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Flogger23m
12-05-2009, 3:05 PM
Been thinking about what I want to change/upgrade with my rifle.

First, the specs:

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/508/arwsights.th.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/arwsights.jpg/)

CMMG 16" Mid length, 1/7, .223
Standard lower with A2 stock
DD A1.5 rear sight

I'll be using this rifle for target shooting/plinking. I don't have a lot of money to spend, so I don't need high end stuff.



One thing I would like to get is a scope or red dot. I want something around $120.

I've looked into the Primary Arms Aimpoint clone, and seems to be a good choice. Any other decent optics out there that are comparable?

But I've also been thinking about getting a scope. I don't know anything about scopes though. Can anything decent for .223 be had for $120 or so (including mounts)? I will be shooting out to 100 yards. Maybe more, but not likely.

Must work with the DD sight though, as I want to keep that on.



Next thing I would be interested in is a forward pistol grip. I don't have a lot of money to spend on quad rails, especially since I just want to use a pistol grip. Plus, I like the look and feel of my standard handguard.

So I've been thinking of getting something similar to these:
http://www.outdoorbunker.com/Command_Arms_Triple_Rail_Mount_for_M_16_Ar_15_M_4_ p/%28caatrm-%29.htm (http://www.outdoorbunker.com/Command_Arms_Triple_Rail_Mount_for_M_16_Ar_15_M_4_ p/%28caa-trm-%29.htm)

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh247/echo_5/011.jpg

Would these work in my mid length hand guard? Hard to tell if that is a mid or rifle length in the picture. Is CAA good to go to?

I am assuming you just screw these into the holes on the bottom? So I don't have to remove my handgaurds to install them, correct?

And of course, what is an affordable forward pistol grip?



Anything else I should upgrade while I am at it?

reidnez
12-05-2009, 3:20 PM
Vortex Strikefire is another red-dot that's within your price range. It's not going to be as durable or well-made as an Aimpoint, but it should get the job done for you. One cool feature is it comes with a 2x magnifier that screws right into the back of the tube. It also switches between red and green reticles, if that's your thing. A 1x or 2x red-dot is more than adequate for 100 yards (and beyond.) So are iron sights ;)

As for that CAA rail, I'd be really cautious about anything that costs $10. You get what you pay for. And while it's your rifle, try to honestly evaluate whether you even need a rail, VFG, etc. I had rails, VFG, and light on my rifle and ended up taking it all off because I didn't like the extra weight. My carbine is a svelte 6.5 lbs and that is more enjoyable to me than a crate full of tacticool goodies. Your mileage may vary. Honestly, for the use you've described I think you have a pretty good setup. That's a solid rifle that will serve you well and it doesn't "need" anything, it's a matter of what--if anything--you want.

The best thing you can buy for your rifle: AMMO! Range time is what will make you a good shooter, not accessories. Get out there and put some rounds down range! :30:

aplinker
12-05-2009, 3:30 PM
I would get a Konus or similar micro-like red dot.

You can use the DD Defense mount for Aimpoints, IIRC.

If you REALLY want a VFG, get a MI short accessory rail.

8200rpm
12-05-2009, 3:34 PM
Forward pistols grips are going out of vogue as more and more shooters realize that they're really not conducive in improving control or shootability of the weapon.

A lot of shooters including 3-gun competitors prefer a high thumb, forward grip of the handguards over a choke-the-chicken grip of a foward pistol grip. Do a youtube search for Taran Bulter or Michael Voigt. When the guys who make a living off shooting use a particular technique, there's a reason for it.

My suggestion is to spend the money ammo instead.

Also, rather than skimping out for a cheap Chinese-made $120 red dot and mount combo, consider saving an extra $300 for an Aimpoint Comp3 with LaRue mount.

If it was my money, spending $120 on a cheap scope/mount would feel like I flushed the money down the toilet. That money would be better wasted at a strip club.

evidens83
12-05-2009, 3:39 PM
Quality budget upgrades?
1. Primary Arms micro red dot $120
2. Magpul MIAD grip $35
3. Magpul ETG $20
4. KZ stubby VFG $25
5. AMMO!

reidnez
12-05-2009, 3:40 PM
Forward pistols grips are going out of vogue as more and more shooters realize that they're really not conducive in improving control or shootability of the weapon.



That is exactly the conclusion I came to. I put one on because I thought it was the thing to have, but after a while I realized that it never felt right to me and my shooting was suffering for it. I trained for thousands of rounds without a VFG, don't know why I suddenly felt the need to change everything up. Stock handguards are fine, Magpul MOE are better (though they don't come in midlength.)

OutlawDon
12-05-2009, 3:50 PM
There is beauty in simplicity....keep it KISS, but I would do these very few things personally to make it more handy.

1. Convert to adjustable stock
2. Get a new pistol grip
3. Keep the stock handguards...they do just fine.
4. Add a red dot as you mentioned. I just bought a Primary Arms Gen 2 Micro Dot


Check this guy's setup out. Simple yet gorgeous and functional.

http://milspecmonkey.com/weapons-page/rifles

Stag Simple Black Mid-Length
Complete Stag Arms gun with a cutom contour Rock River Arms chrome lined barrel: Rock River Arms Chrome Lined 16" Mid-Length Barrel (countoured to .690" under the handguards), Cav Arms C6 (M4 profile) Handguards, LaRue BUIS, Magpul MIAD pistol grip with Magpul Enhanced Trigger Guard, KNS non-rotating hammer / trigger pin set, Colt M4 front sling mount, Vltor stock, Spectre Gear universal sling

http://milspecmonkey.com/weapons/stag-mid1.jpg

http://milspecmonkey.com/weapons/stag-plain-m68-1.jpg

Flogger23m
12-05-2009, 4:27 PM
Thanks for the replies.

About the Vortex Strike Force, I am seeing them for around $150. Does this price include the 2x magnifier? If so, I think this might be the direction I go.

Any other scope that I should consider?

Think I might skip the forward grip to.

I know that a .22LR conversion kit is on my to get list though.

aplinker
12-05-2009, 5:34 PM
Thanks for the replies.

About the Vortex Strike Force, I am seeing them for around $150. Does this price include the 2x magnifier? If so, I think this might be the direction I go.

Any other scope that I should consider?

Think I might skip the forward grip to.

I know that a .22LR conversion kit is on my to get list though.

Proper use of a VFG is more as a handstop than a broomhandle grip - I think you're making the right choice.

The Vortex includes the 2X, but it's not the best with it anyways.

If you fit the fixed stock well, stick with it. If it's too long, you can switch to a collapsible (or a fixed A1).

I would seriously suggest you consider a MMG or similar and get detachable mags out of it.

OutlawDon
12-05-2009, 5:36 PM
Any other scope that I should consider?




http://www.primaryarms.com/category.sc;jsessionid=C22957543A1011B4465B98C6CBD 48E17.qscstrfrnt03?categoryId=5