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ENTHUSIAST
12-03-2009, 3:03 AM
What is the BEST SureFire light for the AR?

What SureFire lights does the military use?

Are there BETTER (NOT cheaper) weapons mounted lights out there?


Thanks,
-ENTHUSIAST

railroader
12-03-2009, 3:35 AM
Here's a good deal on a led light. http://www.springfield-armory.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=568 Mark

Tragic Image
12-03-2009, 3:42 AM
I like my E2D.

Its bright, and not very heavy.

Ravenslair
12-03-2009, 8:47 AM
Depends on how you are mounting it. Based on what rail or hand guard you are using, your body structure, your grip style, type of activation (pressure pad, button, etc), amount you want to spend, LED or not, type of mount you prefer, etc. You should try several out to see what you like. There is no one fix for all.

I run a G2 LED on the Larue 707 mount. On another rifle, I run a 900 series Surefire in their own mount with pressure pad. Both work great.

ArkinDomino
12-03-2009, 11:17 AM
I really like that new mini scout.... But the price is horrendous.

CHS
12-03-2009, 12:43 PM
ANY Surefire is going to be awesome on an AR.

You can save money and get a 6PL and the M78/M79 mount for it. GREAT combo.

You can get an X300/X400 pistol light (X400 has a laser too) and mount it directly to the rail. That's a great lightweight easy option. They're NOT just suitable for pistols.

Or, get the new mini-scout light. Those things are awesome. Rail-mount built in, and a remote switch with pressure pad for operation.

Any one of these three options is "the best", but they have different price ranges to suit different budgets.

raw24
12-03-2009, 1:03 PM
+1 on the X400 for CQB or Home Defense

mik3
12-03-2009, 1:58 PM
G2 LED and G2 Nitrolon w/ 120 lumen bulb. Both are inexpensive but do a great job.

aplinker
12-03-2009, 5:44 PM
I know SOCOM issued scout lights.

Almost anything gets used in the field - including duct-taped maglites.

I think this is the most economical, light-weight, ergonomic and robust system available:
http://www.vikingtactics.com/pop-vtac_surefire_L4.html

It's the scout light in a non-permanent mount, for about 1/2 the price.

brando
12-03-2009, 5:54 PM
When are people going to learn that "best" is a relative term?

CHS
12-03-2009, 5:55 PM
+1 on the X400 for CQB or Home Defense

I know a few special forces guys that swear by the X300.

pratchett
12-03-2009, 6:30 PM
Based primarily on your comments in another thread, UCLAPlinker, I just ordered that VTAC light mount! I think I'll like it. I'm dropping a Surefire G2 (http://www.lapolicegear.com/sug2ni.html) into it, with a future TNVC upgrade (http://tnvc.com/items/illumination_tools/q5_lamp.html) when I get around to it.

aplinker
12-03-2009, 6:48 PM
Based primarily on your comments in another thread, UCLAPlinker, I just ordered that VTAC light mount! I think I'll like it. I'm dropping a Surefire G2 (http://www.lapolicegear.com/sug2ni.html) into it, with a future TNVC upgrade (http://tnvc.com/items/illumination_tools/q5_lamp.html) when I get around to it.

I wouldn't use a high-output LED in the nitrolon bodies - they don't dissipate heat well enough.

Either use the SureFire head (don't be put off by their lumen ratings - they're known to be accurate for actual output and not inflated "chip output.") or use a 6P body.

scootergmc
12-03-2009, 10:03 PM
If you happen to be going to SHOT, check out Novatac. They're up and comers, but they have an excellent product with more in the works...

ArkinDomino
12-03-2009, 10:16 PM
I just did this combo (got in in the mail today)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vltor-Scout-Light-Rail-Mount-for-E-Classic-Series_W0QQitemZ230405989977QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a5446659

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http://cgi.ebay.com/SUREFIRE-EXECUTIVE-DEFENDER-FLASHLIGHT-E2D-BK-NEW_W0QQitemZ350286600807QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item518eb55a67

....its cheaper than the vtac combo too...

Aftermath686
12-03-2009, 10:26 PM
Someone said ED2LED. Good light but not so much for a weapon light just because of different output options which isn't so desirable on a weapon light.

I think by far the best deal out there right now is the VTAC light. Great price. great light. It is basically a Scout light with no built in mount which I don't like anyways. Also you could just get an old E2E or E2D for cheap, then get a KX2C head for it.... and after that if you really wanted you could grab a z68 tailcap and you pretty much have a scout light.

All in all VTAC light is great bang for the buck.

One more thing. Some people say that they cost way to much and what not... You get what you pay for. With Surefire you get not only a great, top of the line light, that will go to hell and back... But also outstanding customer support who will jump through hoops for there customers... No I do not work for them, just a loyal customer.

aplinker
12-03-2009, 10:35 PM
I just did this combo (got in in the mail today)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vltor-Scout-Light-Rail-Mount-for-E-Classic-Series_W0QQitemZ230405989977QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a5446659

+

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUREFIRE-EXECUTIVE-DEFENDER-FLASHLIGHT-E2D-BK-NEW_W0QQitemZ350286600807QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item518eb55a67

....its cheaper than the vtac combo too...

it's not really in the same league.

I've used an E2D and it's not a good choice for a weaponlight. The size is great, the tail cap is not.

The old xenon lights are battery sucking and dim compared to the modern LED heads. The E2 line suffers from weak throw in these models from the small head.

The point of the VTAC light is to take what's important from the scout light (tail cap and head), mate it to the small, light E2 body, and call it a day. You get 200+ lumens, almost 2 hrs of tactical light, a tail cap that reduces accidental discharges & is comfortable to use. It's everything the scout light is except it's missing the rail mounting body - which is good for most of us who need an offset mount.

The VLTOR mount is good, but it lacks the offset. Depending on how you hold your rifle it can be an issue.

It's a matter of looking at what and why with each of the choices out there.

X-NewYawker
12-03-2009, 10:36 PM
+1 on the X400 for CQB or Home Defense

plus M900 for the big jobs.

Saym14
12-03-2009, 10:47 PM
ANY Surefire is going to be awesome on an AR.

You can save money and get a 6PL and the M78/M79 mount for it. GREAT combo.

You can get an X300/X400 pistol light (X400 has a laser too) and mount it directly to the rail. That's a great lightweight easy option. They're NOT just suitable for pistols.

Or, get the new mini-scout light. Those things are awesome. Rail-mount built in, and a remote switch with pressure pad for operation.

Any one of these three options is "the best", but they have different price ranges to suit different budgets.


WHY are they not suitable for pistols?

Aftermath686
12-03-2009, 11:11 PM
it's not really in the same league.

I've used an E2D and it's not a good choice for a weaponlight. The size is great, the tail cap is not.

The old xenon lights are battery sucking and dim compared to the modern LED heads. The E2 line suffers from weak throw in these models from the small head.

The point of the VTAC light is to take what's important from the scout light (tail cap and head), mate it to the small, light E2 body, and call it a day. You get 200+ lumens, almost 2 hrs of tactical light, a tail cap that reduces accidental discharges & is comfortable to use. It's everything the scout light is except it's missing the rail mounting body - which is good for most of us who need an offset mount.

The VLTOR mount is good, but it lacks the offset. Depending on how you hold your rifle it can be an issue.

It's a matter of looking at what and why with each of the choices out there.

Yes on everything, but the 200lumen part. The KX2C is rated at 120 lumens, and yes Surefire is very conservative on there ratings but still its not 200. I am not saying this as a bad thing this as I posted before it is in my eyes one of the best light setups around. BTW a lot of people believe 100-120 lumens is a perfect all around output. In that range one has plenty of throw for outdoors yet when indoors doing CQB if you shine it on a white wall it wont blind you like lights with much higher outputs will.

WHY are they not suitable for pistols?

I believe he meant they are not only suited for pistols... As in they are good on rifles too.

ar15barrels
12-03-2009, 11:56 PM
When are people going to learn that "best" is a relative term?

Never.

CHS
12-04-2009, 7:36 AM
You can get an X300/X400 pistol light (X400 has a laser too) and mount it directly to the rail. That's a great lightweight easy option. They're NOT just suitable for pistols.


WHY are they not suitable for pistols?

Read what I said again. Maybe I put the emphasis on the wrong word. I meant that they are not just for pistols. The X300's are suitable for rifles as well.