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Mstnpete
12-06-2009, 3:34 PM
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/00-04-17-08-0018.jpg
Not the actual picture!

I purchased this rifle way before the CA ban. It is registered as an AW.
It has been a safe queen and I haven't fired her either.
I think now is the time to bring her back to original configuration.
I understand I need to replace trigger assembly to Tapco 922 r to meet Federal
compliance. If I change the thumbhole stock.

I understand I don't need to install a BB on her.
The question I have, Can I install a folding stock on her?
That is not pinned. With stock fully functioning.

Thanks for your assistance.

robairto
12-06-2009, 3:42 PM
I remember ogling those guns in the day and they were considered top of the line for AKs. The Chinese MAC series were shunned by most but now have a huge following. I think you can do what you want with the RAW.. I debanned my Maadi (LPK/rear stock/PG/FH) I love shooting it and having stacks of 30 rndrs with it nearbye to feed it.

wash
12-06-2009, 3:44 PM
If it's old enough it might predate 922(r) and you could do anything short of making it an NFA item.

Mstnpete
12-06-2009, 7:46 PM
I remember ogling those guns in the day and they were considered top of the line for AKs. The Chinese MAC series were shunned by most but not have a huge following. I think you can do what you want with the RAW.. I debanned my Maadi (LPK/rear stock/PG/FH) I love shooting it and having stacks of 30 rndrs with it nearbye to feed it.

I had 3 Mak 90's back in the day but got rid of them and kept this one.
I'm still deciding wether to go regular butt stock or folding.

Mstnpete
12-06-2009, 9:09 PM
What other US parts do I need besides the Tapco trigger control?
TIA

JeffM
12-06-2009, 9:35 PM
If it's old enough it might predate 922(r) and you could do anything short of making it an NFA item.

If it was imported with the thumbhole as pictured, it's a post import ban rifle and subject to 922r.

If you do satisfy 922r, then a folding stock is legal on your RAW.

You'll need to limit the relevant imported parts to 10 or less. The AK has 16 listed parts.

You're rifle shouldn't have a threaded barrel and does not have a muzzle device. That eliminates one imported part. If you get the barrel threaded just use a US made break/hider.

Switching the FCG to US parts eliminates 3 more imported parts.

Use a US made pistol grip and a US gas piston and you are good to go.

If you don't want to swap the piston you can use a US made stock set.

Mstnpete
12-06-2009, 10:26 PM
Thanks Jeff!

So if I use a US made wooden stock & pistol grip 2 US made parts plus the 922 Tapco FCG. Than i'm ok?

bwiese
12-06-2009, 10:35 PM
I purchased this rifle way before the CA ban. It is registered as an AW.
It has been a safe queen and I haven't fired her either.
I think now is the time to bring her back to original configuration.
I understand I need to replace trigger assembly to Tapco 922 r to meet Federal compliance. If I change the thumbhole stock.

I understand I don't need to install a BB on her.
The question I have, Can I install a folding stock on her?
That is not pinned. With stock fully functioning.

Thanks for your assistance.


Sure you can change the stock, providing you have 10 or less key foreign parts per 18 USC 922(R) / 27 CFR 478.39.

The Federal AW ban is dead. And since it's a CA reg'd AW you can have all California-defined evil features (except grenade launcher).

So you just have to worry about having a "foreign nonsporting rifle" which you avoid by putting on enough US parts.

I think you need 6 US-mfgd parts for an AK.... so I'd use:
- hammer, trigger, sear;
- stock
- pistol grip
- handguards

I'd avoid using a replacement gas piston. I think OEM is best.
There may be other better-than-TAPCO providers of fire control parts, too - I'll let others speak. (RedStar Arms?)

The SA85M will be the AK rifle I get when the CA AW ban falls.

JeffM
12-06-2009, 10:44 PM
Thanks Jeff!

So if I use a US made wooden stock & pistol grip 2 US made parts plus the 922 Tapco FCG. Than i'm ok?


No worries :)

Yea, the Tapco FCG + US stock + US PG will get you under the parts count.

I love my SA-85M. I still need to do the same to it. But I've got so many irons in the fire I haven't really spent the time to look for a Hungarian stock to match my handguards.

ETA: In response to Bill's comment: I hate Tapco and don't use any of their parts if I can avoid it. That said, the G2 trigger group is the one thing they did right. I use them without hesitation. They do however need to be modified to work with NDS-3 receivers (Which is one of the reasons among many why I don't use NDS receivers anymore for my standard AKM builds).

And make sure you get the single-hook trigger for your rifle unless it the second notch has already been cut for a double hook, or if you want to cut it yourself.

A properly installed and well made (non-tapco) US gas piston will be just as reliable as a factory one. But I wouldn't recommend having just anyone make the swap.

Mstnpete
12-06-2009, 10:48 PM
Thanks Bill! Good to hear.

norcal77
12-06-2009, 10:57 PM
This is US made also...

http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDsite/IWD4pcstamp.html

third set down from the top.

akjunkie
12-07-2009, 1:13 AM
No worries :)

Yea, the Tapco FCG + US stock + US PG will get you under the parts count.

I love my SA-85M. I still need to do the same to it. But I've got so many irons in the fire I haven't really spent the time to look for a Hungarian stock to match my handguards.

ETA: In response to Bill's comment: I hate Tapco and don't use any of their parts if I can avoid it. That said, the G2 trigger group is the one thing they did right. I use them without hesitation. They do however need to be modified to work with NDS-3 receivers (Which is one of the reasons among many why I don't use NDS receivers anymore for my standard AKM builds).

And make sure you get the single-hook trigger for your rifle unless it the second notch has already been cut for a double hook, or if you want to cut it yourself.

A properly installed and well made (non-tapco) US gas piston will be just as reliable as a factory one. But I wouldn't recommend having just anyone make the swap.


LOL, I bought my FCG from Tapco when they were still listing them as Gordon Tech G1 and G2s. Before Tapco bought them out or obtained exclusive rights to them. The other competition at the time was FSE. They had a shady QC track record.

For my Bulgarian SLR 95 with MuzzleBreak, i replaced the following.

Folding stock and Pistol grip from ACE (2 parts)
FCG from Tapco (3 parts)
Upper/Lower handguards from KVAR ( 1part)

Stanze
12-07-2009, 1:38 AM
Great gun!

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Here's my co-worker shooting my SA85M.:D

Mstnpete
12-07-2009, 3:45 PM
Nice Monster grip on that video bro!

QuarterBoreGunner
12-07-2009, 4:39 PM
*sigh* one of my greatest regrets was selling my 85M... stoopid.

Mstnpete
12-07-2009, 7:04 PM
QuarterBore,

Who would have known though bro? I did sell some weapons as well.
FAL 308, MAK90'S, HK's, Springfield SR8, Francci Law 12 shotgun. And some are in Wa. state and can't bring them in.

Mstnpete
12-21-2009, 4:51 PM
The Stock is on.
I am just bewildered why the hammer is not locking when I charge the bolt?
When I manually push the hammer down with my fingers it does lock on the hook.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

69Mach1
12-21-2009, 8:29 PM
The Stock is on.
I am just bewildered why the hammer is not locking when I charge the bolt?
When I manually push the hammer down with my fingers it does lock on the hook.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Compare your Tapco hammer to your Hungarian one. Are they the same dimensions? Sounds like the there is not enough metal on the face of the hammer for the bolt to push it the min. distance to engage the hammers hook. Let me check my SA-85M....

69Mach1
12-21-2009, 9:07 PM
The hammers are identical. Is your disconnector installed correctly? Could you clarify? Is the hammer not locking on the trigger hook, or not locking on the disconnector.

Mstnpete
12-21-2009, 9:40 PM
When I push down on the hammer using my finger it does lock and engage.
Just when I pull the bolt back the hammer does not engage.

Mstnpete
12-21-2009, 9:54 PM
I'm going to check the height of the hammer on the Tapco sounds like it is shorter than the Hungarian hammer.

Sheldon
12-22-2009, 1:22 AM
Nice. I'm in the same boat. Got a RAW MAK-90. I got the G2 trigger group and just need to break down and get the Ironwood stock set. I recently got a Romanian stock set just for the metal buttplate. One of these days......

Mstnpete
12-22-2009, 7:38 AM
I will open my other AKs and will compare CFG.

Mstnpete
12-22-2009, 3:11 PM
I found the problem , the hammer was installed backwards hehehe

Mstnpete
12-23-2009, 12:50 PM
Here's the finished project! I had to stain the butt stock and the pistol grip to color match the forend grip. I also had to do some wood cutting to fit the stock to the receiver.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/IMG_0085.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/IMG_0088-1.jpg

The rear wood stock where it meets the receiver used to have a big square bulge. I did not like the look so I dremelled and rounded the stock to blend with the receiver.

Enjoy!

socomIInato
12-23-2009, 11:57 PM
Here's the finished project! I had to stain the butt stock and the pistol grip to color match the forend grip. I also had to do some wood cutting to fit the stock to the receiver.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/IMG_0085.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/IMG_0088-1.jpg

Enjoy!

Looks great! My SA85 is jealous. Makes me want to convert mine over to something similiar.

Mstnpete
12-24-2009, 6:28 AM
Looks great! My SA85 is jealous. Makes me want to convert mine over to something similiar.

Thanks Bro!
Go for it bro ;) I was originally thinking of going with a folding stock on her.
But since I have not fired her yet, I wanted to go with an original configuration. Since she's more on the collectors side now.

Rooftop Voter
12-24-2009, 8:42 AM
Mstnpete - do any SA-85M's have an angled cut at the rear of the receiver or did they all have a straight cut?

69Mach1
12-24-2009, 8:44 AM
Mstnpete - do any SA-85M's have an angled cut at the rear of the receiver or did they all have a straight cut?

None had the cuts to the best of my knowledge. Not even the post 1998 ban, Hungarian SA-2000M's had the slant cuts in the receivers.

Mstnpete
12-24-2009, 12:06 PM
Mstnpete - do any SA-85M's have an angled cut at the rear of the receiver or did they all have a straight cut?

Mine was a straight cut. Nearly right angle from top of receiver.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/MAKstmprcv.jpg

Mstnpete
12-24-2009, 12:13 PM
Now I am done with the AK Family! These are the projects I finished recently!
No more AK projects.:cheers2:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/IMG_0083.jpg
M92 Yugo Krinkov

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/IMG_0088-1.jpg
FEG Hungarian SA85M "Pre-Ban & CA AW Registered"

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/IMG_0078-1-2.jpg
Romanian Draco Pistol