RKBA Tactics and Why Did no one tell the Yolo Sportsmen?

[shopkeep]

OK so I was down at the Yolo Sportsman's association this morning turning their cardboard targets into swiss cheese with my SOCOM-16 and sighting in my M-1 Carbine for some bunny blasting. So I mention RBKA to the Range Masters and guess what: They told me they had never heard of it but said that if the petitions were there (which they techinically can't be until the 21st as I understand it), lots of people would sign.

I also came upon the idea that on College Campuses, although most students will be hostile, there ARE Republicans clubs. When I was at UC Davis I was involved in political clubs and got involved with the SB-23 hearing and Recallthegovernor.org through that venue. These could be easy signatures to tap into because college kids have _FOREVER_ to spend on politics and ABSOLUTELY LOVE politics so we could pick up some sigs that way. Again this isn't going to be a HUGE new source because probably at least 85% are hostile to our cause. But heck why not drop a few off at local colleges at the Republican clubs there.

Also, if Prop H ends up catching enough limelight with civil rights groups and they come in that could present an angle to go after some more moderate liberals and others who may have not normally signed.

[blacklisted]

At my community college, there are no moderate liberals. There are always liberal petitioners on campus.

There are some pro-gun people there though. I saw someone with a pro RKBA hat on once (that's the extent of what I have seen).

I was in the library and I found a book someone had left out "Gun Rights in America" or something similar, a pro-gun book.

I'm afraid a RKBA petition would get you laughed right out off the campus at many campuses in this state today. It's a sad fact, but I agree that we need to try and reach moderate college students.

I registered to vote with one of these liberal petitioners, and the first thing he did was check which party I checked on the form. Luckily for me I selected "declined to state", or I bet the application would have been tossed out.

On a side note, I go to Ohlone College. Some students from my college were with those who protested Powell's visit to De Anza. A campus newspaper article mentioned that three students were battered by the police, and an observer was quoted as saying the police force reminded him of a "Roman Legion" with an air of "authority". I saw a picture of the riot police, and while they appeared to get the job done, they were far from a Roman Legion in terms of physical fitness and impressive formation.

[jnojr]

So I mention RBKA to the Range Masters and guess what: They told me they had never heard of it

Partly because so few people are volunteering. There are ~600 members of CalGuns.net, and not even a dozen have even expressed any degree of interest.

There are volunteers listed for Sacramento. I would imagine, or hope, that one will bring forms to them and all other clubs, ranges, gun stores, etc. around there. But if they don't... there isn't much I can do about it.

Maybe, if you're going there again soon, you could print out and bring some of these flyers:

http://rkba.members.sonic.net/wanted_alive_poster.pdf

I also came upon the idea that on College Campuses, although most students will be hostile, there ARE Republicans clubs. When I was at UC Davis I was involved in political clubs and got involved with the SB-23 hearing and Recallthegovernor.org through that venue. These could be easy signatures to tap into because college kids have _FOREVER_ to spend on politics and ABSOLUTELY LOVE politics so we could pick up some sigs that way. Again this isn't going to be a HUGE new source because probably at least 85% are hostile to our cause. But heck why not drop a few off at local colleges at the Republican clubs there.

This is an excellent suggestion! You're right... it won't win the battle by itself, but every signature counts, especially when we don't have big bucks to pay signature gatherers.[/QUOTE]

But, again... this idea depends on you, the reader (not you, shopkeep... I think you signed on, but you, who's reading this now) to step up, volunteer, and make it happen. If that's "too much work", then i have little sympathy and less patience for you when the next round of laws comes around. AB352 / SB357 are not dead... they're just quiescent, and they will come back next year. And if they fail next year, they'll be back the year after that, along with a slew of other laws. And they'll keep coming back until they're passed.

[blacklisted]

I would love to help out, but I'm way to unorganized to handle anything important. If the petition does come to Alameda county, I have around 20 people so far who would be willing to sign it. I have personally "converted" three people, one who would have been considered beyond hope (a work in progress).

[shopkeep]

At the campus I went to they were so radically extreme that they had a pro-Taliban protest post 9/11 that we should surrender to the Terrorists and adopt Muslim ways. Yet, I was able to step up to the plate and resist the Communist masses. Ironically, I eventually became respected because I REFUSED to just be another follower.

It's absolutely true though that those bills will come back. That's the PRK method of banning _ALL_ guns. See, they don't have to ban them outright like San Francisco did because that can be challanged in court. If they make them all illegal to practically manufacture then they're all banned and they WIN. And being that our only way to resist is by our votes because we're law abiding citizens they _WILL_ win if we don't take efforts like RKBA seriously.

Seriously who do they think they're kidding? Serialized Ammunition and handguns that imprint serial numbers on them require such sophisticated equiptment that the firearms industry would have to turn to NASA and Intel for manufacture. I don't even think it's POSSIBLE to have unique firepins in each gun that imprint microscopic numbers due to heat tolerances and other factores. And even if it were, all any criminal needs to do is drive into Nevada or any other free state and buy a firing pin LOL!

When will they ever learn? Banning handguns in SF is a load of crap for the same reason the bans are in the state of Cali. All the rest of the country is NOT banning them and they're NOT going to go away because they're available any time you point your car North, East, or South and put your foot on the accelarator pedal long enough.

[jdberger]

I would love to help out, but I'm way to unorganized to handle anything important. If the petition does come to Alameda county, I have around 20 people so far who would be willing to sign it. I have personally "converted" three people, one who would have been considered beyond hope (a work in progress).

Blacklisted, I have petitions for you. I'll check with BigMac, and if it is ok with him I can leave them at Irvington Arms for you to pick up. Return them when you have a chance (Don't worry, I'll bug you every day - that way you don't have to be organized). 20 signatures is a good start.

Thanks,

jdberger

[shopkeep]

Even if you collect just 5 or 10 signatures, that shows that you've made an effort to protect your liberty. I personally applaud anyone who gets any amount of signatures. You don't have to get 10,000 signatures at a gun show at the Cal Expo over the weekend to be a hero. You can be the guy who got those 2 or 3 extra signatures that pushed the total over the amount needed for the ballot! Just taking time to get ANY signatures makes you a hero in my book.

[AntiBubba 2.1]

I'll drop off a stack to Yolo County Sportspersons this weekend, and I'll also try to find the CSUSac Young Republicans club. There are also three law schools in town, so I'll try to get contacts there. Brad Russell is working on a flyer with tear-off strips on the bottom, and the email address on each one (I forgot to mention that tonight, Shopkeep).

[blacklisted]

Blacklisted, I have petitions for you. I'll check with BigMac, and if it is ok with him I can leave them at Irvington Arms for you to pick up. Return them when you have a chance (Don't worry, I'll bug you every day - that way you don't have to be organized). 20 signatures is a good start.

Thanks,

jdberger
I can pick some up there if you drop them off, just tell me when.

[jdberger]

Blacklisted,

I sent you a PM

[berg]

You need to transfer over to the College of San Mateo. A good mix of liberal thinkers, moderates and conservatives.

We have a club too: http://www.heypete.com/csmrc/

At my community college, there are no moderate liberals. There are always liberal petitioners on campus.

There are some pro-gun people there though. I saw someone with a pro RKBA hat on once (that's the extent of what I have seen).

I was in the library and I found a book someone had left out "Gun Rights in America" or something similar, a pro-gun book.

I'm afraid a RKBA petition would get you laughed right out off the campus at many campuses in this state today. It's a sad fact, but I agree that we need to try and reach moderate college students.

I registered to vote with one of these liberal petitioners, and the first thing he did was check which party I checked on the form. Luckily for me I selected "declined to state", or I bet the application would have been tossed out.

On a side note, I go to Ohlone College. Some students from my college were with those who protested Powell's visit to De Anza. A campus newspaper article mentioned that three students were battered by the police, and an observer was quoted as saying the police force reminded him of a "Roman Legion" with an air of "authority". I saw a picture of the riot police, and while they appeared to get the job done, they were far from a Roman Legion in terms of physical fitness and impressive formation.

[Silverback]

ShopKeep/Anti
I was at the Yolo club and spoke to the office staff about RKBA. I was going to make the business meeting and had to work. The office staff said I could put petitions in the office. I really want to make an announcement in their mailer they send out. That will cover about 2000 people in the surrounding counties and San Francisco. I was going there today hoping to get started on the petitions placed on the tables in the coffee room.