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OliveDrab
11-29-2009, 4:42 PM
i want to get a light and mount for my AR, but its hard to spend $350+ for a surefire.

i know "you get what you pay for"

is there another manufacturer that makes weapon lights that are quality without the super high costs?

thanks
Rich

IrishPirate
11-29-2009, 4:49 PM
crimson trace is coming out with one that looks good. think it's a laser, light, foregrip combo...think it's expensive though. Ebay, Amazon, and Craigslist should all have some.

this is what i use on my 12ga

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/cookie5_12/048-1.jpg

guncrazy17
11-29-2009, 4:50 PM
I use a SF G2 Nitrolon ($35) and a Malkoff M60 ($50) and it is 235+ lumens and a cheaper HSLD weaponlight. Oh, and a Vikings Tactical mount ($20).

zombieflanders
11-29-2009, 5:00 PM
You dont need to spend $350 for a quality light. I run a surefire g2l light, which runs around $60 if I remember correctly. I upgraded the lamp to a cree drop in led from tactical night vision. http://tnvc.com/items/illumination_tools/q5_lamp.html

Output has increased from 80 lumens to 220 lumens. Let me tell you, this sucker is super bright! Blinding! I can light up a house at 100 yrds easy. I own several high end tactical flashlights, and this is now my go to set up. Mounted to my boon stick with this viking tactics mount
http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_vtac_lightmount.html
all in all, Ive got about $110 into this set up. Its a very high quality, cost efective way to go. And Vic at tnvc is a great guy. He took all kinds of time to answer my noob night vision questions. Good Luck!

Oh, sorry, I dont know how to make the lonks hot...

Lucky Scott
11-29-2009, 5:05 PM
Irish Pirate, Where the heck did you get that bracket.
I want one!

or three or four, or.......

akjunkie
11-29-2009, 5:06 PM
i want to get a light and mount for my AR, but its hard to spend $350+ for a surefire.

i know "you get what you pay for"

is there another manufacturer that makes weapon lights that are quality without the super high costs?

thanks
Rich

PM sent.

Seesm
11-29-2009, 5:07 PM
Fenix kits (I am setting up as a dealer with them as we speak) has cheap great working kits with more lumins than some high end surefires... Complete kits are like $100 or so bucks were as surefire woudl be $350 and up.

IrishPirate
11-29-2009, 5:10 PM
Irish Pirate, Where the heck did you get that bracket.
I want one!

or three or four, or.......

We Pirates tend to be crafty people. And a few rounds of Guinness in an Irishman is like gasoline in a thinking tank for a genius machine.....

came with my mossberg 500 field/security combo. It just secured the barrels together for shipping in the box so i figured it'd work as my white light holder until i can get the tacticool package i want :)

Gregchico
11-29-2009, 5:21 PM
http://www.primaryarms.com/product.sc?productId=40&categoryId=11

I have it and really like it. I put it in a LaRue QR mount and can move it quickly between rifles/shotguns.

glock_this
11-29-2009, 5:26 PM
I use a Solarforce CREE R2 (290 Lumens) Strike Flashlight w/ QD Lever Mount & 2 switch options off of eBay in the +- $100 range + mount. I also could not justify a super high end light given the little use it gets but wanted to have an option on hand. I think you can see it in my first build link photos

cal3gunner
11-29-2009, 5:47 PM
You don't have to spend $350 to get a Surefire set up

I have the new Surefire E2D LED Defender with 200 lumens in a Vltor mount. With shipping I paid $99 for the set up. You don't need the scout light. Pressure switches are nice but I prefer the push button.

One thing I've learned is that a lot of light is not always the best thing. You get a lot of splash back from the light hitting walls which affects your own vision.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/cal3gunner/DSC_0008.jpg

tomd1584
11-29-2009, 5:54 PM
if you look on the right side there are Surefire flashlights and VTAC combos for less than $100.

http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_vtac_lightmount.html

vandal
11-29-2009, 6:04 PM
This.

I use a SF G2 Nitrolon ($35) and a Malkoff M60 ($50) and it is 235+ lumens and a cheaper HSLD weaponlight. Oh, and a Vikings Tactical mount ($20).

dchang0
11-29-2009, 6:07 PM
You dont need to spend $350 for a quality light. I run a surefire g2l light, which runs around $60 if I remember correctly. I upgraded the lamp to a cree drop in led from tactical night vision. http://tnvc.com/items/illumination_tools/q5_lamp.html

Output has increased from 80 lumens to 220 lumens. Let me tell you, this sucker is super bright! Blinding! I can light up a house at 100 yrds easy. I own several high end tactical flashlights, and this is now my go to set up. Mounted to my boon stick with this viking tactics mount
http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_vtac_lightmount.html
all in all, Ive got about $110 into this set up. Its a very high quality, cost efective way to go. And Vic at tnvc is a great guy. He took all kinds of time to answer my noob night vision questions. Good Luck!

Oh, sorry, I dont know how to make the lonks hot...

Excellent advice. I am running nearly the same setup--those CREE drop-in LEDs are awesome. It's a cheap setup, and at the last night rifle match, mine was one of only a few rifles that could light up the targets at 100yds. The guys who were having trouble were running pistol lights like the Streamlight TLR1 and Surefire X200/300/400 on their rifles.

SJgunguy24
11-29-2009, 6:15 PM
I'll tell you this set up is pretty sweet. It's el cheapo scope ring (10-20$ a set) and a LED lenser from home depot. (23.99$) I dropped this rifle a few times and the light keeps going. I ran 400 or so rounds and it deals with 7.62X39 recoil well. It's cheap, solid and reliable. I grab the mag and it's just like a surefire set up, the button is on the back and I use my thumb.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/001-7.jpg

cal3gunner
11-29-2009, 6:22 PM
Excellent advice. I am running nearly the same setup--those CREE drop-in LEDs are awesome. It's a cheap setup, and at the last night rifle match, mine was one of only a few rifles that could light up the targets at 100yds. The guys who were having trouble were running pistol lights like the Streamlight TLR1 and Surefire X200/300/400 on their rifles.

Where is this night rifle match you speak of? Info please

dchang0
11-29-2009, 6:24 PM
Where is this night rifle match you speak of? Info please

It was the LESA annual day+night match (pistol + rifle + shotgun) at West End Gun Club, near Lytle Creek. The night rifle stage was set up with 5 100+yd steel silhouette targets spaced maybe 25yds apart plus one really close paper IPSC target. We were given 20sec from a super-bright 4000-lumen lamp to engage the targets on the first pass, then all the rest of the stage (finish first pass, plus a second pass) was done with our weapon-mounted lights. Absolutely awesome

The rest of the stages were pistol+shotgun and were also extremely fun. No ambient light, etc., was allowed, so we were shooting in near total darkness.

SJgunguy24
11-29-2009, 6:26 PM
It was the LESA annual day+night match (pistol + rifle + shotgun) at West End Gun Club, near Lytle Creek.

You use IR flares and NVscopes?

dchang0
11-29-2009, 6:35 PM
You use IR flares and NVscopes?

LOL--we'd be disqualified if we had that sort of gear. It'd basically turn the night match into a day match!

cal3gunner
11-29-2009, 6:39 PM
I helped a guy zero a night vision scope on his new 6.8 upper this week. A rifle match that allowed night vision scopes would be fun

evidens83
11-29-2009, 6:41 PM
Everybody talks about lumens but what about a light that also functions as a "patrol" light? A weapon light that has a high lumens rating but not too bright that it blinds the ground when you're using it to light up your path. Plus at a lower setting it shouldnt use that much battery. Anybody know of what I'm describing?

SJgunguy24
11-29-2009, 6:54 PM
Everybody talks about lumens but what about a light that also functions as a "patrol" light? A weapon light that has a high lumens rating but not too bright that it blinds the ground when you're using it to light up your path. Plus at a lower setting it shouldnt use that much battery. Anybody know of what I'm describing?

That light I have is 90 lumins, a pretty good balance between "tactical" and useful. Uses aaa batteries too.

cal3gunner
11-29-2009, 6:56 PM
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cal3gunner
11-29-2009, 6:59 PM
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OliveDrab
11-29-2009, 7:01 PM
thank you guys for the quick responses! now i have some good choices to go about trying out!

cal3gunner
11-29-2009, 7:14 PM
If you want to go with quality but inexpensive, get the Sufefire G2 LED with either a Vltor mount or the Vtac mount.

80 lumens with easy to use switches.

akjunkie
11-29-2009, 7:36 PM
https://www.fenix-store.com/index.php?cPath=22_85

TK11
225 Lumens = 2.5 hrs
60 Lumens = TEN hours

http://www.light-reviews.com/fenix_tk11/

aplinker
11-29-2009, 7:50 PM
I've had two Fenix lights fail (sucks, cause I love them, but now I don't trust them).

My favorite set-up is the VTAC light/mount combo using what's essentially the scout set-up for much, much less.

Dual mode lights are too complex for weapon mounting, IMHO. Use two lights.

The G2LED is a good budget choice. I'm not a fan of the E2D - the rear "defensive" plate is not a good choice as it doesn't feel good when you miss. I try to avoid potential cuts.

SoCalRandy
11-29-2009, 7:52 PM
You could take a look at the Streamlight TLR-1? I just got the TLR-2 and I really like it!

http://www.botachtactical.com/sttrtali.html

sytfu_RR
11-29-2009, 7:53 PM
+1 for the VTAC mount, its inexpensive and very nice!

savasyn
11-29-2009, 8:01 PM
I shot that match as well. It was my first night match and I totally dug it!

I have to disagree about pistol lights not working on the rifle stage. I used a TRL-1 with fresh batteries on my AR and it was the brightest light in my squad. To my great surprise, I shot the stage clean faster than the other guys I was with and ended up coming in 4th overall on that stage(8th for the whole night match).

I'm sure a brighter light would have been nicer, but I was quite impressed with the output of the TRL-1. Best $99 light I know of!

It was the LESA annual day+night match (pistol + rifle + shotgun) at West End Gun Club, near Lytle Creek. The night rifle stage was set up with 5 100+yd steel silhouette targets spaced maybe 25yds apart plus one really close paper IPSC target. We were given 20sec from a super-bright 4000-lumen lamp to engage the targets on the first pass, then all the rest of the stage (finish first pass, plus a second pass) was done with our weapon-mounted lights. Absolutely awesome

The rest of the stages were pistol+shotgun and were also extremely fun. No ambient light, etc., was allowed, so we were shooting in near total darkness.

Reconsnake
11-29-2009, 8:16 PM
I will give you some first hand experience, take from it what you wish.

There is such a thing as too bright. Try a couple flashlights, ranging from 50 to 200 lumens. Then in the middle of the night, walk down your own pitch black hallway, and fire off those flashlights. A bright light, say from my experience, over 100 lumens, will reflect off the walls, and temporarily affect your own vision. Obviously, whatever your purpose for the light, should be your guide.

This ties in with what I just said, but I wouldn't necessarily go for the most inexpensive light; trusting my family's life to a $20 light, is not something I am willing to do. I have a specific purpose for the lights on my weapons, and utilizing those weapons and lights in a defensive manner, I do not want to afford a failure.

My recommendation is a quality light, with around 100 lumens. Should have a backup too; two is one, and one is none.

Awayman18
11-30-2009, 1:45 PM
And you need that light for room clearing and all that tactical stuff you do right?

Purple K
11-30-2009, 1:50 PM
I'm using the Pelican M6 LED with pressure switch from Pelican very successfully. Moderate cost with plenty of light output and great battery life.

God Bless The Mauser
11-30-2009, 2:21 PM
You dont need to spend $350 for a quality light. I run a surefire g2l light, which runs around $60 if I remember correctly. I upgraded the lamp to a cree drop in led from tactical night vision. http://tnvc.com/items/illumination_tools/q5_lamp.html



Whats the battery life you are getting out of the LED upgrade? I have a standard G2 and that thing really chews through batteries.

stix213
11-30-2009, 2:38 PM
This one is great:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WQHRRG/ref=ox_ya_oh_product

Its very bright, and the strobe seems to be possibly a useful feature if you are trying NOT to shoot someone breaking into your home. It is pretty disorienting.

Here is it mounted on my Saiga. I have the pressure switch for it on the bottom of my forward grip, with the switch for the green laser on the top.
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6462/saiga.jpg

aplinker
11-30-2009, 2:48 PM
I've heard strobes cause burglars to break out in dance.

nagorb
11-30-2009, 3:01 PM
We Pirates tend to be crafty people. And a few rounds of Guinness in an Irishman is like gasoline in a thinking tank for a genius machine.....

came with my mossberg 500 field/security combo. It just secured the barrels together for shipping in the box so i figured it'd work as my white light holder until i can get the tacticool package i want :)

:rofl2:

ar15barrels
11-30-2009, 3:04 PM
i want to get a light and mount for my AR, but its hard to spend $350+ for a surefire.

i know "you get what you pay for"

is there another manufacturer that makes weapon lights that are quality without the super high costs?

Get a Streamlight TLR-1.
You can find them for $80 on sale occaisionally.
Aluminum construction and it's designed to be weapon mounted.
I was hitting to 150yds a couple weeks ago at a night match.
Just keep fresh batteries in it for best performance.

Most handheld flashlights were not designed for weapons mounting so they don't have features in them to control battery movement during recoil.

OliveDrab
11-30-2009, 5:10 PM
Get a Streamlight TLR-1.
You can find them for $80 on sale occaisionally.
Aluminum construction and it's designed to be weapon mounted.
I was hitting to 150yds a couple weeks ago at a night match.
Just keep fresh batteries in it for best performance.

Most handheld flashlights were not designed for weapons mounting so they don't have features in them to control battery movement during recoil.

great point ill keep that in mind.

sevensix2x51
11-30-2009, 5:49 PM
Get a Streamlight TLR-1.
You can find them for $80 on sale occaisionally.
Aluminum construction and it's designed to be weapon mounted.
I was hitting to 150yds a couple weeks ago at a night match.
Just keep fresh batteries in it for best performance.

Most handheld flashlights were not designed for weapons mounting so they don't have features in them to control battery movement during recoil.

+1. i run a streamlight m3 on my ar15. it worked on my glock 21, and it works on the ar. i think insight makes the m3 now, but its probably still awesome, and they work well, whether you have a vfg or not. ive used it both ways. i just run it on whichever side my thumb rests. works great! and its much lighter than a flashlight and mount. my 2...

toaster
11-30-2009, 6:30 PM
http://www.light-reviews.com/fenix_tk11/

I have that light in a LaRue mount on my AR. So far I'm very pleased with the setup.

Satex
11-30-2009, 6:36 PM
Great advice, and Fenix now has a pressure switch tail cap for it. Great company, great products without have to pay for the S name.


https://www.fenix-store.com/index.php?cPath=22_85

TK11
225 Lumens = 2.5 hrs
60 Lumens = TEN hours

http://www.light-reviews.com/fenix_tk11/

J_Rock
11-30-2009, 8:40 PM
Surefire G2L + mount
$89.00

http://www.vikingtactics.com/pop-lmc_G2L.html

gunsnrovers
11-30-2009, 8:55 PM
Get a Streamlight TLR-1.
You can find them for $80 on sale occaisionally.
Aluminum construction and it's designed to be weapon mounted.
I was hitting to 150yds a couple weeks ago at a night match.
Just keep fresh batteries in it for best performance.

Most handheld flashlights were not designed for weapons mounting so they don't have features in them to control battery movement during recoil.

Run these on my AR's and I'm very happy with them. Get the newer C4 version.

aermotor
12-01-2009, 12:19 AM
Fenix PD30 – Solid, priced well, bright as F! 235 Lumens, 4.5" long, 2oz., around $65

OliveDrab
12-01-2009, 4:09 PM
anyone have experience with the streamlight tlr-3?

im leaning to the tlr-1 or a fenix with a viking tactics mount

ar15barrels
12-01-2009, 4:16 PM
anyone have experience with the streamlight tlr-3?

I would not buy a single battery light.
Also, I think it's considerably cheapened (plastic housing) compared to the TLR-1 and TLR-2 with metal housings.

Sinestr
12-01-2009, 7:23 PM
I'm running a Olight M20, seems to be a great light so far, need some more field time to see how it holds up. Picked the light and the mount up at a gun show for around $100 bucks. They also make a pressure switch.
http://www.tacticalleds.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=OLIGHT%2DM20&Show=TechSpecs

OliveDrab
12-27-2009, 4:24 PM
I have that light in a LaRue mount on my AR. So far I'm very pleased with the setup.

im glad to hear that light works with the larue mount. i decided to go find a quality light that works with a larue mount. what size mounting rings did you use?

car15
12-27-2009, 4:57 PM
i want to get a light and mount for my AR, but its hard to spend $350+ for a surefire.

i know "you get what you pay for"

is there another manufacturer that makes weapon lights that are quality without the super high costs?

thanks
Rich

How about used ?


http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=43229

xibunkrlilkidsx
12-27-2009, 5:00 PM
I'll tell you this set up is pretty sweet. It's el cheapo scope ring (10-20$ a set) and a LED lenser from home depot. (23.99$) I dropped this rifle a few times and the light keeps going. I ran 400 or so rounds and it deals with 7.62X39 recoil well. It's cheap, solid and reliable. I grab the mag and it's just like a surefire set up, the button is on the back and I use my thumb.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/SJgunguy24/001-7.jpg

I have that light. it really is a bright SOB. it works well in the house. blinded my dad a few times when he would get off early nad not tell me. The light is made by Coast. *goes to find extra rings to mount on my ar*

Edit:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/GimpyVision/Guns%20and%20knives/Picture109.jpg
works pretty well. right spot to where i can just use my thumb and tap the light on/off with out having to move my grip.

OliveDrab
12-27-2009, 6:37 PM
How about used ?


http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=43229

that is an awsome deal! thanks i just ordered a fenix tk11 r2, im going to check it out, if i dont like it i will return it and give the surplus lights a shot!

may even buy one for the hell of it.
thanks again