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ChrisO
12-04-2009, 12:38 AM
Who trust their life to a M1 carbine for HD here? I love how light weight these things are and how great they point. Anyone use one in a tactical carbine class? If so how well did you do? It seems like a very good option for us CA people, I can't imagine getting into any altercations that a M1 carbine could not deal with that a AR15 could besides a little more distance but I have other rifles just for that. Oh and I have both so im not being a hater :p .

sirnonz
12-04-2009, 1:40 AM
i have my handguns/ shotgun for close range defense and a rifle for further defense.

ChrisO
12-04-2009, 2:07 AM
I have a M1 carbine and a AR but im tired of the whole AR thing so Im planning on getting rid of mine. Right now im thinking a long of the same lines as you, I have handguns and shotguns for close range and my long range rig for distance...

bear308
12-04-2009, 2:11 AM
I use mine as a truck gun now and then. Something about the of course it's legal thing is appealing for that.

Not for around the house. Probably because I never thought of it.

johnthomas
12-04-2009, 2:31 AM
A 308 round for home defense? My house is 1800 sq ft. The longest clear shot I can get would be about 30 feet. It seems to me the neighbors would be in a lot of danger with a person shooting 308 rounds thru their homes. Maybe I'm being a little cautious having my 870 and 45 w/hp at the ready. My thought has always been to protect myself, not hurt the neighbors.

Chach
12-04-2009, 2:41 AM
A 308 round for home defense? My house is 1800 sq ft. The longest clear shot I can get would be about 30 feet. It seems to me the neighbors would be in a lot of danger with a person shooting 308 rounds thru their homes. Maybe I'm being a little cautious having my 870 and 45 w/hp at the ready. My thought has always been to protect myself, not hurt the neighbors.

Believe we're talking about this little guy, firing a .30 carbine round. BIG difference between a .30 Carbine & .308 round.

Anywho, as others have said, I have a handgun and shotgun ready for home defense. .30 carbine stays in the safe most of the time. It's a wonderful plinker though and actually the first rifle I ever used / learned to shoot with.

http://images18.fotki.com/v673/photos/2/201355/2490663/m1carbine-vi.jpg

http://images53.fotki.com/v432/photos/2/201355/2490663/PrviPartizan30CarbineFMJ110gr-vi.jpg

ChrisO
12-04-2009, 2:48 AM
First rifle I learned on as well actually first rifle I ever owned :) I have a soft spot for it.

Mosby
12-04-2009, 6:12 AM
I live out on the sticks and love having a light weight handy carbine w/3 full magazines all in one package right next to the bed. Now if I can mount a light without permanently altering anything I'd be even more satisfied with the M1 Carbine. I also take it out when I am in the woods with the family, the Garand or the M1a was a bit much.

Group B
12-04-2009, 9:08 AM
I'm not all that partial to them; I learned to shoot with a 10/22.

I find the m1 carbine to be handy, but I would never trust the .30 carbine round for HD.

I have a Walther P99 .40 w/Gold Dots, a Glock 20 w/Black Talons, and, since I live in the hills, my AR w/Hornady TAP for all my HD needs.

If I lived on a farm, or a really large parcel of land, I would def. have an m1 carbine laying around, but for plinking mainly.

SVRider
12-04-2009, 9:29 AM
With non-FMJ (read "Soft Point") ammunition, the ole' M1 Carbine can hold it's own just fine according to Doc Roberts...even through auto glass and Level IIIA armor.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#.30 carbine

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Misc_Images/DocGKR/M1CarbineWP.jpg


Military was limited to FMJ's....we are not....

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SVRider
12-04-2009, 9:31 AM
I live out on the sticks and love having a light weight handy carbine w/3 full magazines all in one package right next to the bed. Now if I can mount a light without permanently altering anything I'd be even more satisfied with the M1 Carbine. I also take it out when I am in the woods with the family, the Garand or the M1a was a bit much.

Mosby, you can mount a light and optics....without permanent modification if you like:

http://www.ultimak.com/BuyM1C.htm

http://www.ultimak.com/pic19.htm
http://www.ultimak.com/gallery/30CarbAimpoint3.jpg

mls343
12-04-2009, 9:32 AM
I would. My WWII Rockola is a "never to be sold" weapon. EVER.

For me, the round is good enough for defense/offense, hunting, and plinking. In addition, the gun itself is reliable as I've never had a failure since I began shooting m1 carbines back in the '60's.

It's nice and handy, reliable, and shoots straight.

TheClap1
12-04-2009, 9:39 AM
It's the first rifle I've ever owned. I plan of using it on the upcoming TAC clinic in Burrows.

fcr
12-04-2009, 9:46 AM
I learned on a 22 and got my M1 for my 8th birthday. It is going on 47 yrs old and looks as pristine as when I got it. It is still very fun to plink with, not bad for $25.00 .

drummerdude1188
12-04-2009, 9:48 AM
A 308 round for home defense? My house is 1800 sq ft. The longest clear shot I can get would be about 30 feet. It seems to me the neighbors would be in a lot of danger with a person shooting 308 rounds thru their homes. Maybe I'm being a little cautious having my 870 and 45 w/hp at the ready. My thought has always been to protect myself, not hurt the neighbors.

WOW, do you know anything about guns? Maybe you were posting in the wrong thread.... lets hope so

Barney Gumble
12-04-2009, 9:52 AM
Mosby, you can mount a light and optics....without permanent modification if you like:

http://www.ultimak.com/BuyM1C.htm

http://www.ultimak.com/pic19.htm
http://www.ultimak.com/gallery/30CarbAimpoint3.jpg

Hah...I didn't realize Ultimak had a product for the M1 Carbine. This changes my whole view of this rifle...now I might have to pick one up from CMP.

El Gato
12-04-2009, 9:54 AM
I keep my cmp rifle in the safe with a couple of 30 rounders loaded...
the new corbon DPX sounds interesting...

RAMCHARGER
12-04-2009, 9:56 AM
Back in the late 80's when big five/turner's sold M1 carbines pretty cheap and by the train load, we asked Grandpa about them since he fought in WW2. Well the stories came out. Gramps did alot of close up fighting in WW2. He stormed a beach one day with alot of other brave men. This WAS his favorite fighting weapon even though he carried a Garand. He left a lot of bad guy widows behind but he Lived happily into his late 90s. He was a little guy and having alot of bullets available was a good thing. As for the M1 Carbine not a good defense weapon? A lot of dead Germans, Japanese, Commies will disagree with you.
Will I use MY m1 carbine as a personal defense weapon? Probaly not. ONLY because I like it too much to have it end up in a police impound. 870s are cheaper and more plintiful for that purpose...

Milsurp Collector
12-04-2009, 10:32 AM
Here is an article praising the M1 Carbine for home defense and law enforcement use http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_6_47/ai_74033105/

CmpsdNoMore
12-04-2009, 10:35 AM
I love the look and feel of the M1 Carbine. I'd love to get one but, due to limited funds at 21 years old, I have to focus on putting my money towards other things first.

ChrisO
12-04-2009, 5:39 PM
AR's are cool and very fun but to be honest the most fun I have shooting besides long range is taking the M1 carbine out and being able to drop a mag with it or pop a coyote or a squirrel here and there. To me the gun is about ideal for a bug out rifle or HD gun "I have a 870 HD for close work but sometimes I leave a carbine out" It's a light handy truck gun points easily and just about anyone can handle it and use it efficiently. I will be getting a new one soon here and adding a ultimak and burris fast fire... I want to be able to co witness but I don't know how possible that is with the peep sights.

tomd1584
12-04-2009, 5:45 PM
I love the look and feel of the M1 Carbine. I'd love to get one but, due to limited funds at 21 years old, I have to focus on putting my money towards other things first.

girls and beer?

Donk310
12-04-2009, 6:05 PM
I use a bazooka for HD.

ChrisO
12-04-2009, 6:24 PM
I use a bazooka for HD.

HELL YEAH GET SOME!

E-120
12-04-2009, 7:43 PM
I use mine out hiking in the desert all the time. Good for going in caves with. Its light and does not draw as much attention as my Black Rifles.

SimpleCountryActuary
12-04-2009, 8:54 PM
I am a realist. I keep the M1 Carbine handy because ... I doubt my ability to hit anything except my foot with a handgun when woken out of a deep sleep by my door being smashed down at 3 in the morning.

:sleeping::sleeping::sleeping::sleeping::sleeping: :eek:

J_Rock
12-04-2009, 8:57 PM
The M1 carbine, from a lethality standpoint is better than a pistol but not nearly as good as .223 from an AR.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/DocGKRData/HomecarbineWP.jpg

elSquid
12-04-2009, 9:08 PM
Jim Cirillo said the carbine - when loaded with softpoints - was one of the more effective tools used by the NYPD Stakeout Squad.

http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Bullets-Gunfights-Modern-Day-Gunfighter/dp/0873648773

-- Michael

ChrisO
12-04-2009, 9:54 PM
Well I plan on getting another rifle im dumping the AR I know the 5.56 round is very effective but im tired of lock mags and I don't want to go featureless. For me right now I want to get another carbine for the truck or a 1984c in .357. The levergun can be a good tool in the right hands 10 round capacity and the ability to top off is good. I already have a m1 carbine "well I gave it to my dad" so I plan on getting another one but don't have time to wait on the CMP so ill be buying one or a lever gun.

Spiggy
12-04-2009, 10:08 PM
I use a bazooka for HD.
http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/suitability-demotivational-poster.jpg

M1 Carbine lineage is such an excellent little design. Built like a rifle, made to replace a pistol, behaves like a sub-machine gun.

Granted, we don't have the ability to test the SMG function, but the round itself has a bit more punch than a .357Mag, I'd say it'd do just fine as long as you're not shooting at drunk commies under 3 layers of wool in sub-zero temps.

I keep one handy for immediate HD if necessary... Mags are prevalent, loaded, and hold a generous 15/30 depending on the magazine. Ultimak is a great purchase by the way. They really update the feel of the M1.

However my first goto will always be my Mod. 1897 shotgun.

bgoodman
12-05-2009, 12:25 AM
M1 Carbines are Badass. Period.

Linkpimp
12-05-2009, 12:46 AM
It’s called “Old School Tactical”

My dad and I both us our M1 Carbines for home defense; it was the weapon that he used in the war (Vietnam) and mine is the one I grew up shooting and the one my son is learning now how to shoot with it. Sure I have my 870 and Ar’s etc, but it small, light, won’t over penetrate, shoots straight, it's extremely reliable and if need be it would also make a great club.

What’s there not to love about this old school tactical, proven battle rifle. This one is 47 years old and its lived and breathed off reloads for the last several years with out complaining one bit..


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/IMG_5043.jpg


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/IMG_5047.jpg





Ammo is expensive for it!, Thank god I reload!..

Actually I just completed 900+ rounds


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/IMG_5448.jpg




$110.00 for the (1,000) 110gr bullets FMJ
$40.ish for the pound & ½ of Viht N110 powder
$30.00 for 1000 small rifle primers
Total costs for 1000 rd of (home rolled) .30 Carbine = $180.ish

So it costs me approximately what...(18 cents) per round?:D Compared to factory ammo that costs over $0.50 cents per round :mad:http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0065938216948a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=.30+Carbine+ammo&sort=all&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1

I think I made the right choice.:)

J_Rock
12-05-2009, 12:58 AM
It’s called “Old School Tactical”

but it small, light, won’t over penetrate, shoots straight, it's extremely reliable and if need be it would also make a great club.


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:







.

ChrisO
12-05-2009, 1:25 AM
Whats a good source of brass for 30 carbine? I reload as well so the ammo problem is not such a problem such a easy caliber to reload for as well. I plan on buying one of the little lee handloaders for the carbine and my pistol so If I ever have to hit the road and make my own rounds in a SHTF scenario and I can't take my whole bench in the car haha.

Linkpimp
12-05-2009, 1:54 AM
I was luckily smart enough to pick up a thousand + pieces of new brass at the last OC Cross Roads gun show. I know my local shop cares them in from time to time to so I know there out there. I’ve seen them on gunbroker.com too. Actually there a bid on now for 775 pieces for $125.00 (200ish) loaded and the rest in brass. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=148826520

mls343
12-05-2009, 6:18 AM
Light, handy, and reliable. What's not to like about the little M1 carbine? The round is good enough for SHTF, plinking, and even bagging decent game if necessary. In addition, you can even carry one with being tagged as an evil meance when hiking/camping in the woods.

Not a bad little choice!

BTW - If this is your option, better get a jump on it as CMP is starting to dry up on these... FYI

fragthefreaks
12-05-2009, 8:40 AM
A .30 carbine is short, light and accurate. deadly with hollow points and ballistics comparable to .357 mag.

When my eyes were young, the iron sights were my favorite.

This is one of the most reliable semi-autos ever made. Drop it in the mud and come out ready to rock reliable.

GrizzlyGuy
12-05-2009, 8:58 AM
I am a realist. I keep the M1 Carbine handy because ... I doubt my ability to hit anything except my foot with a handgun when woken out of a deep sleep by my door being smashed down at 3 in the morning.

+1

I can't shoot a handgun worth a dang, so the carbine has always been my favorite HD weapon. My dad carried one in WW II and swore by it. My wife is a big 1911 fan, but now she prefers them too. Miltech is building her a real nice one with Winchester components. I pity the poor intruder who decides to smash down our door at 3 AM.

nemisis1400
12-05-2009, 9:10 AM
I thought that after i get my hands on a 1897 shotgun my c&r fix would be done and over, now it has come back with a vengeance. i really need to stop coming here.

Sailormilan2
12-05-2009, 9:45 AM
A .30 carbine is short, light and accurate. deadly with hollow points and ballistics comparable to .357 mag.

When my eyes were young, the iron sights were my favorite.

This is one of the most reliable semi-autos ever made. Drop it in the mud and come out ready to rock reliable.

The 357 mag, with 125 gr HPs is rated at 95% one shot stops. Meaning, that 95% of the time, one shot will stop or incapacitate the perp. The 30 Carbine is a bit better than that, but it needs the proper bullets.
Soft points are better than the Military FMJs, but the Speer 110 gr HP would be the best. Nice exposed lead HP nose, verly similar to those on a pistol bullet. But a bit harder to find.

CmpsdNoMore
12-05-2009, 10:09 AM
girls and beer?

Fiance and I'm limiting myself to what's "practical" to me right now. I've been thinking about a matching caliber revolver and lever-action carbine, but would much rather have an m1 carbine.

I'm loosing the battle with the lever gun idea and may just get a hand loader to make the M1 a little more reasonable for ammo.

res2580
12-05-2009, 11:26 AM
I hope this counts! Here is my Inland M2 CARBINE, lock and loaded with braced two 30round tracer LLC ammo. I use it as my primary along with a 1911. One New year vacation, I think 02. My buddy and I just had a full auto trade off. He fires his M4 and then my M2 carbine bought 30rounds. After we got close to 500 rounds. He had to call it quite coz he said His barrel is too hot and might be melting the handguard. I never questioned him after, and I knew that my carbine could go for more. This is all in the PHILIPPINES by the way! Either way, I love my AR15 and my Carbine!!
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z188/res2580/P1140261.jpg

ChrisO
12-05-2009, 12:07 PM
Ahhh you lucky guy!!! Beautiful rifle!!! The only thing is guys is I don't want to wait 3 months to get my M1 from the CMP carbine so I was thinking of purchasing of a fellow calgunner. I have no doubt about it's reliability, So anyone know how I can tell the difference between the M1 and M2 later model mag catch so it can hold my pre bans a little tighter? Also any good source for USGI rebuilds that are RELIABLE?