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technique
12-01-2009, 3:53 PM
Pics to come...should be out in Dec!
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/AFG_9-1.jpg

evollep3
12-01-2009, 4:01 PM
? lol

fcr
12-01-2009, 4:02 PM
Audio Visual Forward Grip ?

Bug Splat
12-01-2009, 4:03 PM
What? What kind of release? Bolt? Mag?

reidnez
12-01-2009, 4:03 PM
LOL...great info, Tech!

:clap:

jrau13
12-01-2009, 4:03 PM
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=124&t=182094

technique
12-01-2009, 4:04 PM
Sorry, sent off an E-mail to get one....:D

technique
12-01-2009, 4:05 PM
Angled forward grip...

They posted up that the first 30 people to post in a thread and send an e-mail would get one free to try....so I made it in #17!!!! :D

fcr
12-01-2009, 4:05 PM
Just read the other thread.

glock_this
12-01-2009, 4:06 PM
you got beat to the punch by 25 minutes :)

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=245755

technique
12-01-2009, 4:06 PM
Any lightfighter members might wanna head over....they still have free ones left!!!

technique
12-01-2009, 4:07 PM
you got beat to the punch by 25 minutes :)

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=245755

Did he tell you where to go to get a free one?:43:

shark92651
12-01-2009, 4:10 PM
It looks like a MonsterMan grip mounted up front!

Bug Splat
12-01-2009, 4:14 PM
DAMN! I missed out :(

technique
12-01-2009, 4:16 PM
DAMN! I missed out :(

still more spots...go!

stphnman20
12-01-2009, 4:16 PM
interesting.....

Bug Splat
12-01-2009, 4:21 PM
still more spots...go!

Link says they got their 30 :(

trashman
12-01-2009, 4:22 PM
So if this isn't considered a fore-grip, does that mean I can use it on my AR-15 pistol without triggering AOW status?

--Neill

technique
12-01-2009, 4:22 PM
? lol

...

technique
12-01-2009, 4:24 PM
Link says they got their 30 :(

you went to the ARF link....not the right forum.

glock_this
12-01-2009, 4:24 PM
Did he tell you where to go to get a free one?:43:

IF they follow that thread post as they say, I was #23 and sent my details off... so I should be in :)

it is now closed

evollep3
12-01-2009, 4:25 PM
damnit lol #32

jdberger
12-01-2009, 4:26 PM
"strait" ???

rkt88edmo
12-01-2009, 4:29 PM
Its like an MMG for your forerail :)

Next step, integrate a front sight? Then you can be carrying a b/up fixed frontsight? and if you run it as your primary frontsight but have to flip your AR upside down your AFG will be at the ready :sorcerer:

evollep3
12-01-2009, 4:29 PM
You posted....but go post an intro!!!!! NOw!!!! OR get shatted on..
Post here ASAP!!
http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5436084761/m/2031049741

done!

technique
12-01-2009, 4:30 PM
For those of you that made it in....

Make your intos ASAP at the link I gave you above.
If you just joined you NEED to do that. I know we have a few members from here there already....

technique
12-01-2009, 4:32 PM
Yup...its done!!!!


Congrats if you got one.
If not LF.net is a great forum so enjoy it!

glock_this
12-01-2009, 4:32 PM
For those of you that made it in....

Make your intos ASAP at the link I gave you above.
If you just joined you NEED to do that. I know we have a few members from here there already....

huh? what you talkin bout?

technique
12-01-2009, 4:35 PM
huh? what you talkin bout?

If you posted on lightfighter....where they had open spots left. (a few from here did)

You HAVE to intro yourself! Or you get the ban stick....and the mods there will rape you. A few guys registered and posted that they would take a AFG.

Those guys need to post in the intro section....or they are going to be raped. They know who they are...

fcr
12-01-2009, 4:39 PM
I intro'ed myself, I didn't see where they were giving away free PuuPuu's or anything. What did I miss? jk

reidnez
12-01-2009, 4:43 PM
Looks like something I might be willing to try...but most of the pics show it mounted all the way forward. I've never known anyone who shoots that way, but hey...whatever works I guess.

evollep3
12-01-2009, 4:45 PM
i think it will do good on pistols

fcr
12-01-2009, 4:47 PM
I like that place, thanks for the Heads up Technique.

xibunkrlilkidsx
12-01-2009, 4:54 PM
wouldnt it be AFG? Angled forward Grip. its not really vertical at all.

technique
12-01-2009, 4:55 PM
I like that place, thanks for the Heads up Technique.

No problem. No BS over there. The majority of guys are full time door kickers. Here or over seas. Great reviews on gear and weapons.

technique
12-01-2009, 4:56 PM
wouldnt it be AFG? Angled forward Grip. its not really vertical at all.

Thats correct...I was typing too fast and trying to get that e-mail out!:o

gunsnrovers
12-01-2009, 4:58 PM
Very cool. I have the KAC stop now, but that looks handier and more ergonomic. I see my swapping out when the hit the open market. :)

kf6tac
12-01-2009, 5:18 PM
Looks like something I might be willing to try...but most of the pics show it mounted all the way forward. I've never known anyone who shoots that way, but hey...whatever works I guess.

I think there was another thread here recently about how Magpul actually teaches people to grip the rifle all the way forward in such a manner during their carbine courses, and that the grip is becoming popular in some of the competition circuits. It looks like it could just as easily be mounted further back, though, so you probably don't have to like that type of hand positioning to use it.

SMGLee
12-01-2009, 5:31 PM
Gripping the forend forward isn't new, it isn't a Magpul development. it has been around for awhile in the 3gun circle.

but if you take a high round count class, like a Jeff Gonzales carbine, you shoot 700 in a day, you will have heat venting through the rail openings pass your rail panels and you would be wishing for a vertical grip...LOL

Olav
12-01-2009, 5:37 PM
Gripping the forend forward isn't new, it isn't a Magpul development. it has been around for awhile in the 3gun circle.

but if you take a high round count class, like a Jeff Gonzales carbine, you shoot 700 in a day, you will have heat venting through the rail openings pass your rail panels and you would be wishing for a vertical grip...LOL

Or gloves... lol

SMGLee
12-01-2009, 5:52 PM
Or gloves... lol


Burning through gloves.. try to hold a very hot weapon with gloves.. sooner or later.. it goes through the material...

GraveTrain
12-01-2009, 6:32 PM
I guess I'll be the first to ask.... is it ambi? I'm thinking... no from the pics. I guess us left handers are LEFT out again. :shrug:

technique
12-01-2009, 6:37 PM
I guess I'll be the first to ask.... is it ambi? I'm thinking... no from the pics. I guess us left handers are LEFT out again. :shrug:

How did you come to that conclusion?

Looks Ambi to me...they wouldn't make a product they couldn't run through their classes.

FUSE
12-01-2009, 7:02 PM
Audio Visual Forward Grip ?

At first I thought AFG Away From Gun... Guess that is my gamer instinct...:D Anyone else think that too?

Olav
12-01-2009, 7:19 PM
Burning through gloves.. try to hold a very hot weapon with gloves.. sooner or later.. it goes through the material...

Yah, I know the feeling...

glock_this
12-01-2009, 7:36 PM
Looks Ambi to me...they wouldn't make a product they couldn't run through their classes.

some argue the BAD is not ambi ;)

KevinXT
12-01-2009, 7:38 PM
i think it stands for " A Funky Grip" :p

sevensix2x51
12-01-2009, 7:47 PM
i think that thing looks weird, i dont think i would like it. i got rid of my vfg, because its too much stuff. i dont think an afg would be any different. but id be willing to try it out for free. you guys are lucky. let us know how it works.

technique
12-01-2009, 7:49 PM
some argue the BAD is not ambi ;)

The only thing you can't do is release the bolt with your fire control hand. But you can lock it back.

You can also use the bad with your support to actuate the release, use your thumb right after you insert a mag.


Works fine for me.

glock_this
12-01-2009, 7:54 PM
Works fine for me.

me 2.... but I am a righty :D

technique
12-01-2009, 7:55 PM
me 2.... but I am a righty :D

Me too...Lefties are freaks!:D

pacrimguru
12-01-2009, 8:07 PM
some argue the BAD is not ambi ;)

actually the BAD is ambi. it makes it so that righties can use what lefties have no problem accessing already. isn't that what makes something ambidextrous? also it helps lefties when they are shooting reaction hand as well.

erblo
12-01-2009, 8:18 PM
Meh, not a fan :shrug:

dchang0
12-01-2009, 8:34 PM
The AFG looks to be exactly what I need. I wasn't crazy about the KAC stop, nor the Larue stop (not yet released). Now that I'm trying the thumb-over-top grip more, I have no need of my VFG and can see how the AFG fills the gap between the hand stops and VFGs. The angled grip will help with indexing comfortably and consistently every time.

GraveTrain
12-01-2009, 8:36 PM
How did you come to that conclusion?

Looks Ambi to me...they wouldn't make a product they couldn't run through their classes.

As a point of reference I used where the shooter was resting his thumb (circled) unless that part is located along the center line of the barrel:

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv250/topcover22/magpul.jpg

Me too...Lefties are freaks!

If you think THAT'S freaky... I'm actually right handed but shoot left. :D

Sinestr
12-01-2009, 8:41 PM
I've tried shooting this way before, minus a grip, and it just doesn't feel right to me. Maybe it's an aquired style.

technique
12-01-2009, 8:44 PM
As a point of reference I used where the shooter was resting his thumb (circled) unless that part is located along the center line of the barrel:

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv250/topcover22/magpul.jpg



If you think THAT'S freaky... I'm actually right handed but shoot left. :D

That thing is part of his Flashlight mount...I don't think its part of the AFG.

Lone_Gunman
12-01-2009, 8:46 PM
I wish they would just make the damned middy MOE handguard already. Im getting tired of waiting.

GraveTrain
12-01-2009, 8:49 PM
hm..... technique. I think I may have to defer to your experience and expertise. I looked closely at the other photos and I think you may be right. We "lefties" always got to check out mods in a "righty" world. :(

NeoWeird
12-01-2009, 8:51 PM
I wish it were solid, or at least closed on the sides. I don't want to jam or jar my fingers into those tight corners while trying to press into an attack.

Plus, I didn't realize until about the third look that it was an action shot. Can barely see the brass.....

xibunkrlilkidsx
12-01-2009, 8:52 PM
Thats correct...I was typing too fast and trying to get that e-mail out!:o

its ok. you are forgiven my child.

rtlltj
12-01-2009, 9:11 PM
I'm sure they will sell a ton just because its made my magpul.

IMC87
12-01-2009, 9:15 PM
I'll take it! Well if it was free, why 'retrain' yourself with a new grip if you already know how to work your rifle efficiently with a vfg or none at all?

pacrimguru
12-01-2009, 9:16 PM
if they really wanted to sell a ton, they should have released it by using a picture of costa using it instead. :p

technique
12-01-2009, 9:22 PM
if they really wanted to sell a ton, they should have released it by using a picture of costa using it instead. :p

When I used to grow a beard, I would call it my "Rick Ross".
Now...I call it my "Chris Costa".:o:D

Bowser
12-01-2009, 9:35 PM
When I used to grow a beard, I would call it my "Rick Ross".
Now...I call it my "Chris Costa".:o:D

But is it made of kevlar?

technique
12-01-2009, 9:39 PM
But is it made of kevlar?

Yes!:eek:
I have to use 15 razors per shave. I buy in bulk from Costco.

sspen003
12-01-2009, 9:40 PM
getting tired of Magpul. They literally have a cult following and every AR-15 owner drool over whatever they make. Chris Costa can literally take a sh*t and someone would slap it on their rifle.

Jim_KT
12-01-2009, 9:44 PM
I have no issues with Magpul nor their fan club. They do make good products, it's just that some people really get priapisms over them.

This AVFG looks interesting and I wouldn't mind trying one.

bombadillo
12-01-2009, 9:46 PM
I'm kind of in that boat after the mag issues and MS2 issues as well as a rattly ASAP plate. What are you gonna do.

StraightArch
12-01-2009, 9:48 PM
I have no issues with Magpul nor their fan club. They do make good products, it's just that some people really get priapisms over them.

This AVFG looks interesting and I wouldn't mind trying one.

I like most of their products, they have a great price point and feel. But I have to agree with some people who think that their brand has taken over(in a bad way).

technique
12-01-2009, 9:48 PM
This AVFG looks interesting and I wouldn't mind trying one.

This is the best thing they have made for Californians as far as featureless rifles go!

Its also great for AKs. Doesn't interfere with the mag swap.

JohnBrian
12-01-2009, 9:48 PM
getting tired of Magpul. They literally have a cult following and every AR-15 owner drool over whatever they make. Chris Costa can literally take a sh*t and someone would slap it on their rifle.
Just added the above to my sig. See below.

technique
12-01-2009, 9:49 PM
What are you gonna do.


What everyone was doing before the ASAP....
Get an Ikickhippies. Duh!:D

StraightArch
12-01-2009, 9:50 PM
getting tired of Magpul. They literally have a cult following and every AR-15 owner drool over whatever they make. Chris Costa can literally take a sh*t and someone would slap it on their rifle.

For sure. I like alot of their innovative products but their brand power out weighs others coming up with the biggest and greatest. But they serve their purpose.

Jim_KT
12-01-2009, 9:51 PM
This is the best thing they have made for Californians as far as featureless rifles go!

Its also great for AKs. Doesn't interfere with the mag swap.

Agreed - for those that want to run a grip up front. I've sort of gone full circle now and like to run "slick" up front without a VFG. Something like the AVFG could be a good in between solution.

pratchett
12-01-2009, 9:54 PM
That's funny. The grip keeps getting more and more in line with the barrel, and this thing is going to go whole circle. If it were anyone other than Magpul with their arm torqued half-way around the other side of the barrel like that, we'd all be laughing.

Ruiner
12-01-2009, 9:56 PM
Huh? Competition shooters do it all the time. That isn't a magpul technique.

sspen003
12-01-2009, 9:56 PM
I think the BADS are a cool idea but it seems like more stuff to snag on and more stuff that can break. Simple is always better. Besides, hundreds of thousands of gun owners and law enforcement/military have practiced with the ping pong style bolt catch and muscle memory is a damn good thing

technique
12-01-2009, 10:09 PM
I think the BADS are a cool idea but it seems like more stuff to snag on and more stuff that can break. Simple is always better. Besides, hundreds of thousands of gun owners and law enforcement/military have practiced with the ping pong style bolt catch and muscle memory is a damn good thing

As far as:

Stocks: M93, UBR <---only on a SPR

Mags: Pmags, Floorplates

Rail stuff: XTMs (those are alright)

Other: BAD

This above, is all I really like from MP. As far as the new AFG, I think I like it. We'll see when it gets here...Since I use a Eberelstock gunslinger pack...I think the AFG will work out perfectly. My stubby gets snagged on the way in and out.

The only thing is...you won't have much room left on the bottom of a Carbine rail.

sspen003
12-01-2009, 10:14 PM
As far as:

Stocks: M93, UBR <---only on a SPR

Mags: Pmags, Floorplates

Rail stuff: XTMs (those are alright)

Other: BAD

This above, is all I really like from MP. As far as the new AFG, I think I like it. We'll see when it gets here...Since I use a Eberelstock gunslinger pack...I think the AFG will work out perfectly. My stubby gets snagged on the way in and out.

The only thing is...you won't have much room left on the bottom of a Carbine rail.

sounds good. As long as you didnt dress a Chris Costa for Halloween I am content.

Hey Technique what do you think of the KAC handguard stops? I am thinking about picking one up

technique
12-01-2009, 10:20 PM
Hey Technique what do you think of the KAC handguard stops? I am thinking about picking one up

I thought it was a bit small (I don't have big hands either). But I never ran it for that long. It wasn't as easy to use as a reference point. So I just stuck with my stubby instead.

I'll probly use it down the line for a pistol.

OutlawDon
12-01-2009, 10:39 PM
Hmmmm, interesting. I like it.

http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/Magpul_Industries/AFG_1.jpg

DREADNOUGHT78
12-01-2009, 11:00 PM
Hmmmm, interesting. I like it.

http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/Magpul_Industries/AFG_1.jpg

I don't know why but it reminds me of something from HALO. I honestly think Magpul should have done a post here on Calguns and gave away 30 on our forum so in a week they could be in the For Sale section for twice what they are worth!:43:LOL I would snag one up but thier supply and demand marketing driving up the prices won't last forever. MP makes some good stuff and some funky stuff but it works!

AM9000
12-01-2009, 11:10 PM
This is the best thing they have made for Californians as far as featureless rifles go!

Its also great for AKs. Doesn't interfere with the mag swap.



I can just imagine a MM grip with this AFG thing on the front. That would be the weirdest looking ergonomic rifle ever.

sytfu_RR
12-01-2009, 11:26 PM
hmmm interesting concept, I wonder what other stuff magpul is going to put out for the shot show 2010. Looking forward for some reviews of this grip.

vinny_land
12-01-2009, 11:34 PM
Hmm...funky looking but probably want to try it out and compare to a regular VFG. Might want to wait a few months too just like every other MP item that they released.

Fate
12-01-2009, 11:48 PM
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/Magpul_Industries/AFG_1.jpg

Now that I can see it better, someone's gonna get popped by the Feds for putting this on a pistol. Thumbhole could allow it to be (mis)construed as a pistol grip, regardless of how it's "supposed" to be used. Doubt I'd run one on a Featureless CA build either.

.

DanHuuN
12-02-2009, 2:47 AM
I'm a Magpul-whore and I cant wait for this!!! LOL

But I am kinda upset that they didn't name it Forward Angled Grip...then it'll sell for sure!!! HAHAHA

esskay
12-02-2009, 3:14 AM
Now that I can see it better, someone's gonna get popped by the Feds for putting this on a pistol. Thumbhole could allow it to be (mis)construed as a pistol grip, regardless of how it's "supposed" to be used. Doubt I'd run one on a Featureless CA build either.

.

The hole isn't for a thumb... but maybe Solar Tactical will make kydex to fill the hole just in case! LOL :D

pontiacpratt
12-02-2009, 4:22 AM
I don't know why but it reminds me of something from HALO. I honestly think Magpul should have done a post here on Calguns and gave away 30 on our forum so in a week they could be in the For Sale section for twice what they are worth!:43:LOL I would snag one up but thier supply and demand marketing driving up the prices won't last forever. MP makes some good stuff and some funky stuff but it works!
AFG+UBR= Covenant Killing machine:D Master Chief would be proud!

BroncoBob
12-02-2009, 6:20 AM
Damn, I want one of those AFG's to try out on my DDM4

evidens83
12-02-2009, 8:28 AM
Hmmm looks kinda funky to me but hey its made by Magpul so its a must-have right?! hehe I'd rather stick with the KAC. Good price as always though so forsure this will be sold out every which way you look :willy_nilly:

Bug Splat
12-02-2009, 9:58 AM
I've been using the thumb over grip for years before the Magpul videos. It just felt right and the control was better. I've been taking a hell of a lot of crap from my military buddies about my grip too. I did not want a VFG because it was wasted space for me and I did not want a Handstop because it was too small. This new grip is just right.

I'm not a MP junky but I do like their products. They are practical and very well priced. The only MP things I own are the followers.

Jicko
12-02-2009, 10:10 AM
I've tried shooting this way before, minus a grip, and it just doesn't feel right to me. Maybe it's an aquired style.

Just the same argument as Weaver vs Isosceles stance in pistol shooting....

Jicko
12-02-2009, 10:14 AM
What everyone was doing before the ASAP....
Get an Ikickhippies. Duh!:D

Noveske Endplate.... kudo to Magpul keep coming out with NEW accessories.... many other companies just keep on making the "old" stuff...

More new items, invoke other companies to come out with new stuff too... then we are here to benefit.... the Noveske Endplate is just better than the Magpul ASAP (period)....

JPB
12-02-2009, 11:53 AM
I can just imagine a MM grip with this AFG thing on the front. That would be the weirdest looking ergonomic rifle ever.

It'd look like a P90! I like Magpul stuff and all but I think I'll wait for the AFG Gen 4 to come out.......

esskay
12-02-2009, 12:48 PM
Noveske Endplate.... kudo to Magpul keep coming out with NEW accessories.... many other companies just keep on making the "old" stuff...

More new items, invoke other companies to come out with new stuff too... then we are here to benefit.... the Noveske Endplate is just better than the Magpul ASAP (period)....

I have and run both on different guns, like them both. But it's not that black & white, the Noveske is not categorically better for me. I use a high grip on my rifle. The ASAP is lower profile and the link pt is higher up (vertically) than a QD on the Noveske, which is at the bottom of the end plate. The Noveske system sometimes gets in the way while clipped in. Plus if I leave a QD swivel in there while running a 2 pt (attached at end of buttstock), it really gets annoying. Don't have this issue with the ASAP. (I switch back/forth between single pt and 2 pt slings depending on what I'm doing)

pacrimguru
12-02-2009, 2:03 PM
i would just like to announce that i drink magpul kool aid. that is all.

glock_this
12-02-2009, 2:41 PM
This is the best thing they have made for Californians as far as featureless rifles go!

I think the BAD is one of their most useful innovative products.. but though they kind of created the idea, Phase 5 went to market faster with a good product.

What everyone was doing before the ASAP....
Get an Ikickhippies. Duh!:D

hey man... I have 1 of those, with maybe another on the way. the guy was kind of a jerk, but the idea and design is solid and does not rattle like an ASAP and is only $20

SMGLee
12-02-2009, 3:16 PM
getting tired of Magpul. They literally have a cult following and every AR-15 owner drool over whatever they make. Chris Costa can literally take a sh*t and someone would slap it on their rifle.


LOL......!!

Eckolaker
12-02-2009, 4:00 PM
I'm pissed I did not get in on any of the various forum give-a-ways. I have been running bare rails because I just don't like the VFG's for the grip I run with. This is perfect.

I will still end up buying this no doubt. Im just jealous at all you guys who got one for free.

SLYoteBoy
12-02-2009, 6:13 PM
I will still end up buying this no doubt. Im just jealous at all you guys who got one for free.

This. and btw , i'm drinking hateraide atm ;)

MikeR
12-02-2009, 8:08 PM
If you think THAT'S freaky... I'm actually right handed but shoot left. :D

Yea im right handed but shoot rifles with my left, my right eye is crap. :mad:

As far as the kool aid drinking goes, im afraid im one too but its because they make something better for less or about the same price, not to mention there CS, its hard to argue with.

Fate
12-02-2009, 9:54 PM
More pics, more info: http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=42450

Apparently the frontstrap is interchangable (A2 or A1 grip style).

http://i49.tinypic.com/2dqlgqx.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/10nrm6f.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ilnbxd.jpg

Crawfish141
12-02-2009, 11:41 PM
More pics, more info: http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=42450

Apparently the frontstrap is interchangable (A2 or A1 grip style).

http://i49.tinypic.com/2dqlgqx.jpg

Is it just me, or does it cover up the front sling loop?

Other than that I think it's a good Idea. No, I'm not just saying that because Magpul made it. I came to a similar conclusion after I realized I angled my hand in a similar fashion when I use a normal vertical for-grip.

Also it reminds me of this
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/lgprod/ARR-605.jpg
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR605-7.html

technique
12-03-2009, 1:14 AM
SIMPLYDYNAMIC
Here there are on a longer rail:

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm118/magpuldynamics08/2009910104.jpg

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm118/magpuldynamics08/2009910047.jpg

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm118/magpuldynamics08/2009910136.jpg

And yes it is perfect with the MOE handgaurd
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm118/magpuldynamics08/IMG_1327.jpg


...from here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=124&t=182094&page=6

esskay
12-03-2009, 2:09 AM
Is it just me, or does it cover up the front sling loop?

Other than that I think it's a good Idea. No, I'm not just saying that because Magpul made it. I came to a similar conclusion after I realized I angled my hand in a similar fashion when I use a normal vertical for-grip.


Not a good idea to attach your sling to the barrel anyway, so that's not really a negative. But if you really did want to put a sling there, just move the AFG backwards another notch or two and you'd be fine (notice he has it as far forward as possible, actually hanging off the front of the handguard).

Look carefully at the side of the handguard, there is a CQD sling loop attachment. That's where he can clip the MS/2 sling into when he goes into 2pt sling mode. It's in front of Travis's middle finger. But most of the time he's running in single point sling mode off the ASAP endplate anyway so it doesn't matter.

OutlawDon
12-04-2009, 6:46 PM
http://m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=510134&postcount=79

http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg2.jpg

http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg3.jpg

http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg4.jpg

http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg5.jpg

http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg6.jpg

http://www.magpul.com/pics/afg7.jpg

tacticalcity
12-04-2009, 7:04 PM
I want one for a Recon Rifle build.

I like their products, but I would not say I drink their Koolaid.

I like LMT and VLTOR stocks better. I like TangoDown rail covers better. I like my Daniel Defense QD Pushbutton end plate better.

Their magpuls, enhanced trigger guards, and their BAD are pretty darn cool as are their grips. So I use them on my builds.

All of their products are nice. I might like somethings better but I wouldn't gripe if any of their products made it onto my rifle (aside from their MBUS sights because one broke on me so I avoid them - but people want them so I still sell them).

pacrimguru
12-04-2009, 7:06 PM
hey, that looks pretty good, especially on the ak's.

Josh3239
12-04-2009, 7:06 PM
getting tired of Magpul. They literally have a cult following and every AR-15 owner drool over whatever they make. Chris Costa can literally take a sh*t and someone would slap it on their rifle.

With you. I just don't get this one. I was thinking of posting a similiar crack but figured I'd get flamed. Magpul is a great company but this thing is just a giant :confused: to me.

sspen003
12-04-2009, 7:19 PM
With you. I just don't get this one. I was thinking of posting a similiar crack but figured I'd get flamed. Magpul is a great company but this thing is just a giant :confused: to me.

No worries about getting flamed. There are thousands more who think he is overrated.

missiontrails
12-04-2009, 8:01 PM
Another F_____g Grip, but I want one.

THT
12-04-2009, 8:46 PM
For those of you ragging on Chris Costa, here's a story about him from another board. And keep in mind that Travis Haley is the head of Magpul Industries whereas Chris Costa is the head of their training division, Magpul Dynamics.

His dad is awesome, too.

I attended a private class that Costa taught for a few folks that wanted some instruction over some particular subject matter. He charged very little for the class. He allowed my wife to watch, for free. That's something probably no other instructor would do. He allowed me to attend only the second day, since I was working the first, and charged me accordingly. He took a few minutes to quickly go over everything they did the day before so I wouldn't be slowing everyone down. All in all, it was a great learning experience.

His dad was there, helping Chris. Loading mags, ensuring range safety and whatnot. During a break (literally, my rifle broke. Exploded. Kaboom), noticing downtime, Chris's dad took my wife downrange and gave her some private instruction, using his own pistol and ammo, for about a half hour. While my wife could shoot okay before that, he really helped her feel more confident and comfortable, even with a gun she'd never shot, in front of a bunch of pretty good shooters she didn't know.

Josh3239
12-05-2009, 12:44 AM
For those of you ragging on Chris Costa, here's a story about him from another board. And keep in mind that Travis Haley is the head of Magpul Industries whereas Chris Costa is the head of their training division, Magpul Dynamics.

I don't think anyone is ragging on Chris Costa, it is this grip. I mean, as far as I am considered if Magpul made a, well anything, people would be all over it. Magpul makes great stuff no doubt, but again this makes me :confused:.

sspen003
12-05-2009, 11:10 AM
For those of you ragging on Chris Costa, here's a story about him from another board. And keep in mind that Travis Haley is the head of Magpul Industries whereas Chris Costa is the head of their training division, Magpul Dynamics.

Not ragging on him. I'm sure he is a nice guy but I think he is overrated.

sevensix2x51
12-05-2009, 3:40 PM
who's chris costa? sorry, i dont subscribe to ar15 trends weekly. i just like to build stuff, and shoot.

sspen003
12-05-2009, 4:41 PM
Have you ever watched the Magpul Videos? You might just be able to google his name

Bug Splat
12-05-2009, 6:38 PM
who's chris costa? sorry, i dont subscribe to ar15 trends weekly. i just like to build stuff, and shoot.

He seems like a nice guy. I don't think he is over rated at all. He can handle a firearm and that is why he does what he does. He is better than anyone I have ever met so I would never call him "overrated". I think a lot of people dislike him because of the massive amount of attention he gets from the AR community. Its not like he is asking for fame but he got it. The Magpul name has become a household name and Chris is the face of Magpul. Could be worse, we could have Steven Seagal all over the place.:D

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trinydex
12-05-2009, 6:59 PM
never thought i'd see a magpul shottie...

esskay
12-05-2009, 9:51 PM
I don't think anyone is ragging on Chris Costa, it is this grip. I mean, as far as I am considered if Magpul made a, well anything, people would be all over it. Magpul makes great stuff no doubt, but again this makes me :confused:.

Did you follow the link to the arfcom thread? It has the full set of powerpoint slides explaining the AFG as a "theory based product." i.e. It is specifically built to enhance a specific shooting technique. If you think that technique will work for you, then the AFG might be for you. If it doesn't work for you then the AFG is not for you, e.g. if you use and are happy with a magwell grip and don't want to change, the AFG won't do anything for you.

pacrimguru
12-05-2009, 9:55 PM
...I think he is overrated.

if you've ever trained with him you wouldn't be saying that.

sspen003
12-05-2009, 11:33 PM
if you've ever trained with him you wouldn't be saying that.

Dont get me wrong I would love to train with him and I know he is well versed with a rifle. I just believe a celebrity status corrupts people. I dont believe he is as good as he is hyped up to be. The best guys on earth are the guys you dont even know about.

NSR500
12-05-2009, 11:38 PM
I was on the fence about this product but after seeing clearer pictures of it, I think I'll give it a shot.

MikeR
12-05-2009, 11:58 PM
....I just believe a celebrity status corrupts people. I dont believe he is as good as he is hyped up to be. The best guys on earth are the guys you dont even know about.

Reminds me of a Lagwagon song. You made me break out this old CD, Man they freaking rock! :D

Ill get one if i can use it on a featureless build, otherwise ill just have to go the hand stop route.

RobT2K
12-06-2009, 12:04 AM
But the KAC handstop is over twice as much.

MikeR
12-06-2009, 12:10 AM
But the KAC handstop is over twice as much.

Yea but its still less expensive than a felony :p

Plus most likely if i have to go with a hand stop for legal reasons ill use the Gear Selector HS. KAC can blow me, they don't want to support us, i have no need to support them.

NSR500
12-06-2009, 12:19 AM
I agree about KAC... They are not California friendly so I don't support them. They're just like KVAR where they don't even want their parts going to California.

xounlistedxox
12-06-2009, 12:44 AM
I just saw this listed on one of my favorite online AR stores. I think it would be more comfortable than my troy modular vfg setup in shorty form, and my tango down qd shorty vfg. Way to go Magpul... that said now hire some people to actually make enough product to fill demand already!!!

I wanted an m93b stock since the first time I saw it on the magpul sight yet I never actually saw one for sale other than auction sights and anywhere else people are trying to sell magpul stuff for twice what they paid for it.

Another example... I recently had to order up a few mil spec receiver extensions just to be able to use the magpul acs stock since they dont have any time from on getting the commercial version to hit retailers, but at the same time I was able to order the stock plus the new tube and still have over $50 left compared to just purchasing an lmt sopmod, so I can't complain that much.

I've also seen ms2 slings going for more than twice msrp...

pacrimguru
12-06-2009, 6:46 AM
I just believe a celebrity status corrupts people. I dont believe he is as good as he is hyped up to be.

to each his own, but i would reserve judgment until i actually met the person. in costa's case i have several times and he's a genuinely great guy sans-corruption - and this is why you see a huge following for him. he's in no way big headed or thinks he's the best. he genuinely cares about what he teaches and his students, and is really funny to boot.

by the way as a testament to costa's dedication, he enrolled himself in and attended a larry vickers carbine class this past march. when do you hear about top names like that taking someone else's class? let alone from another top name and competing instructor. as a student, he shot using vicker's taught methods for that class as well. i smell no ego there. at the end of the day, he walked away with top honors during the end of class match AND gave away his prizes to others. corrupt? i don't think so. someone who really cares about technique enough to still be a student himself? i wish more instructors were like him.

i understand your misapprehension, but once in a while a genuinely good guy falls under a lucky star and becomes successful (and popular as well). i'd hate to see people dismiss him purely out of that jaded mentality that anyone that has achieved popular status must be an a-hole. i like to see good guys succeed.

CK1
12-06-2009, 7:53 AM
Call me a simpleton but what I want to know where you get those textured looking rail covers.

Those are money.

shark92651
12-06-2009, 8:02 AM
Call me a simpleton but what I want to know where you get those textured looking rail covers.

Those are money.

You need to have too much time on your hands and a soldering iron.

CK1
12-06-2009, 8:06 AM
I'm assuming your referring to how much money I've spent in your store over the last couple of months?

Or those are some customized XTM rails?


You need to have too much time on your hands and a soldering iron.

Ruiner
12-06-2009, 8:44 AM
I'm assuming your referring to how much money I've spent in your store over the last couple of months?

Or those are some customized XTM rails?

XTM rails + soldering iron =

;)

IDPA4U
12-06-2009, 9:37 AM
to each his own, but i would reserve judgment until i actually met the person. in costa's case i have several times and he's a genuinely great guy sans-corruption - and this is why you see a huge following for him. he's in no way big headed or thinks he's the best. he genuinely cares about what he teaches and his students, and is really funny to boot.

by the way as a testament to costa's dedication, he enrolled himself in and attended a larry vickers carbine class this past march. when do you hear about top names like that taking someone else's class? let alone from another top name and competing instructor. as a student, he shot using vicker's taught methods for that class as well. i smell no ego there. at the end of the day, he walked away with top honors during the end of class match AND gave away his prizes to others. corrupt? i don't think so. someone who really cares about technique enough to still be a student himself? i wish more instructors were like him.

i understand your misapprehension, but once in a while a genuinely good guy falls under a lucky star and becomes successful (and popular to boot). i'd hate to see people dismiss him purely out of that jaded mentality that anyone that has achieved popular status must be an a-hole. i like to see good guys succeed.

+1
I couldn't agree more. Chris Costa is not only one of the best instructors I have ever met, he is one of the best people I have had the privilege to spend time with. He truly cares about each one of his students and always remains open minded to new techniques. Spend one day on the range with him and you will see what I mean.

As for the AFG, it won't be for everyone but if you employ the technique taught by Magpul Dynamics, it makes perfect sense. I thought it was a little odd looking at first, but the moment I tried it I was sold. Its design is pure ergonomics and I found it just feels more natural and efficient then a stubby VFG. . Bottom line, it was designed to help shooters manipulate their weapons better, and for many it will.

Josh3239
12-06-2009, 2:08 PM
I did. I still don't get it. I don't see how this enhances anything and based on their description of "supination" you could achieve this by holding the handguard railed or smooth, or sticking anything underneath the handguard. It is nothing more than a mini scalene triangle underneath your handguard. Frankly, I am not a fan of hanging crap of the handguards and this to me looks like crap hanging off the handguards.

Now, I understand it is for a shooter that utilizes that technique and not for a shooter that doesn't utilize that technique. For shooters that do utilize that technique it looks to me like a "lets just sell it to them and tell them they need it" thing. I use a very similiar technique since I have moved from railed handguards to the smooth handguards.

And lets be honest, if any company in the world had made this it would be dismissed. If ARMs had made the polymer BUIS they would be crucified. Tangodown's polymer ARC mags are great and likely just as good as the Pmags but get zero recognition.

Bottom line, it is a goofy idea but it is loved because it is Magpul's.

Did you follow the link to the arfcom thread? It has the full set of powerpoint slides explaining the AFG as a "theory based product." i.e. It is specifically built to enhance a specific shooting technique. If you think that technique will work for you, then the AFG might be for you. If it doesn't work for you then the AFG is not for you, e.g. if you use and are happy with a magwell grip and don't want to change, the AFG won't do anything for you.

pacrimguru
12-06-2009, 8:57 PM
And lets be honest, if any company in the world had made this it would be dismissed. ... Bottom line, it is a goofy idea but it is loved because it is Magpul's.

magpul dynamics (magpul's training division) invented this attachment to directly supplement the techniques taught in their own classes. so, yes in a way you are right. if any other company that didn't have their own training arm came out with this it would probably be dismissed. it would be dismissed because it presumably would have no practical application backing it. but magpul clearly does. arms doesn't. tangodown doesn't.

i wonder why there is so much animosity towards one of the most progressive companies in the firearms world? would people be hating on it if viking tactics came out with it? they also have a fantastic training arm and if they released the AFG i don't know if so many people would hate on it. something about magpul irritates some people. strange.

if you've ever deployed any of magpul dynamics' techniques you will realize that the triangle under the hand guard does relieve a slight "twist" that your arm suffers when using a hand stop or vert. grip. it may be a goofy idea, and you're right - it is loved because it is magpul's. but not solely because the name magpul... because it is made to help shooters use their techniques.

if you don't use their techniques then this product will be lost on you and not applicable. that doesn't mean that it is a waste of time, money, or a hyped up product. it just means that it is of no use to you personally and why not just leave it at that?

Ruiner
12-06-2009, 9:09 PM
Theres always 2 extremes. The Koolaid drinkers and the Hateraide drinkers. One camp will blindly buy things they don't necessarily benefit from simply because it's brand X. The other side doesn't like to identify with the opposite group so they will blindly hate brand X without even trying it. This product will benefit those who use the stance/grip magpul teaches. By the way, they do not force you to do it in their classes and allow you to use what you are most comfortable with. If you dont hold your rifle that way, then this plain and simple will be of no benefit to you.

pacrimguru
12-06-2009, 9:14 PM
Theres always 2 extremes. The Koolaid drinkers and the Hateraide drinkers. ...By the way, they do not force you to do it in their classes and allow you to use what you are most comfortable with. If you dont hold your rifle that way, then this plain and simple will be of no benefit to you.

correction, there are 3 camps. the kool-aid drinkers, the hater-aid drinkers, and the few that actually train and make up their own minds on what kit or techniques work regardless of the company/individual pushing it. you are completely correct when you say, "If you dont hold your rifle that way, then this plain and simple will be of no benefit to you."

Ruiner
12-06-2009, 9:18 PM
correction, there are 3 camps. the kool-aid drinkers, the hater-aid drinkers, and the few that actually train and make up their own minds on what kit or techniques work regardless of the company/individual pushing it. you are completely correct when you say, "If you dont hold your rifle that way, then this plain and simple will be of no benefit to you."

Correct. I kinda lumped group 3 along everyone else in inbetween the extremes. :D

pacrimguru
12-06-2009, 9:19 PM
haha, i know, its a very minority group on forums, especially and unfortunately here on calguns.

trinydex
12-06-2009, 9:20 PM
i wonder why there is so much animosity towards one of the most progressive companies in the firearms world? would people be hating on it if viking tactics came out with it? they also have a fantastic training arm and if they released the AFG i don't know if so many people would hate on it. something about magpul irritates some people. strange.

just what happens when there is a fan boi following. i've seen it happen many times in other hobby worlds, when there's a fan boi following the naysayers will nay and the fan bois will assure the world that their idols can do no wrong... it's something about this fundamental conflict of the AUDIENCE that just fouls up anything and everything thenceforth. just gotta take a step back from it all and throw some salt over the shoulder or however that goes.

on the viking tactics note... kyle lamb is endorsing a new holster, the 511 thumb drive... i wonder when it'll start gettin' hated on or roved to internet death.

pacrimguru
12-06-2009, 9:46 PM
on the viking tactics note... kyle lamb is endorsing a new holster, the 511 thumb drive... i wonder when it'll start gettin' hated on or roved to internet death.

ah, it'll probably fly under the hater radar. lamb seems to not irritate people like magpul does. haha :rolleyes:

technique
12-18-2009, 11:58 AM
No fingers or thumbs can be placed through the hole.
I can get a grasp around the whole thing though.

This thing is pretty bad ***!


http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/VFG-1.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/VFG-2.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/VFG-3.jpg

Hopi
12-18-2009, 12:02 PM
Tech-

Is that an OPS brake/collar? What gen is that?

xounlistedxox
12-18-2009, 12:03 PM
sweet setup. I cannot wait until these are relaesed, so I can check one out. I run TD Shorty QD Battle Grips, and TROY Modular grips now and these are about 1/2 the price.

I have a love/hate relationship with magpul. Love them for their awesome innovation, hate them for their lack of ability to make enough to be openly available for purchase.

technique
12-18-2009, 12:11 PM
Tech-

Is that an OPS brake/collar? What gen is that?

Its for the 14th (have one on order), 15th, 16th, and M4-S (have on paid for, waiting on tax stamp) style mount.
A bit shorter than the 12th style in terms of distance from threads to collar.

They come in all shapes and sizes. I even have one coming that adapts a 12th style SPR mount to allow use of the M4 style.

Here is a closeup of the 14,15,16th, M4-S style.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/zBarrelcut003.jpg

technique
12-18-2009, 1:06 PM
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/VFG3-1.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/VFG2-1.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/VFG2-2.jpg

a few more.

THT
12-18-2009, 1:07 PM
Ooh ooh, I wanna play!

http://www.tophattheater.net/pics/guns/afgonrifle.jpg

technique
12-18-2009, 1:10 PM
Nice!

tacticalcity
12-18-2009, 1:14 PM
Just rub it in guys! ;)

technique
12-18-2009, 3:38 PM
Since I was still using a FSB mounted sling mount...I now removed that and for the time being, I am using the AFG as a sling mount too.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/AFG4-3.jpg

Here is a kinda "pistol grasp"...For those wondering about putting these on pistols.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/AFG4-4.jpg

Eckolaker
12-18-2009, 3:52 PM
Tech,

Where is your thumb placement with the new install? Are you right along side the FSB? Only curious because it looks like thats the only option you have with the carbine length. Unless you have T-rex arms or something...lol

technique
12-18-2009, 3:56 PM
thumb goes right up on top of the XTM panels. End of my thumb is riding up next to the FSB.

swerv512
12-18-2009, 4:04 PM
do they make one that can go on the 3 or 9 o'clock rail for the homeboy grip??

technique
12-18-2009, 4:36 PM
Tech,

Where is your thumb placement with the new install? Are you right along side the FSB? Only curious because it looks like thats the only option you have with the carbine length. Unless you have T-rex arms or something...lol

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/AFG5-1.jpg

Disclaimer*** That is Duracoat on my thumbnail NOT nail polish!

ProlificARProspect
12-18-2009, 4:52 PM
that looks slick tech, thanks for the post.

xounlistedxox
01-02-2010, 1:22 PM
So far I'm liking the AFG. It feels much more ergonomic. Damn them for coming out with better products and better techniques. First I had full sized vfg's then I changed out to shorty vfg's, now I like the vfg's... it never ends.
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp240/xounlistedxox/img1262466272950.jpg

Frijolito1988
01-02-2010, 1:52 PM
Not bad at all, I might have to pick one up. The way i grip my rifle now is i wrap my pointing finger and middle finger on the upper, and let my pinky and ring finger semi wrap/ rest on my VFG . And this device seems like just that but more comfortable.

xounlistedxox
01-02-2010, 1:54 PM
yup thats how I was doing it. Thumb on the left side. This does make that grip a lot more comfortable

tango5
01-14-2010, 6:26 PM
My Magpul AFG in FDE just showed up today. I havent gotten a chance to shoot it yet with it installed, but i like the way it feels when its shouldered. Fits very tight and snug on my YHM rail, which is a good thing, no slop or play.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42811&stc=1&d=1263522326

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42812&stc=1&d=1263522341

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42813&stc=1&d=1263522352

xounlistedxox
01-14-2010, 6:32 PM
Looks like it all matches up realy well. I've purchased two of these so far for a couple of my rifles. I like them a lot. Magpul is always trying to be innovative and come out with useful new products. They hit a home run with this one.

tango5
01-14-2010, 6:37 PM
It does match up nicely. Im not a Magpul fanboy, im just a fanboy of well made and well designed parts, Magpul just happens to make good stuff.

xounlistedxox
01-14-2010, 6:48 PM
I like well made parts as well. Magpul also brings parts at good prices for the most part too. If they would have came out with these just a couple weeks before they did then I could have saved a ton of $ in vertical grips. I purchased 2 TD Shorty QD VFG's and a TROY Modular VFG before I had even heard of these.

tango5
01-14-2010, 6:57 PM
Yeah their prices are good. I used to make the Tango5 EBR (Extended Bolt Release), similar to their BAD. I sold a few hundred of them at $42 shipped. They sell their BAD now for $29. I cant compare with their prices, or their name. So i stopped, and currently rock their BAD on my rifle, lol.

xounlistedxox
01-14-2010, 6:58 PM
Yeah I run BAD levers on all of my rifles. The muscle memory is already there, so without it I would have no idea what to do anymore...damn Magpul

pontiacpratt
01-14-2010, 9:35 PM
Pic of mine Moe + AFG:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o158/figgie1/jasonstuff/0113001425.jpg
Saturday is going to be the field test.

DanHuuN
01-16-2010, 4:22 AM
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/DanHuu1225/DSC06024-1.jpg

Mine are in and done!

nav195
01-16-2010, 9:53 AM
When did the fde's come out and where do I order one?

tomd1584
01-16-2010, 9:56 AM
When did the fde's come out and where do I order one?

they have them in FDE, foliage, black, etc.

DanHuuN
01-16-2010, 6:28 PM
When did the fde's come out and where do I order one?

MIDWESTPX.com

Darklyte27
01-22-2010, 4:32 PM
im still waiting for one in OD green

THT
01-22-2010, 4:43 PM
im still waiting for one in OD green

I just got some today

Darklyte27
01-22-2010, 5:11 PM
I just got some today

i saw! i want to get it but im trying to buy a house now~..
:chris: