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achmeds_dead
11-29-2009, 1:05 PM
Hi everyone,
This is my first posting here.
My wife and I are newer gun enthusiasts.
We have owned our handgun for many years, but recently we have really gotten the "Bug" and have purchased a few new toys as of late.
We all live in the socialist state of California and have to deal with the crap from our elected officials daily...
So the reason for our post,
Wife and I are pushing around the thought of buying a (Romanian) AK-47 for ourselves for Christmas.
We are looking for advice for our purchase.
Bear with the length of this:
I have seen all kinds of websites that have them for sale.
Even sites where you can purchase the kit, minus the receiver.
Can we do this and easily buy the receiver later? Hence building our own?
Are they legal in Cali?
I understand the 10 round mag restriction along with the magazine release button issue.
We are steering to the AK because of price.
The M-1 Garand as well as the M-16 sound great but the price is twice the AK.
Also, ammo is a consideration, (price and availability) we have our .22lr, so looking for a larger caliber.
We are looking for a semi-auto rifle basically, along with a tactical looking profile.
Appreciate all advise for us!
Remember, we have to start our 10 day period soon to make the holiday!!:gunsmilie:

gn3hz3ku1*
11-29-2009, 1:18 PM
where do you live? we can then steer you to a great vendor

achmeds_dead
11-29-2009, 1:21 PM
Hemet, CA

thefinger
11-29-2009, 1:22 PM
If you keep your eye out on the forums it shouldn't be too hard to find an M1 Garand in the $500-600 range. And since it is C&R ("antique firearm") it can be purchased without going through a dealer if you buy it face-to-face.

The AK looks cheap online, but remember it will cost you the online price (~$450), plus your dealer's transfer fee (~$60), plus the cost of the bullet-button you want (~$35), plus shipping(~$25). So you're looking at almost $600 after all is said-and-done. Plus shipping and waiting period both take time.

An AR15-type rifle can be built by a novice such as yourself for under $700. And you can buy it in pieces easily. A rifle kit from Del-ton Inc. will only set you back about $500, and you can get that without going through a dealer. Then all you'll need is a stripped lower receiver, which can be had for about $100, plus $25 DROS fee, plus $30 for a bullet-button.

Buying an AK parts kit online is probably a bad idea for you, unless you have someone to help you assemble it. It is MUCH more difficult to assemble an AK rifle from an old parts kit than it is to put together an AR15.

If you want the Romanian AK, then go for it. But don't settle on it because you think the others are out-of-reach financially. You can have an AR15 for about $100 more than the AK, and you can probably snatch an M1 Garand for a little less.

1xoutlaw
11-29-2009, 1:40 PM
the romanian WASR-10 is a great rifle and im sure a few more will turn up on the private firearm classified section.. I wouldnt build one unless you are good with your hands in building things, because its not as simple as putting together a AR15... assembling the wasr-10 (ak47) is much more difficult and if you took it to a gunsmith they would charge you an arm and leg. You can make the AK california compliant by using the 10 round magazine with a mag lock or go featureless, replace the pistol grip with a solar tactical kydex grip which turns the AK from a assult weapon to a rifle. Using the kydex grip sleeve you can now use 30 round magazines without a mag lock :)

Rukus
11-29-2009, 1:48 PM
Using the kydex grip sleeve you can now use 30 round magazines without a mag lock :)

Remember you can only use standard/hicap mags in your featureless rifle if you owned them here in CA prior to Jan. 1 2000.

It DOES NOT mean that just by going featureless that you can buy rebuild kits and assemble them for use in your new build.

Lucky Scott
11-29-2009, 2:18 PM
Check these guys out.
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/

They are a sponsor here at Calguns and will ship a california friendly version to your FFL. I have never done business with them, but do plan on making a purchase with them after I get a couple credit cards paid off.

Under 800 bucks for california friendly version, but you still have to pay the FFL and the DROS.

Also, there is a gun store out towards you in riverside called coldwar shooters.
I have heard good things about them and they may have something you would like.

Also, try Ammo Bros in Ontario if you get that far west. Great store and they also may have something you would be interested in.

Good Luck and Merry Christmas!

achmeds_dead
11-29-2009, 2:23 PM
Great info!
Keep em' coming.
"The finger" you are right, I do consider all the additional crap that goes with it. A local purchase would be nice for sure.
I am quite mechanical, and would love to "build" one, but do not want to buy the wrong parts, etc. So I think I'd stay away from that thought for now, maybe in the next visit to a gun show :D I could start a build for a AR!
"1xoutlaw" Great advise on that issue too!
Keep em' coming gang!

ENTHUSIAST
11-29-2009, 2:48 PM
Get a WASR great first AK and GREAT prices on them now as was mentioned (under $499) for an AK that will last you for ever how can you go wrong! :)

I like to go higher quality on my ARs just get an LMT complete lower (under $500) and buy a Colt 6920 upper (Under $999) and you have yourself a REAL Mil-SPEC AR-15 that will not have the possible quality issues of a Del-ton kit build.

Then you can just buy a .22lt conversion kit with a Black Dog mag ($199) and shoot .22LR out of your AR and now you have two rifles in one AR-15 and AR-22!!! :)

Around 999 with a DEL-TON/Spike's build for 2 calibers in one BUDGET rifle.

Around 1699 with a COLT/LMT/Spike's build for 2 calibers in one QUALITY rifle. :yes:

jaustin612
11-29-2009, 6:17 PM
I'm a big fan of the ak platform, they are rediculously reliable, and ammo is generally about half the price of good brass ammo for the AR.

With that being said though, A good amount of AKs are imported by Century Arms Imports. Their quality control is a bit, iffy. When you get the rifle in your hands, make sure it cycles right, and also, look down the sights and make sure nothing is canted to one side or another.

The one I bought has a serious cant to the barrel, the whole damn thing goes off to the right. Like I said earlier though, just make sure you take a good look at it before you buy it.

If you really want to step it up, look for Any AK thats built by Arsenal, theyre based out of vegas and have some top notch stuff.

jdogg2000
11-29-2009, 7:10 PM
I'm a big fan of the ak platform, they are rediculously reliable, and ammo is generally about half the price of good brass ammo for the AR.

With that being said though, A good amount of AKs are imported by Century Arms Imports. Their quality control is a bit, iffy. When you get the rifle in your hands, make sure it cycles right, and also, look down the sights and make sure nothing is canted to one side or another.

The one I bought has a serious cant to the barrel, the whole damn thing goes off to the right. Like I said earlier though, just make sure you take a good look at it before you buy it.

If you really want to step it up, look for Any AK thats built by Arsenal, theyre based out of vegas and have some top notch stuff.

I second that. For just a little more, you can get an Arsenal AK now. The prices have gone up slightly since the recent $499 deals, but $559 (at Atlantic) is still significantly cheaper than what these were going for not too long ago... I had to take advantage of the $499 deal, here it is...

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fP72_yZL4Yk/SxND7F2vGwI/AAAAAAAAAc4/pS-6BYma_gM/s800/DSC_1708.jpg

achmeds_dead
11-29-2009, 7:12 PM
38915

Anyone hear of these guys in Idaho?
If I understand it right, the company is Shooters Wholesale.
Great collection of guns and seem very reasonable for all the options provided!
This set up is $897.00
I know it's not legal here, but we can dream can't we?
They say the build one at a time, so awaiting a reply to my question to them about Cali.

Here's the link:
http://bit.ly/7o6a1D

Jpach
11-29-2009, 7:27 PM
Actually, if its not a listed AW then we can have it here in CA. It just needs to have a mag lock, the stock pinned, or the stock can fold if the overall length when folded is at least 30".

Or you could make it featureless

Donkeypunch0420
11-29-2009, 9:09 PM
If you're looking to go a more hassle-free route, Turners has an AK variant built by I.O. Inc. It's basically a Romanian build with an American receiver, barrel, trigger group, and a few other American parts. The sale price was $599, I was out the door at about $682. You will be able to find them cheaper, but again, this is the hassle-free route. From what i've read, some shooters are actually getting 1 - 2 inch groups with it at 100 yards. That's pretty impressive for an AK style rifle. I picked one up, it will be my first AK, but mainly because i'm not all that handy when it comes to stuff. I'll leave the building for later.

Fot
11-29-2009, 9:53 PM
Suprised this wasn't bombed with just buy an AR posts yet.

I bought a Saiga and converted it. I like to tinker with things and found it fun. Built it how I wanted. With all the recent price dropping (post Obama scare) prices are coming back. IF I did another AK I would buy one complete.

achmeds_dead
11-30-2009, 6:28 PM
Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
You have given me some direction.
I am confident on the decision to buy a AK.
I am not so hot on the idea of not buying an american made firearm, but if I buy right there are US made versions.
I have had to google a few terms you have referred to:rolleyes:
But that's why we're here so we can learn!
Any more thoughts are sure welcome especially for new purchase contacts in southern Cal. like Turners, etc.

Quiet
11-30-2009, 6:32 PM
Hemet?

Go to Bright Spot Pawn in Riverside. They are off the 60fwy.
They can help you figure out and get what you want.

The "US made" AK variants are not 100% US made. They just have enough parts to no longer be considered foreign made.

NovaTodd
11-30-2009, 7:31 PM
Hemet?

Go to Bright Spot Pawn in Riverside. They are off the 60fwy.
They can help you figure out and get what you want.

The "US made" AK variants are not 100% US made. They just have enough parts to no longer be considered foreign made.

Beat me to it. Chris and Dan will take care of you and get you what you want.
You might try Centerfire in Riverside as well. They were starting to some of the AK variants (VZ58 ?? I'm not real familiar with all the AK variants) the last time I was in there.
Ammo Bros in Ontario also was starting to carry some rifles as well. They aren't too far from Bright Spot.

titus7
11-30-2009, 8:36 PM
So between the Arsenal, WASR, and Atlantic Arms which one would be the best one to get and do any of you know which ones cold war carries?

ENTHUSIAST
12-01-2009, 4:49 AM
So between the Arsenal, WASR, and Atlantic Arms which one would be the best one to get and do any of you know which ones cold war carries?

Arsenal is the BEST of the the choices you listed VERY high quality fit and finish one of the AK brands that are known as the BEST of the BEST. They build some of their AKs off Russian recievers and then Arsenal adds the required US parts for 922r compliance.


WASR is the most "ROUGH" in terms of quality of fit and finish. They are VERY common and are usually the go to AK if you are looking for a CHEAP AK that has the looks and reliability that the AK platform is known for. They are made in Romania and Century adds the required US parts for 922r compliance .


Dont know much about the Atlantic Arms AKs except that they are US made AKs bulit probably on an NDS reciever nothing special just a mid-range American AK.

Coldwar carries WASR for sure but dont pay over $499. before Tax & DROS for one because they can be found ALL over the place for less than 500 bucks now...

Hope this helps,
-ENTHUSIAST