fi with the AK. Im still having nightmares from that one! Here is the photo to jog your memory.

KEEP YOUR DAMN FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER!

bwiese
12-02-2005, 10:59 AM
Hell yes, this'll be the new California AR, the 223 equivalent of an M1A (which is NOT a Mini14 due to the latter's terrible accuracy issues and crap mag problems).

And why futz with a FAB10? Or tolerate an SU16?

I'm pretty sure Beretta/Benelli will bring this in the USA. They got the R1 in. This uses domestically-produced magazines counting for 3 domestic parts (body tube, follower, floorplate); without a flash hider or pistol grip stock, RX4's indeed importable as a sporting arm under 922(r) for ordinary use.

This will likely have a chrome-lined barrel given Beretta/Benelli heritage.

The barrel appears to be a relatively quick change - esp if it's similar to its shotgun brethren from which is appears to be derived. This may lead to ease of bbl replacement by user, ease of carbine vs. rifle interconversions - and perhaps even allow aftermarket barrels being made for various purposes made (heavy 'match', mid-weight, other calibers, etc.)

The platform isn't _that_ funky looking and the action seems to have a really quick/tight lockup for accuracy (one of the things that makes even an ordinary AR a great accurate gun w/quality ammo). I also like the larger front grip area for my big hands - prob stays cool there too.

Cool!

bu-bye
12-02-2005, 11:06 AM
Goosebumps

Big goosebumps:D

PanzerAce
12-02-2005, 11:29 AM
This is a HUGE peeve with me, and Im always amazed how many don't! Reminds me of that damn photo op of Di Fi with the AK. Im still having nightmares from that one! Here is the photo to jog your memory.

KEEP YOUR DAMN FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER!

what whould have been really interesting in that pic is if it had been loaded and it had run away on here O_o, guess where the barrel would have climbed to before it hit the 75round limit.

bu-bye
12-02-2005, 11:50 AM
what whould have been really interesting in that pic is if it had been loaded and it had run away on here O_o, guess where the barrel would have climbed to before it hit the 75round limit.

you dream about that too!! :D

shopkeep
12-02-2005, 12:30 PM
dwest I love the sense of humor... nice Terminator refference there heh!

gose
12-02-2005, 1:10 PM
"The barrel appears to be a relatively quick change - esp if it's similar to its shotgun brethren from which is appears to be derived. This may lead to ease of bbl replacement by user, ease of carbine vs. rifle interconversions - and perhaps even allow aftermarket barrels being made for various purposes made (heavy 'match', mid-weight, other calibers, etc.)"

Damn, so you mean we might have to buy more than one? ;)

HEUER
12-02-2005, 3:46 PM
Hell yes, this'll be the new California AR, the 223 equivalent of an M1A (which is NOT a Mini14 due to the latter's terrible accuracy issues and crap mag problems).

And why futz with a FAB10? Or tolerate an SU16?

I'm pretty sure Beretta/Benelli will bring this in the USA. They got the R1 in. This uses domestically-produced magazines counting for 3 domestic parts (body tube, follower, floorplate); without a flash hider or pistol grip stock, RX4's indeed importable as a sporting arm under 922(r) for ordinary use.

This will likely have a chrome-lined barrel given Beretta/Benelli heritage.

The barrel appears to be a relatively quick change - esp if it's similar to its shotgun brethren from which is appears to be derived. This may lead to ease of bbl replacement by user, ease of carbine vs. rifle interconversions - and perhaps even allow aftermarket barrels being made for various purposes made (heavy 'match', mid-weight, other calibers, etc.)

The platform isn't _that_ funky looking and the action seems to have a really quick/tight lockup for accuracy (one of the things that makes even an ordinary AR a great accurate gun w/quality ammo). I also like the larger front grip area for my big hands - prob stays cool there too.

Cool!

If this rifle makes it to California it will be a big seller. The ARGOS system got very good reviews. This is huge!

C.G.
12-02-2005, 4:17 PM
If this rifle makes it to California it will be a big seller. The ARGOS system got very good reviews. This is huge!

I think I will hold on selling my SU-16A to get the CA model and wait for this one.

BigAL
12-02-2005, 5:01 PM
Hope it has a better mag release than the POS one on the Storm. I can't believe it took this long for a gunmaker to cobble something together from parts and technology (mostly shotgun) that was already available to make a CA rifle. Looks like this will be the best option for CA residents. No point for me though. I'm waiting for the FN SCAR.

Specter6A
12-09-2005, 10:05 AM
http://www.spectergear.com/rx4.jpg

What it might look like with a 16" barrel and conventional stock.

Specter6A
12-09-2005, 3:07 PM
http://www.spectergear.com/rx4-2.jpg

How about an RX-4 with 12.5" reduced LOP stock and a dot sight?

lazyman
12-09-2005, 6:33 PM
http://www.spectergear.com/rx4-2.jpg

am I the only one forcing myselft to like this gun:confused:

SLB
12-09-2005, 6:50 PM
Yes. :D

I can't wait to get one.

- N

Specter6A
12-09-2005, 7:47 PM
It's definitely ugly as a busted blister. But, then again, so are Glocks.

Kenshin
01-30-2006, 6:17 PM
Revive! How likely will this gun be in different calibers?

superhondaz50
03-03-2006, 4:39 PM
I was searching through the forums and came accross this thing. The middle would be CA ok, the top is not (telescoping stock) but the bottom pistol grip stock should be legal. Correct me if i'm wrong, but isnt it an AW only if "the pistol grip is located conspicuosly beneath the action of the weapon" This gun has a pistol grip located conspicuosly behind the action of the weapon, wouldnt this be lagal with the grip and a fixed stock?
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32008&stc=1&d=1133387140

C.G.
03-03-2006, 5:21 PM
I was searching through the forums and came accross this thing. The middle would be CA ok, the top is not (telescoping stock) but the bottom pistol grip stock should be legal. Correct me if i'm wrong, but isnt it an AW only if "the pistol grip is located conspicuosly beneath the action of the weapon" This gun has a pistol grip located conspicuosly behind the action of the weapon, wouldnt this be lagal with the grip and a fixed stock?
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32008&stc=1&d=1133387140

Only if you fix the magazine.

superhondaz50
03-03-2006, 5:34 PM
Even though the grip isnt under the receiver?

HEUER
03-03-2006, 5:37 PM
Even though the grip isnt under the receiver?


Yes, even though the grip isnt under the receiver

superhondaz50
03-03-2006, 5:40 PM
Could you help me out on why you cant have the grip. Thanks

C.G.
03-03-2006, 6:08 PM
Could you help me out on why you cant have the grip. Thanks

Read the FAQs: http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm

superhondaz50
03-03-2006, 7:55 PM
i've read that many times over. A pistol grip UNDER the receiver makes it an AW feature. On the RX4 with a fixed pistol grip stock, the pistol grip is not underneath the receiver, it is behind. Wouldnt that put it in the same class as... lets say a browning 1919a4 semit auto?

HEUER
03-03-2006, 8:05 PM
http://images.ztradingpost.com/Production/IMAGES%5CSuperPawn/items/00/01/00/00/20/b84320.jpg

This is a photo of a Ruger Mini 14 with a Factory Folding pistol Grip Stock (possible factory). This rifle is considered an assualt weapon under SB 23. Notice that the pistol grip is behind the reciever and below the reciever.

Let me do some research on the 1919a4...

HEUER
03-03-2006, 8:13 PM
http://home.comcast.net/~gunglossary/img/m1919a4.jpg

This seems to be placed behind and not that far below the reciever. I do not know too much about the 1919a4, but I know that it is belt fed (10 rounds) which is treated as a magazine by the CA DOJ. Someone here may have a better answer for you.

HEUER
03-03-2006, 8:27 PM
Thank you Ted.

SI-guru
03-03-2006, 8:34 PM
The problem with these PRK stock is they are always some after thoughts using a shotgun stock with less than ideal LOP and grip for carbine use. But I have already lined up some stock makers to custom build a stock for RX4 as soon as it hit the civilian market. Sample protos will be available by means of my Sage EBR. :D

HEUER
03-03-2006, 8:38 PM
Bill talked to the Berreta people at the SHOT show and he was told that Berreta plans to concentrate in LE sales first. It might be quite a while before we get to order them. :o

avidone
03-03-2006, 9:18 PM
I want one now.

superhondaz50
03-03-2006, 10:03 PM
Thanks for the help. I thought "below" meant the grip needed to actually be under the metal (or polymer) section of the receiver, and if it were rearward of the receiver it would be exempt.

colossians323
03-04-2006, 11:38 AM
Bill talked to the Berreta people at the SHOT show and he was told that Berreta plans to concentrate in LE sales first. It might be quite a while before we get to order them. :o

Lets face it, they will probably have to go through an ffl, as leo's are not military, in which case the ffl will start seeling to civi's, because there will be more bang for his buck in the civillian market. This is typically how it will work, especially after what happened with the Cal legal lowers, I can almost guarantee that this will be highly cal-marketed.