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lowracer
12-01-2009, 7:49 PM
This thread is closed.

gun toting monkeyboy
12-01-2009, 7:54 PM
I think they look interesting. Once I get through the current batch of project guns, I'll probably pick one up to play with.

The Director
12-01-2009, 7:54 PM
This thread is for the discussion of the new Hammerhead Rifle Stock Adapter, experiments, feedback, bad photoshop hacks, buttstocks and extension tubes and other stuff you'd like to try.

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6900_SM.JPG

I'll kick it off with something that was requested the other day...

ACE ARUL-E and a Hammerhead flying solo:
http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6950.JPG

I'm diggin' the lower picture. Looks like something I'd own.

MonsterMan
12-01-2009, 8:25 PM
This set up is a great way to go. I have been doing this with a modified mmg and you really have good control of the rifle. The only thing is the safety isn't right at your thumbs reach but it isn't hard to reach it. I like it.

Lateralus
12-03-2009, 10:24 AM
http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6946_CR2.JPG

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/mc03steve/DEMOT1.JPG

I don't know if I'm looking at a rifle or a shovel:confused:

Nothing against you, but I prefer the U-15.

till44
12-03-2009, 12:43 PM
I like the idea but the grip doesn't look ergonomic at all. It looks bulky and heavy. Make it actually look like something you would expect a handle/grip to look like and I think it's a good idea for CA. I also think the stock placement just doesn't work for quality shooting. It places the bore over your shoulder, all the recoil should be driving against your shoulder if you want to have control of the gun. I have an MMG, slightly modded/trimmed, with a locked CTR that provides good ergonomics, access to fire controls (with ambi safety), and normal placement of the stock.

MikeR
12-03-2009, 5:57 PM
I like the way it looks when used as a grip only, same angles as the u-15 without the fuglyness. No offense to the u-15 but that thing is butt ugly.

Bigballaizm
12-03-2009, 6:01 PM
I also think it looks ok. I would like to hold it & get a feel of it.

Jicko
12-03-2009, 6:04 PM
the one in your OP looks the best.... and probably will feel the best once you add back the foam tube over the metal tube....

pratchett
12-03-2009, 6:22 PM
I think you should bring a rifle outfitted with your device to a gun show and let everybody fondle it and slobber over it, if they pledge to write a note in a future "review" thread of yours after the gun show.

WeekendWarrior
12-03-2009, 6:44 PM
WWRTW

Seesm
12-03-2009, 9:59 PM
I think it is cool your doing something different and pushing the envelope as weekend warrior said above like the MMG guy and then Grants U-15 stock.

I have a grip I have slowy been working on and I will let some try it I hope soon. It will give some other options... Which is what we all need. (from all of us) Good stuff.

Keep pushing...

till44
12-05-2009, 12:32 PM
Watch that charging handle when you go to rack it then!j/k I like this look, angle the grip a bit and it would look real balanced and smooth.

gn3hz3ku1*
12-05-2009, 7:41 PM
first i would like to thank a guy in the free state of texas who wants to work on parts for us CA guys.

second: might make sense to take some pics of you holding it to give people here a better idea because from the first look.. it doesn't look so comfy.

xbolt338
12-05-2009, 8:28 PM
Absolutely love it!!! will be using on my first featureless build!!! Thanks for keeping us California detainee's in mind.:D

Peter W Bush
12-05-2009, 8:53 PM
Free-staters could go to a post-apocalyptic thumbhole configuration if desired by adding the right amount of plumbing and just bolting it all together:

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6946_CR2.JPG

If those pipes are connected then it would be a thumbhole stock and must not have a detachable mag.

kf6tac
12-05-2009, 8:59 PM
Definitely. I did write in the post that it was for free-staters only but I should fix that photo. Hang on a sec and I'll edit that photo to clarify...

Hell, if it's post-apocalyptic, everything is a free state as long as you have the ammo to back it up.

unusedusername
12-05-2009, 10:44 PM
Can you post a picture of this with a standard A2 stock? (Would it fit?)

Spyder
12-06-2009, 5:31 AM
...this is the first I've seen of this stock, guess I gotta go do some research. I think its got great potential and want to see/feel/shoot it! If you do the range tour, definitely let me know!

...lots of questions, but I'll go check ou tthe exilemachine.com website to see if it answers 'em!

slappomatt
12-06-2009, 7:36 AM
would it be possible to have the stock mount a little higher without touching the buffer tube. seems like the higher the stock mount the better it would shoot and probably look as well. JMO

series8217
12-06-2009, 12:38 PM
That is pretty cool.

bwiese
12-06-2009, 12:41 PM
Have you said thanks for the hard work by Grant Early (Toolbox_X) for his innovative California Rifles' U15 design, of which your product is a derivative?

wash
12-06-2009, 2:39 PM
With the U-15 being out of production, I don't think he has any obligation. I just hope he can recoup his costs before the AWB goes away.

I think the receiver mounted stock versions are the best configuration and a plastic version without the threads for a buffer tube would be cheaper and sell better.

Spyder
12-06-2009, 3:09 PM
Wash, Bill's right...
And I still love my U-15 that I picked up from Grant's garage! :D

Phireglass
12-06-2009, 3:44 PM
I think this thing is disgusting:ack2:, but... to each his own

ChrisO
12-06-2009, 4:00 PM
I think it looks pretty bad and is a good alternative I like MMG's with A2 stocks but the U-15 I just thought was plain hideous compared to this.

MikeR
12-07-2009, 4:50 PM
I think the receiver mounted stock versions are the best configuration and a plastic version without the threads for a buffer tube would be cheaper and sell better.

That's exactly what i said to Mark via PM.

I think it looks pretty bad and is a good alternative I like MMG's with A2 stocks but the U-15 I just thought was plain hideous compared to this.

I agree, badass! Even through i haven't held one im calling this the best featureless grip on the market, The ability to place your thumb over the grip makes it hands down the best without the fuglyness of a U-15 (no offense) when used as a grip only. I hope i don't have to eat my words when i get my Hammerhead, but im more than hopeful. My only concern is the weight added to my already bloated rifle.

The version wash talked about and i mentioned to Mark would be the ultimate for me and others im sure. Im looking forward to what Exile has in store for us featureless guys!

Rule .308
12-10-2009, 6:35 PM
I got mine in the mail today and was suprised at how heavy it was, while a polymer one would be nice you can bet it well cost a pretty penny to tool up an injection mould set up to do them. I had a gun related widget that I once considered bringing to market but after a long conversation with Gerald of Penguin FAL humpback stock fame I decided that the costs of an injection mold set up and the headache involved far out weighed the benefits.

My go to lower is set up with a U15 and I agree with many folks in that it will never win any beauty contests but this is a case of form follows function. Not only does the u15 function, it functions very well. I will build up my Hammerhead this weekend in a couple of configurations and see what I like the best.

Keep up the good work.

DarkHorse
12-12-2009, 9:07 PM
I got mine yesterday, and got around to installing it today, along w/a Magpul trigger guard. I haven't taken it out yet, so none of my comments refelct any range handling.

The grip itself seemed well-made, and it would definitely suck to get beaned with one. The fit was a little off, as the small rise along the top ran into the receiver too early, so the grip is slightly tilted, resulting in a slight gap of about 1/32" at the back. This is not enough to angle the grip significantly, and since this rifle won't be entered into any beauty contests, I don't see it as a major issue.

I don't have huge hands, so I have to do a slight shift in my grip to reach the mag release. However, I think this may be more due to my stock of choice, as my fingertip just barely reaches the edge of the button, but my ACE M4 SOCOM stock (fixed in place, of course) has a 1/2" collar in place of a typical 1/16" sling plate. Also, that collar has some sharp edges which could cause some comfort issues. I believe that could be said for any plate, though.

Reaching the safety with my firing thumb is not going to happen, and I don't have an ambi safety, so I just slide my firing hand underneath the trigger guard to flip the lever with my middle finger, and it seems to work well for now.

Overall, I'd say I'm happy with the feel of the grip. The only issue I had that would be related to the grip itself was the fitment issue, but with all of the different lower manufacturers out there, I'm sure this is bound to happen.

Gratuitous gun pr0n - Kaiser Defense KR-5 lower, ACE M4 SOCOM buttstock (adjustability removed!), DPMS LPK, Noveske 16" Recce Basic upper w/VTAC handguard, PWS TTO comp, Rubbermaid laundry hamper
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt13/DarkHorse_bucket/Firearms/Hammerhead001.jpg

ETA - You know, it'd be neat to have a little cap for the back of the grip, so it could be used for storage by those of us that don't use it to mount the stock. Maybe long enough to fit a pair of CR123's or a spare bolt.

X-NewYawker
12-12-2009, 10:23 PM
I think I'll make mine with a SHORT A2 stock -- could it be installed upside down?

Addax
12-13-2009, 11:12 AM
Rock River Arms makes a nice entry stock that fits properly. You'll run into the buffer tube if you go upside down with it though. Try it right side up first see how you like the feel. Most people who've shot it prefer the right side up stock.
http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6965.JPG

Gunsmoke Enterprises makes a really short pistol tube that may fit with the A2 inverted stock but I think you'd have trouble getting that tube to cycle properly with a carbine or rifle length upper. It might even be dangerous. It's made for AR pistols.

That is one of the configurations I was thinking about running with my mid-length upper.

Decisions Decisions...

Once I get the full production unit you shipped out to me, I will get a configuration together so I can show all the local Calguns guys up here in SFV.

Thanks for making a product for CA.

Regards,
Chris

DarkHorse
12-13-2009, 12:48 PM
I got a better picture of the small gap I was talking about.
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt13/DarkHorse_bucket/Firearms/Hammerhead017.jpg

I also tried it on my Stag-15 with similar results; the gap was still there, but it was smaller.
It looks like the portion of the lower that interferes has a flat edge, and the grip has a radiused edge.

Can you post a picture of this with a standard A2 stock? (Would it fit?)

This grip will not work with an A2 stock in the normal position; you can't just replace your grip and call it a day like with a MonsterMan.
Also, consider that this grip moves the vertical mounting plane of the buttstock back ~2.75 inches, so the LOP with an A2 stock would be rather long.
A typical A2 is 13.5 from the face of the trigger, whereas this grip would make it a touch over 17 inches.

gn3hz3ku1*
12-13-2009, 5:18 PM
thanks for taking care of the CA guys.. please tell the texas guys to sell to us when you are out there shooting with them.

sevensix2x51
12-15-2009, 12:47 PM
but also spreading the word that you are not the enemy, that you're outnumbered and trapped behind a wall of liberal / socialist BS and you could use our cooperation (including shipping of firearms and ammo) to help beat this crap back and keep it from spreading.

WOLVERINES!!!

sorry, had to do it.

thanks for helping us out, youre alright, for a deserter. :D

glock_this
12-15-2009, 12:57 PM
I admit that I can't say I am a fan of going this featureless route and would not ever likely, BUT that being said, this is the best execution of the concept I have seen hands down. More modular than the others and in my book, that alone makes it come out on top as options are always good.

you should get Ten Percent FA (http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=ar15) to update his page and add your photo and info :)

Chaingun
12-17-2009, 4:55 AM
I got mine yesterday, and got around to installing it today, along w/a Magpul trigger guard. I haven't taken it out yet, so none of my comments refelct any range handling.

The grip itself seemed well-made, and it would definitely suck to get beaned with one. The fit was a little off, as the small rise along the top ran into the receiver too early, so the grip is slightly tilted, resulting in a slight gap of about 1/32" at the back. This is not enough to angle the grip significantly, and since this rifle won't be entered into any beauty contests, I don't see it as a major issue.

I don't have huge hands, so I have to do a slight shift in my grip to reach the mag release. However, I think this may be more due to my stock of choice, as my fingertip just barely reaches the edge of the button, but my ACE M4 SOCOM stock (fixed in place, of course) has a 1/2" collar in place of a typical 1/16" sling plate. Also, that collar has some sharp edges which could cause some comfort issues. I believe that could be said for any plate, though.

Reaching the safety with my firing thumb is not going to happen, and I don't have an ambi safety, so I just slide my firing hand underneath the trigger guard to flip the lever with my middle finger, and it seems to work well for now.

Overall, I'd say I'm happy with the feel of the grip. The only issue I had that would be related to the grip itself was the fitment issue, but with all of the different lower manufacturers out there, I'm sure this is bound to happen.

Gratuitous gun pr0n - Kaiser Defense KR-5 lower, ACE M4 SOCOM buttstock (adjustability removed!), DPMS LPK, Noveske 16" Recce Basic upper w/VTAC handguard, PWS TTO comp, Rubbermaid laundry hamper
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt13/DarkHorse_bucket/Firearms/Hammerhead001.jpg

ETA - You know, it'd be neat to have a little cap for the back of the grip, so it could be used for storage by those of us that don't use it to mount the stock. Maybe long enough to fit a pair of CR123's or a spare bolt.

I'm wondering if that bump were removed, your hands web could slide into that region, and be a bit closer to the mag release.

I might have to try one, and probably have longer fingers than yours, which would allow easier access to the mag release.

That or modify a MM grip, or for hahas, mold one out of clay and build a mold for injection molding. But these take time, and this is already done. A possible lunch project.

DarkHorse
12-17-2009, 9:20 AM
I'm wondering if that bump were removed, your hands web could slide into that region, and be a bit closer to the mag release.

I might have to try one, and probably have longer fingers than yours, which would allow easier access to the mag release.

That or modify a MM grip, or for hahas, mold one out of clay and build a mold for injection molding. But these take time, and this is already done. A possible lunch project.

The collar is the only thing making the mag release difficult for me. I tried it w/o the collar, and it was fine. The collar is about 1/2 inch, and I can just barely touch the edge of the button; not enough to drop a mag, though. I ordered an Arrendondo mag release (http://www.arredondoaccessories.com/category.cfm?cid=1004,2009&PID=fc26q3248azeat&GID=) from Midway (C&R discount!), and I think that will solve the problem.

TheRossRocket
12-20-2009, 6:25 PM
More photos from the TGT Range Day, these of the Tactical Bay's Range Officer:

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_7124.JPG

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_7133.JPG

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_7136.JPG

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_7138.JPG

The Range Officer was the only shooter I've talked to (who's actually held the gun) who preferred the stock to be in the inverted position.

Edit to add: No one complained about any muzzle rise due to the stock being off-axis from the barrel. We put about 200 rounds through it today including some rapid fire and kept 'em all on target. Had to sit through two hot/cold range cycles to let the barrel cool down enough to bag it up.



I think the idea is great! but could one of you help me solve something?

If you look at the second picture, look at the web of his hand! It is now under the top of the exposed part of the trigger!:eek:

(maby its just the angle but that still brings the question to my mind)

Any one have input on whether or not that is going to cause a problem with the whole pistol grip thing?

Bhobbs
12-20-2009, 7:40 PM
That is definitely an awesome product I may have to look into for my 2nd AR build but it amazes me we have to find these creative ways to enjoy our rights as Americans. Can you imagine if we had to jump through so many hoops to use a computer or telephone. Those were not around during the time when the 1st amendment was made so the Founders certainly could have never imagined them being made.

SlowArrow
01-01-2010, 8:03 PM
Cool colors.......is the price the same?

dcbiii
01-01-2010, 9:42 PM
1) Coming from the machining world, I doubt (no matter how tight your tools\machines tun) that you'll ever get rid of that gap. Too many different receiver manufacturers, different radii on that rear face, and different polishing\bead-beadblasting. The fact that you got it that close without fit issues is a feat in itself. :D

2) I have always, always, always loathed featureless builds because of how hideous the grip options were....this changes everything. Now considering a featureless build because of this product! :cool2:

SlowArrow
01-01-2010, 10:57 PM
1) Coming from the machining world, I doubt (no matter how tight your tools\machines tun) that you'll ever get rid of that gap. Too many different receiver manufacturers, different radii on that rear face, and different polishing\bead-beadblasting. The fact that you got it that close without fit issues is a feat in itself. :D

Most of the areas that result in the gaps I'm guessing are "as forged" (they just have to clean up the forging flash) and there will be a slight difference in each forging. I would think that the CNC blocks that make the Hammerhead are going to be much more repeatable. Gaps happen - and there is nothing our exiled friend can do about them.

2) I have always, always, always loathed featureless builds because of how hideous the grip options were....this changes everything. Now considering a featureless build because of this product! :cool2:

I'm in the same boat as you.....didn't want to build a featureless because they just seemed awkward. BB are fine to punch holes in paper, or plink around, but I would like to take a carbine course or two and the fast mag changes would be a plus there (at least it seems to me). I also have a lot of Hi-Cap Mags and would love to be able to use them. So I've started a featureless build. I've already bought a MMG, and a Solar Tactical - and now I'm about to order up a HH. Figure I'll try all three and see what one works best for me......but I'm thinking the HH will be the one. I've already ordered the ACE stock and RRA pistol tube, so I'm kinda leaning in a direction.:rolleyes:

Flat Broke
01-06-2010, 9:48 PM
I think the idea is great! but could one of you help me solve something?

If you look at the second picture, look at the web of his hand! It is now under the top of the exposed part of the trigger!:eek:

(maby its just the angle but that still brings the question to my mind)

Any one have input on whether or not that is going to cause a problem with the whole pistol grip thing?

Definitely gray area stuff. IMHO it's completely defensible with expert witness testimony that can disect the meaning of PC 12276.1 & CCR 11 5469 (d). Basically, would you shoot a pistol with that grasp? NO, so it's defensible the grasp shown in the second pic is not a "pistol style grasp". It's pretty safe to say that a pistol style grasp occurs with the web of the hand around the backstrap of the grip.

As far as feedback to lowracer, I still say you should try a program for people who want to run a std ACE type stock and don't need the hammerhead to accomodate a buffer tube. Something more streamlined that still averts a pistol grasp but is less obtuse looking. JMHO

Chris

mds2004
01-15-2010, 4:23 PM
Here are two more pictures to add if you were to fix a collapsable stock. Note that I have the Raddlock in still and in the locked position because of the stock is not fixed and because of the PWS FSC556. I just wanted to see how it would feel. I will write more on it later but wanted to throw some pictures of the grip now. I will put more pictures up when I can get someone else to take a picture of me and the few different ways I like to hold it.

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac204/mds2004/AR15/IMG_1794.jpg
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac204/mds2004/AR15/IMG_1793.jpg

mds2004
01-20-2010, 6:33 PM
Nice photos. Would like to feature those on a "customer photos" page on our website. What scope is that?

Sure go ahead and use em. Its a Nikon Buckmaster scope.

TZL
01-30-2010, 3:13 PM
just got my Hammerhead in FDE, thanks !

its a bit heavy, but definately very smooth and ergonomic, and one solid piece !

X-NewYawker
01-30-2010, 4:00 PM
Doing my build soon. Bad times over the holidays. illness. A funeral. Soon.

bluthandwerk
02-01-2010, 10:48 PM
Any idea how the Hammerhead would work with the Troy M14 MCS chassis (http://store.troyind.com/MCS_Modular_Chassis_p/scha-mcs-c0bt-00.htm)? I'm thinking of updating my M1A Scout, and would like to keep it featureless.

It's designed to take regular AR pistol grips and stocks, so I think it should work, but I was curious if you knew of anyone who had successfully installed it.

Just sent in an order for a Hammerhead, if it doesn't work out on the Troy, I can always use it on my featureless AR.

Fred C Dobbs
02-01-2010, 11:42 PM
You mean like this?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/JCHiggins/FullLTdiag.jpg

crazy
02-11-2010, 4:38 PM
What is the position of the Calguns Foundation on the Hammerhead? If someone had their gun confiscated, would they help out?

frigginchi
02-11-2010, 4:53 PM
Can you make them in Delrin? and without the buffer tube attachment?

frigginchi
02-13-2010, 10:13 PM
I wasn't clear. I'd like what you have, just made out of Delrin or some other suitable plastic without the buffer tube drilled out.


Who knows what the future might bring, if the aluminum Hammerheads continue to sell well...

I've got experimental "stubby" Hammerheads in my little shop of horrors where I've hacked the entire rear threaded portion off. It still feels good as a grip. These would require additional work by the end user either by file (or Dremel) and then sanding and painting or duracoating. I doubt these would ever be a product but I wouldn't rule it out if there was sufficient demand.

If I decide to sell off some of these "stubby" experimenter's grips they'll likely be put up on Gunbroker for under a buck.

Flat Broke
02-13-2010, 10:30 PM
Who knows what the future might bring, if the aluminum Hammerheads continue to sell well...

I've got experimental "stubby" Hammerheads in my little shop of horrors where I've hacked the entire rear threaded portion off. It still feels good as a grip. These would require additional work by the end user either by file (or Dremel) and then sanding and painting or duracoating. I doubt these would ever be a product but I wouldn't rule it out if there was sufficient demand.

If I decide to sell off some of these "stubby" experimenter's grips they'll likely be put up on Gunbroker for under a buck.

If you decide to sell any of these, shoot me a PM. I had asked a couple pages back about doing what was just requested with regard to a grip with no buffer tube provision. Out of nylon reinforced polymer, or delrin, etc, would be cool too. Basically something for those of us who run pinned carbine type stocks where there would be room to get your thumb between the traditional buffer tube and your product. If I had more time, I'd do one up outa clay/bondo to give you dimensions or let you SLA a program from.

Seriously, if you want to unload some of your frankenstein stubby prototypes, shoot me a PM.

Chris

slappomatt
02-14-2010, 8:56 AM
yeah it seems if you are CNC'ing them that machining out of delrin would be a snap. even if you made the same exact thing with a stock hole and all it would be pretty strong and be lighter (I would think)

holiday
02-17-2010, 12:22 PM
ugly is all i can say...but i guess functional

what exactly is the purpose?

CHS
02-17-2010, 2:19 PM
what exactly is the purpose?

Detachable hi-cap magazines.

AlexDD
02-17-2010, 6:27 PM
Time for a little freak show:

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_8018_C.JPG

A peek behind the curtain in my little shop of horrors.

Interesting. Have you shot it like that yet?

X-NewYawker
02-17-2010, 7:13 PM
Interesting. Have you shot it like that yet?

It looks like you could almost get your thumb up there -- what is the most "legaL" looking configuration? I have my exile grip for a magazine writeup I just haven't gotten a gun and the stock parts yet.

Dragunov
02-20-2010, 11:51 AM
I think this thing is disgusting:ack2:, but... to each his own

True, I'll stick with my BB. I have no need to drop a mag that fast nor do I really need more than one shot at a time. If SHTF, or for "out of state" shooting, I can either re-install my original mag release in a hurry or just give my radlock a few turns. However, I love the innovative ideas shooters have come up with to follow the letter of the law! Simply genious! Thought about working on something myself.

NICE job guys!! :):D

corrupt
02-22-2010, 1:41 AM
Awesome.

xaaronx
02-22-2010, 2:45 AM
I handled one the other day, it feels way more natural than it looks. Ill be staying with my current evil setup, but I was surprised at how comfortable it was.

youpock
02-22-2010, 1:25 PM
We're looking for a dealer in the Bay Area. PM or email if you know a reputable arms merchant who doesn't faint at the sight of fully functional black rifles.

I know this quote is from almost two months ago & I know you guys got that deal with the tracy shop but what about J&R's in livermore? Tracy's def on the outskirts of the bay; livermore is a little accessible from the east and south bays.

Just a thought, the gunbroker auction for my fde hammerhead is almost closed! :D

migz
02-22-2010, 3:38 PM
Can't wait to see a customer post up a photo with an FDE unit on a rifle.

give me a couple days and I'll have mine put together

migz
02-22-2010, 5:07 PM
I'm thinking an upside down ace stock on the back of the hammerhead, and a pistol buffer

youpock
02-22-2010, 9:15 PM
Those FDE and OD units are very nice. Technique did an awesome job on the Duracoating. No plans to do any more of those, and only a few left. Can't wait to see a customer post up a photo with an FDE unit on a rifle.

Once I get all my parts together I'm going to see if he'll do some parts of my stock and eotech. I love the dark earth stuff

corrupt
02-24-2010, 1:03 PM
I'm thinking an upside down ace stock on the back of the hammerhead, and a pistol buffer

It would be cool if you did this and them put some kind of lightweight sleeve over the pistol spring buffer to fill in some of the space between it and the ace stock under it without the two touching (so it wouldn't create a thumbhole stock). You could even fashion it like a vltor emod so you have a better cheek weld.

Speaking of which, perhaps I'm crazy but has anyone taken maybe a emod stock on the shortest setting and a inverted ace stock on bottom that would act as the real buttstock? I know I'm crazy, thanks!

youpock
02-24-2010, 8:38 PM
I think I see what you're getting at. Why not just use a (pinned, non-collapsible) EMOD stock attached to the back of the receiver in the normal place and use the Hammerhead as a grip? (Type III Configuration (http://www.exilemachine.com/gallery.html))

Something like this bad photoshop job?
http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_8130_EMOD.JPG

That config would allow for storage in the stock; definitely would move the pou of the rifle towards tactical/field instead of sport/hunting.

corrupt
02-24-2010, 9:32 PM
Damn that looks good.

youpock
02-26-2010, 7:32 PM
Just out of curiosity, how come all the mock-up configs only have iron sights?

youpock
02-27-2010, 10:10 AM
I like iron sights and I cannot lie...:D

haha!

youpock
03-02-2010, 8:54 PM
how about a teaser?

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a284/Nmyspace/IMG_3508.jpg

youpock
03-03-2010, 9:59 PM
Nice looking FDE unit. Only have one of those left... What other parts are you going to use that are FDE? Can't wait to see the completed rifle.

I have a foam pistol tube for the back and a shorty ace stock for the grip. I initially wanted to have the pistol tube and part of the stock duracoated but now I'm on the fence. I think the shorty stock might be too short for my liking but I need to tinker around with it first.

I have a bush 20" upper that I want to get a dd rail for but that is going to need to wait a little while. I bought another 1911 the other day so the wife is a little antsy about larger purchases.

I got a fake can for the front and I'm debating as to whether or not I want to duracoat the barrel; I was thinking it might look pretty sweet with the black rail and can but fde barrel. Also want to have the outside of my eotech done in fde and I got some backup sites in fde as well. I'm mostly just waiting for the remaining stuff to show up so I can decide on my configuration before I have the stuff duracoated.

CHS
03-08-2010, 8:53 AM
Customer photo gallery has been posted to our website. Thanks for the photos. We still need someone to send us a photo of a Type II Configuration (stock mounted to Hammerhead, inverted). Photos are currently posted anonymously to protect the innocent but if you'd like photo credit, send a PM or email with how you want to be credited (name, calguns ID, email, etc).

http://www.exilemachine.com/customer_gallery.html

http://www.exilemachine.com/images/customer_photos/CP003.JPG

Ummmmm, why does that one have a bullet button on it?

bombadillo
04-07-2010, 8:03 AM
Is that pic inverted, or is the detent spring hole drilled on the opposite side?

(Sorry if this has been answered, I was lazy and didn't read the whole thread)

bombadillo
04-07-2010, 8:32 AM
http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6900_SM.JPG

This one.

Again, or am I just being Wee Todd It.

bombadillo
04-07-2010, 8:37 AM
Nope, it was just me being retarded. I couldn't get it out of my mind that the detent was on the other side for some reason......and getting more coffee.

gun toting monkeyboy
04-07-2010, 10:50 AM
You are used to seeing the detent spring hole on the other side because you normally hold the receiver upside-down when you are installing the detent spring into it. So it looks like it should be on the other side to you. I do the same thing when I look at them. ;)

I just ordered one of the plastic ones. I can't wait to try it out.

corrupt
04-08-2010, 7:42 PM
I love you.

NicolasP
04-11-2010, 12:15 PM
Really cool, great pictures

Sespe
04-11-2010, 6:49 PM
BTW if you are interested in an aluminum unit now or some time in the future, don't wait to order. Only 2 units left. 1 Black and 1 FDE.

Wow. I must have gotten the 2nd to last black one. Does that make it special?

(It's for my wife's rifle, I'm going to tell her it's special anyway...)

Flying Bones
04-16-2010, 8:11 PM
Wow...great mod, great work to get the price so affordable! I'll be getting one!

Safonator
04-16-2010, 11:27 PM
Any poly stubby's avail?

Sh00tFurst
04-16-2010, 11:42 PM
I can dig it. I'm highly considering this for the next build.

corrupt
04-17-2010, 12:43 AM
Any poly stubby's avail?

I can't answer your question cause I have no idea, but I ordered with thinking that if I wanted to, I could just cut it myself with a grinder or a dremel.

1Fastrider
04-19-2010, 3:21 PM
Just placed my order. Looking forward to it

youpock
04-22-2010, 6:24 PM
we need a block for the hole in these bad boys

youpock
04-22-2010, 9:27 PM
Yea, I figured I'll tinker with a plug option once my polymer comes. It would be nice to squish some 123's inside of it.

Deadpool
04-28-2010, 11:32 AM
Just got mine in the mail and installed it yesterday. Looks cool and it feels great! Great product and great price. Can't wait to shoot it this weekend. Keep up the good work!

gun toting monkeyboy
04-28-2010, 1:31 PM
I had pre-ordered one of the polymer ones in FDE. I got a package from the earlier this week with a black one in it. I contacted them to find out what was going on. I was told to keep the black one with their compliments, and the FDE one will be arriving when it is ready. :D Now THAT is customer service. Kudos to Exile Machine.

-Mb

crazy
04-30-2010, 9:46 AM
Haven't been on Calguns in a while. Did I understand right? You are no longer making the aluminum adapters?

Chaingun
05-06-2010, 9:19 AM
I had pre-ordered one of the polymer ones in FDE. I got a package from the earlier this week with a black one in it. I contacted them to find out what was going on. I was told to keep the black one with their compliments, and the FDE one will be arriving when it is ready. :D Now THAT is customer service. Kudos to Exile Machine.

-Mb

I also received the black and was thinking they would also be sending the FDE, and you just confirmed it.


Thanks:jump:

crazy
05-06-2010, 3:50 PM
The aluminum Hammerhead has been discontinued. I have a few remaining in stock, new and used. PM or email if interested.


I already have one. I got it from you. Rifle is finished.

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6425/ar20.jpg

Deadpool
05-09-2010, 11:53 AM
Here it is,
Stag lower
Stag 1H upper
Tapco stock pinned with a 1/8" tension pin (See pic)
Hammerhead polymer grip adapter
C Product mag riveted at 10 rds.
Homemade sling (Approx $2.60:D)
Bullet button still installed till I get my new muzzle break installed.
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af32/Deadpool799/IMG_1246.jpg
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af32/Deadpool799/IMG_1242.jpg
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af32/Deadpool799/Tensionpin.jpg

Sespe
05-09-2010, 3:49 PM
Your stock pin job looks much better than mine. What muzzle brake do you have on it?

Deadpool
05-09-2010, 8:40 PM
I am picking up a Stag Comp 5.56mm Muzzle Brake, it should be installed soon. Then the bullet button will be coming off for good!

Seesm
05-09-2010, 8:49 PM
YOu have Pm I want 1 or two aluminum units..

Deadpool
05-09-2010, 8:54 PM
Thanks, my stock pinning turned out pretty good. I got the idea from this thread...
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=295821
Except I only used one tension pin. It felt strong enough to smash a door open so I figured it was good to go.

Deadpool
05-13-2010, 7:13 AM
UPS just brought me my RRA pistol tube and Entry Stock. I will try to get some pictures of the new setup tonight.

ale014
05-22-2010, 6:31 PM
are you guys still going to do the grip in FDE or was it just a test run/ limited run? (didn't read the entire thread so not sure, did see a post about not taking any more pre orders hence the confusion)

i plan on doing a featureless build in the future and i like planing ahead =]
so i hope that FDE stays and maybe you guys can try all the other tacticool colors!..imagine OD,UDE, pink, plum, red, blue, white... LOL jk about the pink! ;)


ugly is all i can say...but i guess functional

what exactly is the purpose?

i like the look of the hammerhead, its different, and i can wrap my thumb around it!

ale014
05-23-2010, 1:51 AM
Great, thanks for the answers. i can't imagine trying to get all the colors mixed right for the FDE that magpul has, but i think it'd be worth all the trouble! magpul does have a good color scheme going. well keep up the good work! and i can't wait until the FDE is all worked out.

Agro
05-28-2010, 8:03 AM
Is it purely asthetics that some people like the look of the anodized aluminum over the polymer as to why you might want to get one of the last alumnum ones now rather than the polymer? Also if I planned on running a collapsible stock still why would I want to choose (or NOT choose) the stubby thing you sell. It seems the color will be off, requires painting, but its less "in the way"?

You can now follow us on Twitter! Twitter's good for technical support as well as pre-sales questions. We respond as close to real time as possible. http://twitter.com/exilemachine.

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Updates, specials, tech support, all available on these sites as well as good old fashioned telephone and email.

Remember we do have the Memorial Day Sale going this weekend. 27th - 31st. A few anodized CNC milled aluminum parts left in black and FDE, new and used, we're dealing on those as well, tweet us if interested.

Agro
05-28-2010, 9:02 AM
Yes, I am clear on the evil features and the law and would know that the stock needs to be pinned properly. Thank you though, its always better to be repeat (as to make sure to be clear) rather than to have someone get in trouble with LEO.

It sounds like I will want a stubby. I don't have an AR right now that I can go featureless yet on, but will soon. I'll order at some point in the near future.

Thanks.
Some could be doing it for aesthetics, though the polymer Hammerhead's coloring and matte finish more closely matches the finish of most lowers. The number one reason to pick up a discontinued aluminum product would be for recoil reduction. Other customers have rifles with very heavy front ends, long bull barrels and plenty of glass up front, so they want a counterweight in the back.



Just to be clear, you'd have to pin that collapsible stock... The color's not different on the grip-only mods we sell. It's essentially the same material as the standard polymer Hammerhead. Painting's optional. Mainly customers will choose to paint if they decide to sand the cut-off area to really smooth it out. We just do a quick cut and file off the raspy edges.

Primary reasons to go for the sawed-off modified version include:
1) lower cost
2) you're sure you'll never want to go with a Type I or II configuration
3) lighter weight (only 1oz more than the A2 pistol grip),
4) wrap-around grip with the lowest deviation from the appearance of a pistol-gripped rifle

There could be other reasons.