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Digital_Boy
12-14-2009, 9:01 AM
If anyone can beat Apple at it's own game, Google would be top on my list of contenders.

http://www.engadget.com/photos/google-phone-nexus-one-exclusive-photos/2531511#2531525

glock_this
12-14-2009, 9:10 AM
yep, IF anyone, and I doubt anyone will, Google could be a contender.

I wonder what verbiage the piece of paper is covering?

the form factor and design is easy to mimc or improve... the fact the Google makes open source software THAT is the angle that they can use to attack Apple.

Digital_Boy
12-14-2009, 9:18 AM
the fact the Google makes open source software THAT is the angle that they can use to attack Apple.

Exactly! The iphone has some neat hardware features, but nothing really special in comparison to most other smart phones. I give apple props on their UI, but their (non) policy regarding apps for it really turn me off.

that and the fact that they're locked to ATT unless you want to risk your warranty by jailbreaking so you can use it on a network that doesn't suck rancid goat taint.

glock_this
12-14-2009, 1:25 PM
good Wired (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/google-phone-in-january-unlocked-thinner-than-iphone/) article

interesting quote "The phone will be sold online by Google itself, the AllThingsD reports."

bad news for me, and millions of others, "those hoping to get an iPhone-caliber phone on Verizon are out of luck. The Nexus will be a GSM phone, which means" - another iPhone blunder by VZW?

this also means another possible cool phone for AT&T - but funny thing there is they can hardly support the iPhone bandwidth wise.. now add another iPhone type phone data hog to their over burdened network??

264charlie
12-14-2009, 1:49 PM
Cool Thats for the update... Waiting for a good reason to drop the iPhone for a open platform.

Blackhawk556
12-14-2009, 2:06 PM
the only reason this is getting attention is because it's a google phone that's it. It is made by HTC which makes other android phones already. What about the droid?? I doubt this phone and the droid will be completely different phones and this one kill the iphone.

if you guys want a killer phone try one with WM 6.1
wait what??????????? :) lol

PolishMike
12-14-2009, 2:10 PM
My G1 running CyangenMod 4.2.8 is pretty slick already. I love being able to update and reflash my phone all the time.

glock_this
12-14-2009, 2:25 PM
the only reason this is getting attention is because it's a google phone that's it. It is made by HTC which makes other android phones already. What about the droid?? I doubt this phone and the droid will be completely different phones and this one kill the iphone.

if you guys want a killer phone try one with WM 6.1
wait what??????????? :) lol

big diff between this Android and the Droid is that the Google Android phone will be more open and not as locked down as VZW's Droid. Not that we will even be able to get this for VZW since is it GSM only, but point is, the Android will be more open source for developers while the Droid is more locked down since it is on VZW who is notorious for hamstringing the capabilities of phones so they do not have to support any more than they have to.

stormy_clothing
12-14-2009, 5:10 PM
This phone is not an apple killer it's a carrier killer which could help to bring about the resurgence of the iphone which is limited by att.

Suddenly now you are going to have a super powerfull 1ghz processor, super featured including I hope mini HDMI out and oled screen which will dramatically help with battery life open platform.

I'm not sure VZW didn't turn this down because this may not be the google phone it might just be "a" google phone. Also they have CDMA and I think google is eying the rollout of LTE with great interest and this chipset might not support it yet.

Google has hinted that the android people have seen is not the real android which many people assume means a future handset based around VOIP running android 2.5 which is in development while this phone is supposed to be running 2.1

stormy_clothing
12-14-2009, 5:10 PM
d/p

JDay
12-14-2009, 8:28 PM
good Wired (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/google-phone-in-january-unlocked-thinner-than-iphone/) article

interesting quote "The phone will be sold online by Google itself, the AllThingsD reports."

bad news for me, and millions of others, "those hoping to get an iPhone-caliber phone on Verizon are out of luck. The Nexus will be a GSM phone, which means" - another iPhone blunder by VZW?

this also means another possible cool phone for AT&T - but funny thing there is they can hardly support the iPhone bandwidth wise.. now add another iPhone type phone data hog to their over burdened network??

Why would you use AT&T? Their pricing is too high and their service sucks. The only reason people aren't using iPhones on T-Mobile is because the iPhone's 3G wont work on any network except AT&T (and Android is better anyway), other GSM phones aren't gimped out like this.

JDay
12-15-2009, 1:11 AM
This phone is actually the HTC Passion, it would appear that Google is doing exactly as they say which is having employees test advanced features and new ideas. I seriously doubt Google is going to start selling hardware.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/07/htc-passion-runs-android-on-3-5-inch-oled-and-snapdragon-in-veri/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/12/10-26-09htcpassion-230.jpg

FreedomIsNotFree
12-15-2009, 1:40 AM
big diff between this Android and the Droid is that the Google Android phone will be more open and not as locked down as VZW's Droid. Not that we will even be able to get this for VZW since is it GSM only, but point is, the Android will be more open source for developers while the Droid is more locked down since it is on VZW who is notorious for hamstringing the capabilities of phones so they do not have to support any more than they have to.

The Motorola Droid is a "Google Experience" device. VZW has not locked down any capability that the device inherently has. Nothing has been removed nor added in terms of VZW branding.

In regards to your assertion that the Android OS on the Droid is any different than any other Android OS because of VZW...simply untrue. Can you point to a single capability that the Android OS offers that VZW is "hamstringing"?

FreedomIsNotFree
12-15-2009, 1:52 AM
This phone is not an apple killer it's a carrier killer which could help to bring about the resurgence of the iphone which is limited by att.

Suddenly now you are going to have a super powerfull 1ghz processor, super featured including I hope mini HDMI out and oled screen which will dramatically help with battery life open platform.

I'm not sure VZW didn't turn this down because this may not be the google phone it might just be "a" google phone. Also they have CDMA and I think google is eying the rollout of LTE with great interest and this chipset might not support it yet.

Google has hinted that the android people have seen is not the real android which many people assume means a future handset based around VOIP running android 2.5 which is in development while this phone is supposed to be running 2.1

The Moto Droid currently has almost 1ghz of processing power between it's dual processors. An ArmŽ Cortex™ A8 processor 550 mHz as well as a PowerVR SGX GPU. The architecture on both is said to be top notch and quite speedy.

In regards to LTE, nothing to date has been developed for handsets. Because of the amount of power required to run on LTE, the technology is only currently viable with air cards that can rely on the laptop/netbook for its power. I've seen some testing and LTE is amazingly fast with steady speeds around 10-12 mbps with bursts up to 50 mbps. Unfortunately they are going to need to figure out the power management/reliance issues before the technology makes it to a hand held device.

JDay
12-15-2009, 2:18 AM
In regards to LTE, nothing to date has been developed for handsets. Because of the amount of power required to run on LTE, the technology is only currently viable with air cards that can rely on the laptop/netbook for its power. I've seen some testing and LTE is amazingly fast with steady speeds around 10-12 mbps with bursts up to 50 mbps. Unfortunately they are going to need to figure out the power management/reliance issues before the technology makes it to a hand held device.

LTE isn't aimed at handsets, its aimed at mobile computing devices. I cant see anyone needing LTE speeds on their mobile phone unless they wish to tether it to their notebook, in which case they can use a USB cable and keep the handset charged.

FreedomIsNotFree
12-15-2009, 1:54 PM
Wow. Not sure who told you LTE wasn't headed to handsets but that is completely inaccurate. I've sat in on the actual performance tests of LTE and have the actual technology roadmap in my possession. LTE is absolutely coming to handsets once the power issues are addressed.

glock_this
12-15-2009, 2:34 PM
The Motorola Droid is a "Google Experience" device. VZW has not locked down any capability that the device inherently has. Nothing has been removed nor added in terms of VZW branding.

In regards to your assertion that the Android OS on the Droid is any different than any other Android OS because of VZW...simply untrue. Can you point to a single capability that the Android OS offers that VZW is "hamstringing"?

if what you say is true, it would go contrary to VZWs history of determining what can come on the phone - apps wise + what THEY require they want on the phone + their history of hamstringing phones so as to minimize their support efforts.

Google the topic, it is pretty well known they limit the capabilities of phones, or force them to put on a specific VZW modified OS or select software, prior to allowing them into their inner circle. This was seen a lot in the Palm phone line.

glock_this
12-15-2009, 2:35 PM
Why would you use AT&T? Their pricing is too high and their service sucks. The only reason people aren't using iPhones on T-Mobile is because the iPhone's 3G wont work on any network except AT&T (and Android is better anyway), other GSM phones aren't gimped out like this.

I missed the part where I said I would use ATT. I never would. Hence, sticking with VZW as much as I am an Apple fan and love the iPhone.

Jicko
12-15-2009, 2:36 PM
Apple still have the patent on the "multi-touch" zoom, rotate, etc...

*sigh*

That's a good one...

FreedomIsNotFree
12-15-2009, 2:42 PM
I agree that historically VZW has had a bad track record with their branding and controls over feature sets but that is a thing of the past.

All PDA's now come with little to no branding and wifi enabled. I give credit to big red for recognizing past wrongs and fixing them.
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In regards to the android OS, it hasn't been touched one bit.

glock_this
12-15-2009, 2:51 PM
I agree that historically VZW has had a bad track record with their branding and controls over feature sets but that is a thing of the past.

All PDA's now come with little to no branding and wifi enabled. I give credit to big red for recognizing past wrongs and fixing them.
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In regards to the android OS, it hasn't been touched one bit.

okay okay... I will digress slightly on knowing if the Android OS is gimped out or not as I do not own it and have not researched that fact per se, I made a pretty reasonable assumption that tactic of theirs is still in play today.

BUT, I do not give big red to much credit yet as they (1) balked on the iPhone (2) have a :cuss: overall selection of phones - smart phones especially - and make no bones about the fact they do not care about cool phones, but only care about the network. well, the network is solid it seems, so time to start caring about the phone options and (3) no Android for them and (4) their pricing and plan options blow. Several companies offering such better deals: roll over minutes, pricing, plan options, rates, etc - VZW never seems to play ball in better pricing when others are giving more for the money.

I am a 10+ year Palm user and use a Centro now. The Pre came out and VZW is suppose to get it in early 2010. Well, with 10+ years I have 10+ years of legacy data I want to carry forward as I have through 5 different Palm variations.. well, we will see if the rumors are true. If so, I might go that way and see how the rumored VZW iPhone goes as that is what I want.. but I will not leave VZW as their coverage and service are always great.

FreedomIsNotFree
12-15-2009, 3:10 PM
VZW doesn't have android phones? They currently sell the top two android based devices. The Droid and the Eris.

In regards to their pricing, yes they are the most expensive but AT&T has virtually the same pricing in regards to voice and data plans. A big plus with them is network quality and coverage.

The fact that they turned down the iPhones was mainly due to huge concessions that Apple wanted in terms of data revenue. Whether or not that was a smart decision is debatable.

At the end of the day end users have the option of choosing whichever carrier works best for them. And that's how it should be.

FreedomIsNotFree
12-15-2009, 3:13 PM
Pinch zoom is supported by the android 2.0 OS. The dolphin browser currently uses it. Its not a solely iPhone capability.

glock_this
12-15-2009, 3:18 PM
VZW doesn't have android phones? They currently sell the top two android based devices. The Droid and the Eris

I was talking the actual Google Android... which won't be a VZW phone

The fact that they turned down the iPhones was mainly due to huge concessions that Apple wanted in terms of data revenue. Whether or not that was a smart decision is debatable.

But it was also said that Apple couldnt hang with the software and OS input that VZW wanted.. i.e., gimp the phone

JDay
12-15-2009, 3:27 PM
Wow. Not sure who told you LTE wasn't headed to handsets but that is completely inaccurate. I've sat in on the actual performance tests of LTE and have the actual technology roadmap in my possession. LTE is absolutely coming to handsets once the power issues are addressed.

I didn't say it wasn't, I said that LTE is aimed more at people who use mobile broadband on their notebooks and people who live in areas that don't have broadband service.

JDay
12-15-2009, 3:31 PM
if what you say is true, it would go contrary to VZWs history of determining what can come on the phone - apps wise + what THEY require they want on the phone + their history of hamstringing phones so as to minimize their support efforts.

Google the topic, it is pretty well known they limit the capabilities of phones, or force them to put on a specific VZW modified OS or select software, prior to allowing them into their inner circle. This was seen a lot in the Palm phone line.

Verizon joined the Open Handset Alliance over two years ago. They have been allowing the use of non-Verizon branded handsets that had all features for about the same amount of time.

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2007/12/05/verizon-embraces-googles-open-handset-alliance/

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/verizon-wireless-opens-network-to-any-apps-any-device-in-2008/

JDay
12-15-2009, 3:32 PM
Apple still have the patent on the "multi-touch" zoom, rotate, etc...

*sigh*

That's a good one...

Just root your android phone or flash a EU firmware to it to unlock that feature.

JDay
12-15-2009, 3:39 PM
I was talking the actual Google Android... which won't be a VZW phone

Android is an OS and set of hardware specifications not a phone. I also seriously doubt Google is going to start offering a handset. The one that they have been giving out to their employees is an HTC handset (HTC Passion). Google has also stated many times that they have no plans to develop or sell phones or hardware. This is just all hype.

glock_this
12-15-2009, 3:48 PM
yes, I know that Android is an "OS" and yes I knew that the actual Google phone itself is an HTC.. I was big picture talking, I assumed we all knew that here.

but I could have sworn I read that Google does plan too sell this phone direct - and you pick an applicable provider from a dorp down when you buy, no?

FreedomIsNotFree
12-15-2009, 3:59 PM
There is no need to root your android phone to get pinch zoom capability. Its already there in the OS. It just needs to be written into the software. The Dolphin browser utilizes that functionality now.

FreedomIsNotFree
12-15-2009, 4:17 PM
Word is Googlers does plan to sell the device themselves but at this stage of the game all of those type of decisions can change rapidly. For example, an unsubsidized phone would run close to $600. Not too many people want to pay that. They want a carrier to subsidize the cost when you sign a contract.

stormy_clothing
12-15-2009, 4:41 PM
I didn't say it wasn't, I said that LTE is aimed more at people who use mobile broadband on their notebooks and people who live in areas that don't have broadband service.

Long Term Evolution is just what it says roadmap for future growth - the mini HDMI out points to the possibility of streaming HD video from say net-flix over the VZ network - this is going to happen as is a shift to VOIP - Wi-Max LTE and HSDPA + all are being heavily geared toward the future of mobile torrents ect.

Or how about storage they has SSD drives over 2tb now that are smaller than an iphone and could store hundreds of HD movies - or playstation 4 portable ect.

JDay
12-15-2009, 6:52 PM
yes, I know that Android is an "OS" and yes I knew that the actual Google phone itself is an HTC.. I was big picture talking, I assumed we all knew that here.

but I could have sworn I read that Google does plan too sell this phone direct - and you pick an applicable provider from a dorp down when you buy, no?

You read a rumor that Google plans to sell that phone direct. If you don't believe me show me the Google press release.

JDay
12-15-2009, 6:59 PM
Or how about storage they has SSD drives over 2tb now that are smaller than an iphone and could store hundreds of HD movies - or playstation 4 portable ect.

Okay now that's just funny. Have you seen the 1TB SSD drives? They take up two PCI-E bays. They cost about $4700 for a low end one, the high end ones go for over $6000. These are made by combining 4 256gb SSD drives and a raid controller onto a PCI-E board.

http://www.itechnews.net/2009/04/26/ocz-z-drive-pci-express-ssd/

http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ocz-z-drive-pci-express-ssd.jpg

ETA: The mobile providers also do not want people using bandwidth intensive programs, it cuts into their profit margins. Just look at the transfer limits Sprint, Verizon and others place on the mobile broadband plans.

Look Wat I kAn DO !
12-15-2009, 10:27 PM
Word is Googlers does plan to sell the device themselves but at this stage of the game all of those type of decisions can change rapidly. For example, an unsubsidized phone would run close to $600. Not too many people want to pay that. They want a carrier to subsidize the cost when you sign a contract.

There was no official word on them selling it, i been following the news articles on the nexus , but no one can confirm if there going to sell it or not. If your in the know let us know...lol:D. Im waiting for the HTC Bravo, i like android but i love WM .

stormy_clothing
12-15-2009, 11:12 PM
Okay now that's just funny. Have you seen the 1TB SSD drives? They take up two PCI-E bays. They cost about $4700 for a low end one, the high end ones go for over $6000. These are made by combining 4 256gb SSD drives and a raid controller onto a PCI-E board.

ETA: The mobile providers also do not want people using bandwidth intensive programs, it cuts into their profit margins. Just look at the transfer limits Sprint, Verizon and others place on the mobile broadband plans.

post fail

Have you seen 1tbssd drives that don't suck ? apparently tis not so - I don't have the new 2tb version pics handy but they are slightly smaller

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gHLi5No8dSY/SWzoDNKEhJI/AAAAAAAACEc/0XbYYULtF2k/s720/PureSilicon-Launches-Nitro-Worlds-First-1TB-SSD.jpg

these arent f/s for individuals yet but next year they will be sub 1K

even the same company has 3.5in drives that are half the cost now 2200

http://nexus404.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads2/2009/08/ocz-colossus-ssd.jpg

Carriers know full well mobile torrents are going to increase, our company creates billing software and we are constantly adding new rate codes for data charges for our customers who included ATT in the islands

Oh wait found one from Sony - New pricing for these will be set at the CES show next month

http://www.gadzooki.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/sony-memory-stick-xc-354x230.jpg

JDay
12-15-2009, 11:26 PM
post fail

Have you seen 1tbssd drives that don't suck ? apparently tis not so - I don't have the new 2tb version pics handy but they are slightly smaller

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gHLi5No8dSY/SWzoDNKEhJI/AAAAAAAACEc/0XbYYULtF2k/s720/PureSilicon-Launches-Nitro-Worlds-First-1TB-SSD.jpg

These were announced back in January and have yet to come to market, vaporware.

http://www.markstechnologynews.com/2009/01/puresilicon-nitro-worlds-first-1tb-ssd.html


http://www.gadzooki.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/sony-memory-stick-xc-354x230.jpg

Memory stick? You've gotta be kidding me, they've been trying to get people to use those for years. Nobody wants them because they are proprietary. Looking at the spec sheet for these my standard SATA-II drives are much faster. These are not going to catch on.

http://www.sonyinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/xcspec2.png

glock_this
12-16-2009, 7:56 AM
You read a rumor that Google plans to sell that phone direct. If you don't believe me show me the Google press release.

yes, yes of course.. as we all know in this technology game, rumors abound, final products and specs change, specifics get altered, etc. right now there is a lot of speculation and assumption we are all working on concerning bits and pieces of info. time will tell.

so, I ask you, show me the press release by Google that says they do NOT plan to sell direct :) as I can show many sources that say they will

"Despite previously saying that it was not interested in selling its own piece of mobile hardware, Google is moving forward with its own smart phone dubbed Nexus One, which is set for release early next year."

"It will also be a device sold directly to consumers,"

"The Wall Street Journal, New York Times and TechCrunch.com said the phone will be the first phone completely designed by Google and branded entirely with its name. The phone, which will be built by HTC, will be sold directly from Google and won't be tied to a carrier"

JDay
12-16-2009, 11:53 AM
yes, yes of course.. as we all know in this technology game, rumors abound, final products and specs change, specifics get altered, etc. right now there is a lot of speculation and assumption we are all working on concerning bits and pieces of info. time will tell.

so, I ask you, show me the press release by Google that says they do NOT plan to sell direct :) as I can show many sources that say they will

"Despite previously saying that it was not interested in selling its own piece of mobile hardware, Google is moving forward with its own smart phone dubbed Nexus One, which is set for release early next year."

"It will also be a device sold directly to consumers,"

"The Wall Street Journal, New York Times and TechCrunch.com said the phone will be the first phone completely designed by Google and branded entirely with its name. The phone, which will be built by HTC, will be sold directly from Google and won't be tied to a carrier"

Google doesn't care about hardware. Google makes software—fantastic, awesome, world-changing software. That is pretty much all it does. I don't mean that as criticism; Google's obsession with software is one of its greatest strengths. From its inception, Google has focused on bringing amazing code to people all over the world, across all devices. Most of its products run on the Web and can be accessed on any computer or phone on the planet. Even its non-Web software shows no bias toward any single platform: Chrome, its Web browser, runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux. Even though it makes a rival phone OS, Google offers several apps for the iPhone—in fact, Google would make a lot more iPhone apps if only Apple would let it.

Google's platform independence isn't meant as altruism—it's good strategy. The company gets the vast bulk of its revenue from advertising. Thus Google has no business reason to care whether I got on the Web using an iPhone, a Droid, a BlackBerry, or a Windows 7 desktop—all it cares about is that I got on the Web at all and that I stay on the Web all day, every day.

But all that will have to change if Google gets into the hardware business. How do you market a phone? By promising that it will do things that no other phone can do. In other words, for the Google Phone to be truly stellar, Google would have to imbue it with exclusive features—violating the core Google principle of platform independence.

Full article here (http://www.slate.com/id/2238563/).

glock_this
12-16-2009, 12:54 PM
yeah yeah yeah

we can Google articles back and forth and post them, I posted my quotes, you posted yours.. in the end, neither of us knows shizzzz

ilbob
12-16-2009, 2:10 PM
It would surprise me not at all that google is just trolling by having a few pieces of hardware out there. It seems unlikely they will want to have anything to do with selling hardware. Just not their thing.

stormy_clothing
12-16-2009, 2:17 PM
These were announced back in January and have yet to come to market, vaporware.

Memory stick? You've gotta be kidding me, they've been trying to get people to use those for years. Nobody wants them because they are proprietary. Looking at the spec sheet for these my standard SATA-II drives are much faster. These are not going to catch on.

Again post fail - those are not available to the public probably since all there orders are going to the military at this point, as stated but the technology will be probably with little warning from a phone company like apple or in the next playstation and when you can fit a SATA-II drive into a iphone lmk

And FYI since you read the literature you'd notice they are compatible with non magic gate SD drives which are everywhere including the micro versions in my cellphone which are also made by san disk which will be next to cross the TB barrier.

JDay
12-16-2009, 3:00 PM
Again post fail - those are not available to the public probably since all there orders are going to the military at this point, as stated but the technology will be probably with little warning from a phone company like apple or in the next playstation and when you can fit a SATA-II drive into a iphone lmk

And FYI since you read the literature you'd notice they are compatible with non magic gate SD drives which are everywhere including the micro versions in my cellphone which are also made by san disk which will be next to cross the TB barrier.

Umm, that 1tb drive was stated to be going on sale in Q3 of this year which has not happened. They are also a good deal slower than other SSD drives that are on the market. FTA.

Available in early 2009

pureSilicon has begun sampling its Renegade SSD units on a limited basis to
select customers, with shipments expected to commence in the first quarter
of 2009. The Nitro Series SSDs will be available in Q3 2009, pricing TBD.
For more information about the pureSilicon Nitro or Renegade Series SSD or
to order samples, please contact oem@puresi.com.

There also hasn't been any news on these drives since January.

The 2tb memorystick is not on sale anywhere and IS NOT a SSD drive (its a flash card, there is a difference) and it is slow as hell. You also cannot put a SATA-II drive into an iPhone because of the size difference, the controller alone would make the phone much larger. These also will not work in an SD card slot (having magicgate ensures that), they're backwards compatible with other memorystick slots. You also wont be seeing cards anywhere near this size for years. Maybe you should actually read up on this stuff before posting?

Update: There seems to be some confusion amongst the Internet about this story. A 2 TB maximum capacity doesn’t mean that you will see a 2 TB Memory Stick XC next year. That is probably years away – however, it does open the door for 64GB, 128GB, etc; a natural progression to the 2 TB limit is to be expected.

for2nato
12-20-2009, 9:14 PM
i have a htc magic with qtek port of hero and it is great. the only thing thats better on the iphone is the fluidness of the ui. the overall experience is smoother on the iphone. but the os and everything else is better on my droid phone. and the market is growing at an alarming rate for android. so apple has some definite competition here. work out some of the bugs and its over for apple

JDay
12-20-2009, 9:39 PM
i have a htc magic with qtek port of hero and it is great. the only thing thats better on the iphone is the fluidness of the ui. the overall experience is smoother on the iphone. but the os and everything else is better on my droid phone. and the market is growing at an alarming rate for android. so apple has some definite competition here. work out some of the bugs and its over for apple

The 2.1 Android update makes the UI much more responsive from what I hear. It'll be out next month.

glock_this
12-30-2009, 8:16 PM
You read a rumor that Google plans to sell that phone direct. If you don't believe me show me the Google press release.

sooo.. Dec 29th

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/29/nexus-one-google-droid/

"They don’t seem to care that they’re potentially alienating their existing mobile partners by bringing their own phone, that they will sell themselves, to market. "

and

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/12/29/google-nexus-one-sold-directly-and-only-by-google-officially-supported-by-t-mobile/

"but it will be pushing forward with its own “flagship” device by selling it directly to consumers. "

and

screenshots & more details of possible direct sales here (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/rumor-google-nexus-one-530-unlocked-180-with-plan/)

so maybe my reported "rumors" were.. uh... true :) stay tuned until the 5th

dragonbait1a
01-02-2010, 8:45 AM
Assuming that the rumors are true...

Directly selling unlocked open handsets isn't going unseat the iPhone or Droid. These are in direct competition with the major differential being carrier and Apple vs opensource. They both cost around 200$ with a contract and are much more mainstream then the new phone.

The new phone is being mainly marketed at early adopter, tech savvy person who wants to truly own the phone. It has a Tmobile subsidy available but won't be sold in Tmobile stores. It's not an iphone or Droid competitor, its a niche phone for people who strongly believe in open source.

Again all of this is based on the rumors being true. With internet sources multiple sources means nothing, they all copy and repaste.

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Look Wat I kAn DO !
01-02-2010, 10:45 PM
I do like the 1g processor. I don't know if it's going to make me sell my TP2 and buy the Nexus. I will find out on Tuesday.

glock_this
01-05-2010, 10:53 AM
for the nonbelievers... looks like my reported "rumors" where correct :)

http://live.gizmodo.com/

you CAN and will be buying the Google Nexus direct "Through a Google web store."

Through the web store you can buy a phone without service, or with service from a partner. Not only that, they plan to add more devices, like phones from Motorola, to their web store. And add more countries. AND, Verizon and Vodafone agreed to join the “program”. Verizon is coming for Nexus One in Spring 2010!

woot woot

VIOLA: http://www.google.com/phone/

RawImpact
01-05-2010, 5:25 PM
HTC has always been better than the eye-candy iphone in just about every way...

I wont be surprised if google knocks it out though, the iphone isn't exactly new. I am glad manufacturers are trying to surpass the iphone rather then trying to match it like most manufacturers in the past year.

odysseus
01-05-2010, 8:44 PM
As I am in the market and not in any contract, I am looking at this with reserved interest. The phone looks great, but the plan is locked with T-Mobile right now with a 500min, unlimited data, 2 year contract $80mnth, but no family plan on that.

Unlocked open GSM is not badly priced, but then it will not work on ATT or Verizon 3G networks it seems, and Verizon is not GSM so it seems there will be a Nexus One coming CDMA? That's a no go too.

Agggg...

JERK
01-05-2010, 9:24 PM
Starting in Spring 2010, Verizon and Vodafone will also support the Nexus One device.
It might be worth it to wait it out.

odysseus
01-05-2010, 9:25 PM
Starting in Spring 2010, Verizon and Vodafone will also support the Nexus One device.
It might be worth it to wait it out.

Yes that's the thing though, Verizon models will be different, in that they are CDMA and not GSM?

Look Wat I kAn DO !
01-05-2010, 11:20 PM
Yes that's the thing though, Verizon models will be different, in that they are CDMA and not GSM?

If you want a cdma & gsm nexus you will have to wait. HTC already said it was working on one. If you want a cdma & gsm smart phone now then i recommend this phone Good smart phone (http://www.htc.com/us/products/touch-pro2-verizon)

I have it and i love it. It does run windows mobile and people love it or hate it, try it out. My phone is unlock to use any sim card and it works great on a gsm network.

odysseus
01-06-2010, 2:09 AM
If you want a cdma & gsm nexus you will have to wait. HTC already said it was working on one. If you want a cdma & gsm smart phone now then i recommend this phone Good smart phone (http://www.htc.com/us/products/touch-pro2-verizon)

I have it and i love it. It does run windows mobile and people love it or hate it, try it out. My phone is unlock to use any sim card and it works great on a gsm network.

Actually no, I don't want CDMA. I would like a Open GSM with 3G that I can use not just on T-Mo.

glock_this
01-06-2010, 7:30 AM
Actually no, I don't want CDMA. I would like a Open GSM with 3G that I can use not just on T-Mo.

if you read earlier in this thread - IIRC - or Google it, apparently the other big "rumor" is that a dual band iPhone is on the way. who knows for sure.

But for a fact we know Qualcomm has a dual band chip.. but what smart phones it will make it into in the future is not totally clear just yet - that is, will it make it into an iPhone or the next iteration of the HTC Android (as it was talked about yesterday at the Android press conference and Google said they are actively interested in that arena).

FreedomIsNotFree
01-06-2010, 1:18 PM
CDMA devices don't need to be "unlocked". They can be activated on any CDMA network as long as the provider allows the activation.

The specs have not been announced yet, but I would bet the VZW version of the Nexus One is a quad band device. 2 CDMA bands and 2 GSM bands. Unfortunately, those two GSM bands will not work on domestic GSM networks...they will work on the European/global GSM bands.

As to the Apple iPhone...we won't likely see an "iPhone Killer". No single device will dominate the iPhone. What we will see is the slow progression of alternative devices, such as those that run Android. Death by a thousand slices so to speak. And with AT&T announcing recently that they plan to release 5 new Android devices in 2010, Apple has got to be on their heels a bit.

Satex
01-06-2010, 8:15 PM
This is no big breakthrough. Google hasn't changed the rules since they are playing the same game. They are charging an arm and a leg for the contract-less phone, and the phone companies like ATT are still hitting you with a +$30 fee if they detect you have a smartphone.

In order to shake up the market, Google needs to do something that will break the rules the big players live by.

Google has been the poster child for fads, and aside for a search engine, and google maps, they haven't come out with much of anything that really changed the marketplace.

FreedomIsNotFree
01-06-2010, 11:28 PM
This is no big breakthrough. Google hasn't changed the rules since they are playing the same game. They are charging an arm and a leg for the contract-less phone, and the phone companies like ATT are still hitting you with a +$30 fee if they detect you have a smartphone.

In order to shake up the market, Google needs to do something that will break the rules the big players live by.

Google has been the poster child for fads, and aside for a search engine, and google maps, they haven't come out with much of anything that really changed the marketplace.

What if that $30 data plan, required of most smart phones by wireless providers, allowed you to make unlimited voice calls over the data network?

That definitely breaks the rules the big wireless providers live by and Google Voice just may be the vehicle that makes the service dependable and widely used.