View Full Version : Some input guys???

12-01-2009, 9:48 AM
Alright so my buddies little brother has been shooting with me and is hooked, His pops said he would get him a gun of his choosing for christmas 600 bucks cap "boy I wish my parents spend 600 bucks on me :p " but anyways he really likes my long range set up and wants to get a RIFLE for starting out but he wants a heavy barreled rifle. Problem is the price issue, So basically im looking to see If I can find this kid a nice heavy barrel rifle and a scope something that can take him out to a few hundred yards, so he can keep up with me. I already load for .308 and will be soon for .223 he said he wanted .223 or .308 but im sure hes open to caliber selection. Now I know most will say get a good .22 to train with and what not but he has shot my .22 over a couple thousand times on camping trips and what not and proves to be pretty accurate and responsible. So what say you fellow calgunners?

12-01-2009, 9:50 AM
Tikka T3

12-01-2009, 9:51 AM
He doesn't need the best mcmillan stock or HS or anything like that, It will be upgraded over time when he gets a job. So a remington 700 would be nice for after market but Im not sure on price range even for now whatever he gets we can skim bed the stock to help a bit.

12-01-2009, 9:51 AM
You know whats funny I was JUST thinking of a tikka t3. Whats the price point on these the heavy barreled models?

12-01-2009, 11:01 AM
T3 is a good suggestion.

There are many Savage models that are plenty accurate for under $600 as well- I highly recommend visiting their site. For starting out in target shooting Savage offers a great product- I have two Savage rifles and I'm pleased with them.

12-01-2009, 11:02 AM
I would recommend a Tikka over a Savage, personally. See if you can infect him with the BRD and point him towards a Saiga :)

12-01-2009, 11:05 AM
Tikka or Savage, but you probably aren't going to get a good scope with it for $600...... (and a bad scope is probably worse than nothing).

12-01-2009, 11:34 AM
Turners is running a sale until the end of this week. One rifle they have for sale is a Howa Tactical. .308, 20" heavy barrel, Hogue stock, with a decent scope for $599.

Excellent rifle to start with, and build on for the future. Bell & Carlson make stocks for it, Timney makes triggers for it. It already has a great barrel.

12-01-2009, 12:09 PM
Tikka or Savage, but you probably aren't going to get a good scope with it for $600...... (and a bad scope is probably worse than nothing).

You can get a sheap simmons scope for about $100, maybe less, and the one I've got (was gifted to me but I looked up the price once and I'm pretty sure it was sub $100) is plenty accurate. Not the clearest glass of course, not nearly as nice as my Vortex Viper or a NF or USO, but it's doable.

12-01-2009, 12:11 PM
Tikka hands down.

12-01-2009, 12:25 PM
I'd look for used rifles as most haven't been fired that much and can be a good value. I'd try and go with a Rem 700 so you can upgrade it over time. Might also be able to get a used rifle with a scope on it. I'm guessing the kid will be very happy no matter what he gets.

12-01-2009, 12:39 PM
I just saw this post for Win 70 in 300 WSM with a Leupold scope for $750


The cartride isn't ideal for a kid but shows you that going used you likely can find something nice in your price range.

12-01-2009, 12:53 PM
Well hes just turned 16 hes 6'1 and 160 pounds so hes not so small and has handled my .308 fairly well hes a lean kid not to small so I don't think recoil will be THAT much of a issue I just don't want it to be something he thinks about everytime he pulls the trigger. I know optics are important Im trying to see what we can throw together for him for a starter rifle his pops said 600 is his cap.

12-01-2009, 12:56 PM
I'm thinking even a used remington 700 in a light caliber would be good possibly shopping the barrel down stiffening it up and skim bedding and he would have a decent target rifle until money permits upgrades...

12-01-2009, 12:57 PM
I have the old stock of my SPS V that I could Camo up for him and skim bed it and drop a action into that if only we had the action haha.

Bug Splat
12-01-2009, 1:05 PM
T3 or a Savage. He does not need a rock'n scope so a $50-$100 scope will do for now. You should be able to get both for around $600. I'd get him a 223 over a 308 simply because of ammo cost. Being young and not having a lot of money he will be glad to spend less on ammo. With a Savage he can even change out his own barrel and bolt face later for a 308 for very little cost.

12-01-2009, 1:22 PM
Used Tikka T3 would be good if you could find it. He's adamant about a heavy barrel? Seems like a lite version is going to be much cheaper and a beter starting rifle, especially at 16, I mean come on haha... Then that would leave room for a cheap scope, Bushnell or Nikon Buckmaster.

12-01-2009, 1:24 PM
my buddy at west coast guns sells them I am planing on getting one from him after the holy days are over.

12-01-2009, 3:20 PM
He is pretty set on a heavy barreled rifle he wants a target/long range rig Ill be teaching him about reloading and letting him use my set up. As long as the scope can stand recoil and put up to weather then it should be fine. Maybe a cheap bushinell would suffice.

12-01-2009, 6:38 PM
SPS Varmint in .223, Bushnell Elite 3200 10X Mil-dot (~$170) and Burris XTR rings.

12-02-2009, 10:18 AM
SPS Varmint in .223, Bushnell Elite 3200 10X Mil-dot (~$170) and Burris XTR rings.

This is what I was looking into I might throw in some extra bucks to help the kid out or buy him some dies for christmas and teach em how to use em on my rockchucker hes excited about it I love getting people into shooting puts a smile on my face! Even a used SPS V in 223 up on to 243 would not be a bad Idea. 243 would serve him a little better as he could pop some bigger critters with that because he wants to get his hunting license.

12-02-2009, 10:28 AM
SPS Varmint in .223, Bushnell Elite 3200 10X Mil-dot (~$170) and Burris XTR rings.


12-02-2009, 10:50 AM
That's exactly what I was thinking. With the right looking around im sure I can find the stuff in that budget. I personally would not own a savage rifle I have seen to much stuff go wrong with them at the range or in matches, Im not knocking them but just not for me im a 700 guy in winchester model 70. Though my buddy has a single shot savage that prints some pretty ragged holes . How much internal adjustment do these elite 3200's have? I'm hoping to get the kid out to be able to hit consistently at 600 if he ends up getting a 243 it shouldn't be much of a task but he sure would think it was :p .

12-02-2009, 10:58 AM
How much internal adjustment do these elite 3200's have?

usually 75-80 moa.
However, at the price of an EGW 20 moa base, just get the 20moa base on general principal...
There's NO reason for a flat base.

if he ends up getting a 243 it shouldn't be much of a task but he sure would think it was :p .

The issue with factory 243's is that they won't stabilize the long target bullets that are most desireable for longrange shooting.

12-02-2009, 12:08 PM
Yeah I know none of the twist are optimal for these rifles but by the time he learns to be efficient at further ranges maybe he will be able to upgrade and with the .243 he can change calibers if he wishes. Yeah im explaining all this to him and hes getting quite excited a EGW 20 moa should be perfect. Ill make sure to post the progress of this rifle his dad will be giving him the money in 2 weeks time so we have a little while to browse around.

12-02-2009, 12:14 PM
Marlin XS7. Best bang for the buck.