Why isn't the Brady Campaign praising Prop H?

[shopkeep]

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed most of the biggest anti-gun players such as the Brady Campaign are not signing the praises for Prop H? Why aren't Dianne Feinstein and Don Perata championing San Francisco as the beacon for "sensible gun control"?

I bet it's because they don't want the on-the-fence gun owners like recreational hunters (who sometimes oppose the "AW" crowd) to know their true agenda. When will California gun owners wake up and _FIGHT_!

[PanzerAce]

O_o

Damn...that is so true...*speachless*

[Charliegone]

Well the VPC says they are sure for it. Well, its the vpc.. they are more anti-gun than the brady's.:mad:

[Inoxmark]

Someone on another board heard or read a comment from sup Daly referring to what happened in SF as "sensible gun control". Well, clearly there is nothing "sensible" in an outright ban with confiscation to boot! They immediately asked NRA to capitalize on that.
I think all the other antis while supporting the ban realize that SF went too far with this and that this may backfire badly, not necessarily in CA, but elsewhere.

[shopkeep]

I think it actually will backfire hardest in California. Conservative areas of California like the Central Valley are being oppressed by the tyranny of the majority. The state legislature is enacting inane laws that are CONTRARY to the will of the people: remember the initiative that passed to ban gay marriages? Well look at what Mark Leno did in the legislature... I'd say that initiative was much more an expression of the will of the people than some fringe homosexual democrap from Frisco.

Eventually there will have to come a point where push comes to shove and things go too far. My personal thoughts are that someday the bans will get SOOOOO severe and so hardcore that the US Supreme Court will simply have to become involved. Because at this point there's no doubt that incrementally we are rapidly approaching a total ban.

And that's the ingenuity of it all too! They're NEVER going to say "Guns are illegal in California", they're simply going to have a list of laws SO complex and vague that ALL gun manufacturers will no longer comply and stop doing business in California. If they can make the laws too complex they WIN.

We need RKBA or the feds to come to the rescue... and right now RKBA is looking like a much more likely scenario.

[SI-guru]

Call me a pessimist. I think they are sitting on the fence waiting for it to be struck down by the court and call out " this is against the will of the voter, let's put the law in the state and don't let the judge rule against the will of the people." And sadly, the gun hating nuts in Sacramento will cheer for it and after '06 when Arnold is replaced by a Democrap, the state law will pass without veto.

[shopkeep]

Citywide handgun bans are nothing new... but a statewide might just wake up people or go to the feds. I think eventually the way things are headed in California it is inevitable that one gun ban or another will take us to the US Supreme Court. Because the politicians are so set on a complete ban it is inevitable that the highest court will eventually in time have to hear the case.

[johnny_22]

Proposition 15 failed with over 60% NO votes. After the Hurricane disasters, the percentage of NO votes can only increase. "For the children" should be our cry to keep firearms.

Information on Prop 15 can be found at:

http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/chapter2.html

[shopkeep]

Ahhh one can only remember the old days when people had common sense. 63% voting against prop 15. Well this time around 58% of people voted to repeal their 2nd amendment rights and ban handguns. Times are changing and that means we have to change too if we want to survive!

Old 2nd Amendment strategies focusing on common sense, logic, and rationality are now failing. It's time we develop new tactics and strategies if we want to stay in the game.

[PanzerAce]

yah, we need to apeal to people's emotions. We need to emphasize way out of proportion to its chance of happening that if you dont own a gun, your kids could get kidnapped from your own home (Elizabeth Smart was it?). Or that you could be walking down the street, and some one pulls a knife on you, if you have a gun, they most likely would decide to go find someone else to bother. Or if you are a buisness owner, you would get robbed ALOT less if criminals started noticing that everyone who tried to rob you ended up in the hospital or the morgue with bullet holes in them.

[82a1]

yah, we need to apeal to people's emotions. We need to emphasize way out of proportion to its chance of happening that if you dont own a gun, your kids could get kidnapped from your own home (Elizabeth Smart was it?). Or that you could be walking down the street, and some one pulls a knife on you, if you have a gun, they most likely would decide to go find someone else to bother. Or if you are a buisness owner, you would get robbed ALOT less if criminals started noticing that everyone who tried to rob you ended up in the hospital or the morgue with bullet holes in them.

That's a good point. Most anti-gun people base their arguments more on emotion, rather than logic and reason. Because it seems the majority of the people in this state can't think for themselves (that's why we have all these BS laws), we should try some of the tactics of the anti-gunners. Maybe we could mention how guns can actually SAVE peoples lives. There have been many cases where a person was killed because they were unable to defend themselves against an attacker (who did not necessarily have a gun, but had some kind of weapon - like a knife). If the victim had a gun, he/she could have saved themselves, or their family members, from being shot or stabbed to death. If we brought up more of these kinds of examples, instead of just mentioning the 2nd Amendment all the time (which, of course, is important), perhaps we can change peoples minds.

[PanzerAce]

true. The thing is, Emotion will almost always work better than reason. The only time it doesnt is usually when the people know that their emotions are being played on.