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dart368
12-03-2009, 4:43 PM
I really don't want to throw junk into my AR and blast crap down my barrell.

What is a good but inexpensive round to use that won't jam up my gun and clog up my barrell?

I have some Federal .223 from Walmart stowed away but want something to just shoot at the range.

I have heard bad things about Wolf Ammo but am not sure about the hearsay. What should I use?

AndrewMendez
12-03-2009, 4:44 PM
short answer: Go with PMC.

Richie Caketown
12-03-2009, 4:45 PM
I use silverbear 62gr because i get it cheap and it works great for me ,

Others use Wolf and Brown Bear. Wolf isnt too bad assuming you clean up your rifle after use , the reason you hear bad is depending on the setup of the rifle. I have a 16in carbine setup and have had 0 problems with the 300rds of wolf i sent down range , sadly after the 700rds i have put down range the only 1 rd that ever gave me trouble was a remington .

djleisure
12-03-2009, 4:48 PM
Wolf is just fine if your range will allow it - some won't. Your rifle is meant to get dirty and it should fire anything you put through it - just clean it afterwards. Don't worry about the "Wolf ammo is dirty, blah, blah" nay-sayers - Wolf, Brown Bear, et al. are just fine for blasting away...

AndrewMendez
12-03-2009, 4:48 PM
I really don't want to throw junk into my AR and blast crap down my barrell.

What is a good but inexpensive round to use that won't jam up my gun and clog up my barrell?

I have some Federal .223 from Walmart stowed away but want something to just shoot at the range.


A lot of manufacture's recommend not using steel cased ammo, some will actually void the warranty, if you in fact use steel cased ammo. Federal and Winchester are good brands to use. Ammo will really not "go bad" unless its exposed to rust, or water. If your gun is jamming up with "bad ammo" its probably not the ammo. PMC seems to be the cheapest, and most readily available, and for the price you probably cant beat it, and its reloadable.

Exposed
12-03-2009, 4:52 PM
My ARs eats wolf, brown bear, silver bear, pmc, remington, and bullsye reloads for breakfast lunch and dinner. Any problems I have had with My ARs have been a result of gas leaks, not ammo.

1988
12-03-2009, 4:55 PM
I have heard bad things about Wolf Ammo but am not sure about the hearsay. What should I use?

The hearsay is really important. The low tolerance of the steel cases, and low quality powder are the causes of all troubles.

You won't have better accuracy than brass case, and routine maintenance of your rifle is a must. You wouldn't want to let carbon build up on the chamber and bolt, which can cause serious problems. Some got away with these problems on AK, but for high tolerance systems like AR, you don't want to risk it.

vinny_land
12-03-2009, 5:04 PM
Brown Bear 62gr:thumbsup:

Runs perfectly in my midlength BCM upper. But you still need to do your part and clean your AR. Dont treat it like a chore or work, but rather working on your hot rod!

aplinker
12-03-2009, 5:34 PM
at 33% cheaper than the cheapest brass, using Wolf makes the rifle free.

dart368
12-03-2009, 5:39 PM
Dont treat it like a chore or work, but rather working on your hot rod!

I like that quote :cool:

Thanks for the input and so quickly too. I have a DPMS 18" upper free float barrell and a Miculek compensator. I guess most ammo will be okay to put through it then. Thanks for the input. :D

bender152
12-03-2009, 5:45 PM
I've shot a ton of Wolf and Brown Bear without any problems. I don't clean my gun too often either. Maybe once every 500 rounds. They're not the most accurate, but they're great for plinking.

If you don't want the steel cased stuff, then like someone said earlier, PMC.

dskell
12-03-2009, 5:48 PM
Pretty good deal for some good, brass cased ammunition:

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=149041400

sirnonz
12-03-2009, 5:58 PM
mine takes wolfs remington pmc x193 m855 and everything in between.

DB2
12-03-2009, 5:59 PM
Hot Shot. 800 rd tin $260. Brass cased, reloadable.

See Copes.

Harley
12-03-2009, 6:10 PM
PMC.............:thumbsup:

3GunFunShooter
12-03-2009, 7:44 PM
I have switched from American Eagle to PMC. A little more accurate for my short range ammo out to 150 yds. Stay away from the steel cased ammo. Just not worth it in the long run. Stuff is great for SKS's and AK's.

Artery
12-03-2009, 7:56 PM
short answer: Go with PMC.

Agreed ! :thumbsup:

evidens83
12-03-2009, 7:57 PM
PMC and Remington UMC from Wal Mart. Both are cheap and GTG for range use.

bballwizard05
12-03-2009, 8:00 PM
PMC is good, also Sellor and Belliot (unsure of spelling) is sold on cheaper than dirt.com and is relatively inexpensive. Also check aimsurplus.com for deals on U.S. military surplus and stuff.

SoCalRandy
12-03-2009, 8:02 PM
short answer: Go with PMC.

+1 on the PMC! Here's a good spot for a good deal ($341/1000 rounds shipped) to your door step...

http://palmettostatearmory.com/168.php

dart368
12-03-2009, 8:12 PM
Thanks for the input...I guess all I have to do now is shop :piggy:

AndrewMendez
12-03-2009, 9:13 PM
You need to go to the next gun show in your area. At the last Costa Mesa show, they had PMC for 28 cents a round. Thats cheaper then 45. Thats 280 Bucks for 1000!

Group B
12-03-2009, 10:00 PM
Pretty good deal for some good, brass cased ammunition:

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=149041400

That stuff is really good.

I picked-up a box a couple months ago, found it to be clean, and it shot well.

FWIW even though the box is marked "American Eagle", I found that all the case markings were recent Lake City (LC08 & LC09).

fcr
12-03-2009, 10:05 PM
The steel case Hornaday, anyone with experience? Looked at it at Costa Mesa and didn't want to impulse. Yet, I can use it at our ranges since it isn't magnetic. Any thoughts ?

aplinker
12-03-2009, 10:39 PM
The steel case Hornaday, anyone with experience? Looked at it at Costa Mesa and didn't want to impulse. Yet, I can use it at our ranges since it isn't magnetic. Any thoughts ?

If it's cheaper than any of the cheap brass, or the same cost with 75gr bullets, then I'd say go for it.

If not, buy one of the others mentioned. $325 or so will get you 1k rds of brass now.

dart368
02-03-2010, 10:20 AM
Got some. thanks.

Federalist
02-03-2010, 10:33 AM
Personally, I don't shoot steel cased ammo in my AR. Plenty of my friends do. I just don't.

If you want .223, I recommend PMC Bronze. At $329 for 1k rounds (plus shipping) from Palmetto State Armory, it seems to be one of the best deals for brass.

If you want 5.56, I recommend PRVI Partizan M193. A few months ago I bought a case from Palmetto State Armory, and paid $339 for 1k rounds (plus $12 shipping).

Based on my experience, both are reliable and accurate.

Dubster
02-03-2010, 10:56 AM
PMC at Cheaper Than Dirt. Something like $6.89 a box.

Dub

PaperPuncher
02-03-2010, 11:11 AM
This question may or may not apply but since we are going over suppliers such as wolf and brown bear I feel it is appropriate.

I put a lot of Wolf ammo down a couple of my barrels and never had a problem with the ammo or the rifle. Good things IMO. However both of those rifles/uppers came with a warranty note stating that using said ammo would void the warranty. I don't care much for warranties probably because I have never (knocking on wood right now) had to utilize one of my rifle's warranties. That and the scene from Tommy Boy comes to mind where they talk about putting the warranty on the box.

My question is: Has anyone, who shoots wolf and/or brown bear regularly and received the little note about the rifle's warranty vs. using this ammo, had any issues when returning their rifle for a warranty repair? I.E. have any of the manufacturers come back and said "I can see you shoot Wolf ammo and that voids your warranty so we can fix your problem but it is going to cost you"?

Just curious to know if this has had any impact out there as of yet.

The DRis
02-03-2010, 11:12 AM
+1 on the privi. Good stuff and the Wally world federal. When ever you can actually find it in stock

TZL
02-03-2010, 11:27 AM
for the steel stuff, my opinion: Silver bear > wolf > brown bear

Silver bear is zinc coated
Wolf is polymer coated
Brown bear is lacquer coated

theortically lacquer can melt and cause extraction problems...but i've shot tons of lacquer coated ammo in my AKs and it never has caused a problem

I've put 1k round of wolf down an AR in two days, not a problem there either

I prefer silverbear 62gr HP for plinking...or surplus m193...

Baconator
02-03-2010, 1:48 PM
I use brown bear, cheaper than dirt had it for less than $5 a box. No problems so far.

RyanX
02-03-2010, 3:22 PM
I've been using wolf and brown bear nonstop in my AR and I have had zero problems. I think the amount of practice shooting you can do by buying wolf is worth any potential extractor problems or whatever they say will happen..

Shenaniguns
02-03-2010, 6:35 PM
The steel case Hornaday, anyone with experience? Looked at it at Costa Mesa and didn't want to impulse. Yet, I can use it at our ranges since it isn't magnetic. Any thoughts ?



I love the 75gr stuff :D

FMJBT
02-03-2010, 6:41 PM
PRVI makes some excellent ammo. Their 75 grain match ammo is extremely accurate. Nice brass for reloading too.

username182
02-03-2010, 7:01 PM
Anybody try this? Been thinking about picking some up to try...

http://www.rmammo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9_10&products_id=56

aplinker
02-03-2010, 7:07 PM
TMJ Trading has some good deals :rofl2:

Baconator
02-03-2010, 7:10 PM
Anybody try this? Been thinking about picking some up to try...

http://www.rmammo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9_10&products_id=56

There was a thread on this site somewhere,
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=256074&highlight=rmammo

Seems to be ok for the most part.

JohnZ
02-03-2010, 7:45 PM
Has anyone tried the Hornady Tap Training Ammo?

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php/pName/1000rds-223-hornady-tap-training-55gr-fmj-ammo/cName/223-556-fmj-ammo