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vinny_land
12-03-2009, 4:57 PM
Okay, so today I turned 21 and passed the easy HSC test. I discussed with the test proctor (Second Amendment in Bakersfield) about the proof of residency requirement. Since I still live with my parents, utility bills and car registrations are under their name. He said I can go with the lease agreement option that requires the form to be notarized.

I then spent the last hour on the search feature here on CGN and some members said that the lease agreement does NOT require the form to be notarized. Just simply run down to Office Depot or Staples, buy the lease agreement forms, fill them out, and just have mom and dad sign. Not need for a notary. Is this true? Or are some FFL dealers lenient when it comes to this stuff?

Also does the "free templates" that are offered online legitimate? I dont want to embarrass myself thinking I got the proper papers and then get turned away at the dealer for having some cheap form. It just seems to me that we have to jump through so many hoops in order to do what we love. :( *rant over*

vinny_land
12-03-2009, 7:25 PM
btt anyone...anyone..

CSACANNONEER
12-03-2009, 7:30 PM
Although a lease agreement does not have to be notarized, you can always go to AAA or another place that will notarize it for free or cheap. That is only if you are planning to buy or transfer through 2A since, it'll make them feel better. Sometimes, even if you know your right, it's easier to appease the other party than try to educate them. In other words, you need to pick which fights are worth fighting and which are a total waste of time to fight.

vinny_land
12-03-2009, 7:42 PM
Although a lease agreement does not have to be notarized, you can always go to AAA or another place that will notarize it for free or cheap. That is only if you are planning to buy or transfer through 2A since, it'll make them feel better. Sometimes, even if you know your right, it's easier to appease the other party than try to educate them. In other words, you need to pick which fights are worth fighting and which are a total waste of time to fight.

I dont plan on doing the transfer at 2A but rather through another dealer (who is also a calgunner). Nvm...I looked it up.
Thank for the quick reply.

Dr Pete
12-03-2009, 10:32 PM
Did it for my daughter a few years back.
Save your money, grab a template lease agreement, have your Dad or Mom sign and your good to go.
Turners in OC accepted the paperwork and she got a nice birthday present :)
No notary required.

kemasa
12-04-2009, 11:16 AM
I think that the notary confusion is from one of the examples (below), but the law and the listing of acceptable documents do not specify that requirement.

12071 ...
(C) Commencing January 1, 2003, no handgun may be delivered unless
the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm
presents documentation indicating that he or she is a California
resident. Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill
from within the last three months, a residential lease, a property
deed, or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment
within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by
the Department of Justice. The firearms dealer shall retain a
photocopy of the documentation as proof of compliance with this
requirement.


http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php#7

Purchasers of handguns are also required to provide proof of California residency, such as a utility bill, residential lease, property deed, or government-issued identification (other than a drivers license or other DMV-issued identification).

(PC Section 12071)


http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs.php#33G


What documentation is acceptable to demonstrate proof of residency for handgun purchasers?

* Utility bill from within the past three months that bears on its face the individual's name and either of the following:
1. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form

or
2. The individual's residential address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

"Utility bill" means a statement of charges for providing service to the individual's residence by either a physical connection (i.e., hard wired telephone connection or cable connection, or a water or gas pipeline connection) or a telemetric connection (i.e., satellite television or radio broadcast service) to a non-mobile, fixed antenna reception device.
* Residential lease that bears the individual's name and either of the following:
1. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form

or
2. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification card, or change of address attachment thereto.

"Residential lease" means either of the following:
1. A signed and dated contract by which the individual (tenant)agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration for the right to occupy an abode for a specified period of time

or
2. A signed and dated rental agreement by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration at fixed intervals for the right to occupy an abode.
* Property deed the bears the individual's name and either of the following:
1. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form

or
2. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

"Property deed" means either or the following:
1. A valid deed of trust for the individual's property of current residence that identifies the individual as a grantee of the trust

or
2. A valid Certificate of title issued by a licensed title insurance company that identifies the individual as a title holder to his or her property of current residence.
* Current, government-issued license, permit, or registration, other than a CA Driver License or CA Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
1. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form

or
2. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

Examples of acceptable proof of residency:
1. Current DMV registrations.
2. Electricity, gas, cable bill with purchaser's name onit from within the last 3 months.
3. Signed, dated and notarized rental agreement/contract.

Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:
1. Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).
2. Cellular phone bill.