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NorCalMama
12-16-2009, 5:35 PM
So what is the CA law regarding how many "long guns" (as my mom puts it) a person can purchase within a 30 day period. She insists, that as with handguns, you can only purchase 1 rifle per 30 24 hours periods, unless it's a PPT. What is the law?

Thanks.

blikeandy
12-16-2009, 5:39 PM
Long tones you can 1,2,3,4.... So on in one month it doesn't
matter. Handguns if it's a new pistol only one a month,PPT
as many in a month

Gio
12-16-2009, 5:39 PM
As many as your wallet/purse can bleed out :D No limit to how many you can purchase on besides your CC or Cash Flow allows :43:

-Gio

NorCalMama
12-16-2009, 5:40 PM
btw, she got her info directly from people who work for the DOJ firearms division. Nice, huh?

Gio
12-16-2009, 5:41 PM
btw, she got her info directly from people who work for the DOJ firearms division. Nice, huh?

Hold on I have to pick myself off the floor from :rofl2: and stop crying from doing this too much too :laugh:

-Gio

Uriah02
12-16-2009, 5:44 PM
btw, she got her info directly from people who work for the DOJ firearms division. Nice, huh?

I would say :eek: but in reality it is more like :yawn:

CHS
12-16-2009, 5:47 PM
Long guns: As many as your wallet can afford, either from dealer inventory or PPT. Long guns more than 50 years old don't even have to go through an FFL here in CA.

Handguns: 1 per 30 24-hour periods from dealer inventory. As many as your wallet can afford for PPT's, but still only one per DROS, and ATF must be notified if you buy more than 1 in a 5-day period from the same dealer.

BTW, if your mom still doesn't believe you, then why did I sell *SEVEN* receivers to a guy just yesterday at the same time without the DROS software stopping me, nor getting a call from the DoJ? :)

professorhard
12-16-2009, 5:47 PM
The DROS software will accept 99 at once AFAIK but I'm sure there is a way around that to add more.

five.five-six
12-16-2009, 5:48 PM
there is the one truck bed limit, you can only buy as many as you can fit in your truckbed... unless you buy a bigger truck or make several trips

GrizzlyGuy
12-16-2009, 6:04 PM
btw, she got her info directly from people who work for the DOJ firearms division. Nice, huh?

LOL! There are 3 groups of people that you never want to ask about gun laws (if you want to get the correct answer):

1) The DOJ
2) Cops
3) People who work in gun stores

Hopi
12-16-2009, 6:08 PM
BTW, if your mom still doesn't believe you, then why did I sell *SEVEN* receivers to a guy just yesterday at the same time without the DROS software stopping me, nor getting a call from the DoJ? :)

Yep. I've *heard of a person* that has DROSd 12+ long guns on one day on only one DROS form....the story is that *he* would have gotten more but couldn't fit any more in the trunk of *his* car.....

NorCalMama
12-16-2009, 6:11 PM
LOL! There are 3 groups of people that you never want to ask about gun laws (if you want to get the correct answer):

1) The DOJ
2) Cops
3) People who work in gun stores

Eh hem, yeah, believe me, I know!!! LOL :p

Vtec44
12-16-2009, 6:19 PM
Bring back 2 brand new long guns and show her, after the 10-day waiting period of course. :D I have personally DROS'ed 4 long guns within 15 days and 3 long guns on 1 form.

five.five-six
12-16-2009, 6:38 PM
I did 3 pistols and one long gun last month





all ppt :p

thefifthspeed
12-16-2009, 6:40 PM
I just DROS'd 4 long guns this month, no problems.

Cokebottle
12-16-2009, 6:57 PM
BTW, if your mom still doesn't believe you, then why did I sell *SEVEN* receivers to a guy just yesterday at the same time without the DROS software stopping me, nor getting a call from the DoJ? :)
Okay... That's it...
I wanted a "bear" lower and was going to head down there today to get it after seeing a post yesterday afternoon about having "a few" and MAY be out by Saturday.... then 2 hours later seeing a post that they were gone and they're no longer on the site.

I want a name :toetap05: :D

Librarian
12-16-2009, 9:17 PM
Just for reference, here's the law on 1 in 30 days: PC 12072 (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/4/2/1/4/s12072) (c)
(6)No pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person shall be delivered whenever the dealer is notified by the Department of Justice that within the preceding 30-day period the purchaser has made another application to purchase a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person and that the previous application to purchase involved none of the entities specified in subparagraph (B) of paragraph (9) of subdivision (a).
And that doesn't apply to PPT (Except in Los Angeles ...)

tenpercentfirearms
12-17-2009, 5:38 AM
Your mom is wrong.

You know the interesting thing is you type in the number of long guns, but what is the numerical limit? I need to DROS myself some guns so I think I am going to see how many they will let me put. Over the phone the DOJ has always told me I can reduce the number, so I will just change my mind. I will let you know what it maxes out at and how long it takes the DOJ to come raise hell either thinking I just bought 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 long guns or that I screwed up their statistics.

WokMaster1
12-17-2009, 8:50 AM
OP, can you ask your mum to ask her DOJ contacts if they know what "2 weeks" mean?:D

NorCalMama
12-17-2009, 8:58 AM
OP, can you ask your mum to ask her DOJ contacts if they know what "2 weeks" mean?:D

Pardon me for having a blond moment, but huh?

383green
12-17-2009, 9:02 AM
You know the interesting thing is you type in the number of long guns, but what is the numerical limit?

See if it'll let you use an exponent, i.e. representing 250 as 2.5E2. :whistling:

NorCalMama
12-17-2009, 9:13 AM
Just for reference, here's the law on 1 in 30 days: PC 12072 (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/4/2/1/4/s12072) (c)

And that doesn't apply to PPT (Except in Los Angeles ...)

Thank you! I copied/pasted your post and sent it to her. My word isn't good enough, lol! :rolleyes:
And this isn't the first time she has insisted that people at DOJ firearms know the law and everything she has ever heard is it is 1 rifle and 1 handgun per 30 24 hour periods. I think that this is a beautiful illustration at the incompetence of our various government agencies so far as the field they are supposed to "specialize" in. *sigh*

paul0660
12-17-2009, 9:14 AM
LOL! There are 3 groups of people that you never want to ask about gun laws (if you want to get the correct answer):

1) The DOJ
2) Cops
3) People who work in gun stores

True dat!

nick
12-17-2009, 9:35 AM
Your mom is wrong.

You know the interesting thing is you type in the number of long guns, but what is the numerical limit? I need to DROS myself some guns so I think I am going to see how many they will let me put. Over the phone the DOJ has always told me I can reduce the number, so I will just change my mind. I will let you know what it maxes out at and how long it takes the DOJ to come raise hell either thinking I just bought 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 long guns or that I screwed up their statistics.

Breaking news: "A DoS attack has been perpetrated against the CA DOJ DROS software. At this time it is still unclear whether the software was poorly designed, or it had a failsafe designed to prevent a large terrorist organization from buying 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 long guns in California by crashing when its input buffer was overrun. It is also unclear when the attack was perpetrated, as the system outage came as a surprise to the CA DOJ employees, who were unaware that this system still existed and worked. "I was under the impression that there were no gun sales in California at this point," said Ignatius Chinn, the self-proclaimed spokesperson for CA DOJ.

The attack was traced to a small city of Taft, CA by browsing online forums, including the notorious gun lobby outlet Calguns.net.

Alison Merrilees, a CA DOJ official, had spoken to our correspondent on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to know anything relevant to her job. "This event once again shows that people out there cannot be trusted with gun purchases. Can you imagine 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 more long guns on the street? We aren't talking rivers of blood here, we're talking a Pacific Ocean full of blood of innocent criminals. Unfortunately, we were unable to find the perpetrators due to the budget cuts which forced us to lay off our interns, who were the only people authorized by the union to do any work around here. As such, and in order to prevent further heinous crimes like this, we recommend to expand the assault weapons ban to all long guns, including the 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 long guns in question here, as well as to anything shorter than 30". We will grandfather in the existing little people, of course".

The request for comment sent to the notorious Calguns.net murderous gun lobby outlet was returned by someone hiding behind the username Soldier415, apparently a jenkem dealer from Afghanistan, but it cannot be printed at this time due to FCC regulations."

NorCalMama
12-17-2009, 10:00 AM
Breaking news: "A DoS attack has been perpetrated against the CA DOJ DROS software. At this time it is still unclear whether the software was poorly designed, or it had a failsafe designed to prevent a large terrorist organization from buying 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 long guns in California by crashing when its input buffer was overrun. It is also unclear when the attack was perpetrated, as the system outage came as a surprise to the CA DOJ employees, who were unaware that this system still existed and worked. "I was under the impression that there were no gun sales in California at this point," said Ignatius Chinn, the self-proclaimed spokesperson for CA DOJ.

The attack was traced to a small city of Taft, CA by browsing online forums, including the notorious gun lobby outlet Calguns.net.

Alison Merrilees, a CA DOJ official, had spoken to our correspondent on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to know anything relevant to her job. "This event once again shows that people out there cannot be trusted with gun purchases. Can you imagine 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 more long guns on the street? We aren't talking rivers of blood here, we're talking a Pacific Ocean full of blood of innocent criminals. Unfortunately, we were unable to find the perpetrators due to the budget cuts which forced us to lay off our interns, who were the only people authorized by the union to do any work around here. As such, and in order to prevent further heinous crimes like this, we recommend to expand the assault weapons ban to all long guns, including the 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 long guns in question here, as well as to anything shorter than 30". We will grandfather in the existing little people, of course".

The request for comment sent to the notorious Calguns.net murderous gun lobby outlet was returned by someone hiding behind the username Soldier415, apparently a jenkem dealer from Afghanistan, but it cannot be printed at this time due to FCC regulations."

LMAO!!! :notworthy:

NorCalMama
12-17-2009, 10:02 AM
Just a note, I received a reply from my mother and she conceded she in fact was wrong. It was a bitter pill for her, but at least she could finally admit it. :D

Hunt
12-17-2009, 10:09 AM
LOL! There are 3 groups of people that you never want to ask about gun laws (if you want to get the correct answer):

1) The DOJ
2) Cops
3) People who work in gun stores

+10:eek:

Mikeb
12-17-2009, 2:16 PM
The request for comment sent to the notorious Calguns.net murderous gun lobby outlet was returned by someone hiding behind the username Soldier415, apparently a jenkem dealer from Afghanistan, but it cannot be printed at this time due to FCC regulations."

I suspected it was Soldier415's fault... I can't believe the democrats allowed him back in the country.
welcome home, you've been missed
Mike

pullnshoot25
12-17-2009, 6:25 PM
LOL! There are 3 groups of people that you never want to ask about gun laws (if you want to get the correct answer):

1) The DOJ
2) Cops
3) People who work in gun stores

Macadelic4 and I made it a point to tell prospective first-time gun buyers about NEVER listening to cops or gun store employees (which is sad, because I am now going to be a gun store employee)...

nick
12-17-2009, 6:29 PM
Macadelic4 and I made it a point to tell prospective first-time gun buyers about NEVER listening to cops or gun store employees (which is sad, because I am now going to be a gun store employee)...

:fud::bofud:!

U2BassAce
12-17-2009, 6:30 PM
there is the one truck bed limit, you can only buy as many as you can fit in your truckbed... unless you buy a bigger truck or make several trips

How many stripped lowers can fit in a long bed? :D

greed647
12-17-2009, 9:37 PM
The owner of PRK Arms told me he once put 999 on the dros form with no problems.

tenpercentfirearms
12-18-2009, 5:35 AM
LOL! There are 3 groups of people that you never want to ask about gun laws (if you want to get the correct answer):

1) The DOJ
2) Cops
3) People who work in gun stores

I concur. I will have people come in and tell me "well so and so gun shop did it this way". Wrong. Never assume because a dealer, even me, tells you it is legit, that it is legit. I explain to people there are about a million things I can do wrong with paperwork and it will never be discovered until I get audited. Just because DROS allows it, doesn't mean it is legal.

And to give example, you can DROS non-rostered handguns and claim they are rostered either by putting them as exempt, putting down the wrong model, or even just saying they are law enforcement officers when they are not. You can accept the wrong proof of residency. You can not do the FSD data properly or flat be providing non-FSD locks. The list can go on for a long time.

I am still wondering why I didn't open a dollar store.

CSACANNONEER
12-18-2009, 6:02 AM
LOL! There are 3 groups of people that you never want to ask about gun laws (if you want to get the correct answer):

1) The DOJ
2) Cops
3) People who work in gun stores

I used to say this when I was working behind the counter at a gun store. Customers would look at me funny but, then I'd tell them that they needed to read and understand the laws thenmselves because, they are ultimately responsible for their own actions. Most seemed to understand.

I am still wondering why I didn't open a dollar store.


I'll give you $1 a piece for each upper you have in inventory. Hell, I'll give you $1 a piece for anything which requires a DROS as well!

7222 Hawker
12-18-2009, 12:55 PM
btw, she got her info directly from people who work for the DOJ firearms division. Nice, huh?

I wish I could say I'm surprised.... Do you actually have to have ANY qualifications to work for DOJ? They don't even seem to have BASIC knowledge of California laws.

sevensix2x51
12-18-2009, 1:02 PM
i have 5 long guns currently in their ten day wait, at 2 different places. :D

Swatter911
12-18-2009, 1:15 PM
The request for comment sent to the notorious Calguns.net murderous gun lobby outlet was returned by someone hiding behind the username Soldier415, apparently a jenkem dealer from Afghanistan, but it cannot be printed at this time due to FCC regulations."

Aww man that's gross!!!


But funny!